That's a terrible way to view it AND run a wargame.
Jose Anderson
I need a cheap to build and collect army for 1000pts games. Something that can be based on bigger boxes like start collecting or skirmish box. Right now I'm torn between >Seraphon cheap as fuck but I'm worried about knights and warriors kits quality >BCW really like models and lore but they are very hard to fit into 1000pts list. Don't want to buy boxes just to put half of models on the shelf >Nurgle Daemons cheap and easy to paint but I heard they are really boring to play >Nighthaunt probably the easiest faction to paint and their new box is a great way to build an army but they have nearly no lore background
Which one should I pick?
Alexander Bennett
Warherd.
Robert Roberts
>The third post and someone is already shitposting
Angel Foster
It isn't really shitposting. Warherd is only really viable at 1000 points where it actually does quite well. Plus, the Bloodfeast Gorgers is a quick and easy box that gets the army started. Buy 2, get a Doombull or two, and you're good to go.
David Walker
>nighthaunt >easy to paint
maybe if you want your army to look like shit
Andrew Lee
Are Soul Grinders any good??
Blake Walker
yeah they're awesome, strictly better in khorne/tzeentch because battletraits and bloodsecrator but still cool
Dominic Evans
imo warherd, get a couple of the new box and then a doombull
Carson Ramirez
What about Slaves to Darkness? They are fairly easy to paint, great bundles and offer a great variety, since you can switch between 6 different allegiances if you wish so.
Carson Ward
Corsairs look great for the new death allegiance, what would you Proxy them as
Easton Cooper
No this user but he is somehow right desu. I'm grateful that you wanted to recommend this faction but I actually listed one from each grand alliance because I'm sure I want one among them - I'm just not sure which one would fit my requirements best
Brayden Young
Nothing, because there are no Death units that have a real nautical theme to them. I guess the closest would be a few hundred as Zombies with Corpse Cart boats.
John Parker
See StD seem to be a neat faction but I would play them only if mixed with nurgle daemons so I think it's better to actually stick with mono daemons for synergy
Owen James
Skeleton vikings? Just grab more axes and put meme horns on helmets
Jack Gutierrez
I really hope they release some like foot vampires for Soulblight some time. Would be amazing.
Thomas Nelson
Proxy Dark Elf pirates as vampire pirates
Camden Peterson
use pheonix guard as foot pires
Jack Scott
This looks like my kind of thread.
Luis Gray
That would be great if they shared any sort of allegiance or, you know, was a unit.
Gabriel Reyes
>open play and narrative play don't exist
why are you even here
Brayden Moore
>two memes of a format played by children who make sounds effects when their cannons fire and when their musicians doot-doot
Luis Gonzalez
>Loremaster who has the same iconography and general look to Greatswords is of a different order then Greatswords who are Eldric counsel did they hand classifications out randomly?
Charles Gutierrez
>who make sounds effects when their cannons fire and when their musicians doot-doot If you don't do this you are an autist first order who has forgotten to have fun.
Brody Flores
Are you retarded? Loremaster is Eldrich Council - same as Swordmasters
Dylan Cruz
Wow I misread his labeling. I thought it said a completely different "Council" type.
Hunter Brown
I guess I didnt realize Welsh, tricorned, peg legged pirates were the only kind of pirates that exist. Though aristocratic, powder-wigged vampire captains with literal skeleton crews would be awesome as fuck if GW could actually get off their lazy ass and make some.
Eli Miller
>Welsh
Pirates are stereotypically from the west country, Devon and Cornwall, not Wales.
Colton Hughes
...You know, you aren't wrong. Might have to see about getting some skellington crews, use some spare Redcoat sprues I've got and see about doing something like that. Wonder what to use the rules for that, though. Deathrattle core with some Soublight assistance? Zombies with Corpse Cart Longboats?
Hudson Jones
Deathrattle seems like your best bet, yeah, though a Longship Coven Throne could be amusing.
Aiden Gonzalez
Soulblight Flyers could be like valkyries
Wyatt James
>vampire pirates
its literally nothing, just a repack of existing models with extra rules bloat for a shitty campaign that no one cares about.
Evan James
>releasing new death when you can have new stormcast instead Get a load of this guy
Lucas Rivera
It's not fair.
Jaxson Perez
>THEY DO NOT BELONG TO SIGMAR
So on the matter of Stormcast souls, who is in the wrong?
James Reyes
>Muh death wahhhhhhh >gets new models, new rules a bunch of fucking focus >Meanwhile Aelves have been completely untouched for years Entitled shits.
Jason Perry
If they wanted to fully flesh it out as a faction it'd be cool of it were mechanically akin to the KO release, with decayed wooden ships/boats borne aloft on spectral waves. Ferrying troops around and firing cannons.
Gabriel Long
At this point, I want Nagash to make Deathcast just to have something.
Brayden Foster
>gets new models, new rules a bunch of fucking focus
Fucking when have we gotten new models, and 'new rules,' you mean fucking FEC?
Yeah, Aelves got the short end of the stick too, but at least its not an ENTIRE GRAND ALLIANCE.
Camden Moore
Ghostly skyships to rival those of the KO would be amusing.
Grayson Miller
>You mean those new models and new rules we got? That doesn't count! really gets the old nogger joggin
Hudson Gray
...where do Valkyries fit in with "aristocratic, powder-wigged vampire captains with literal skeleton crews"?
Fair enough. A Wight King Captain, a Vampire Lord Captain, gajillions of skeletons with a heavy sprinkling of tricorn hats and doorags, and a gaudy Mortis Engine boat. I'd prefer it to the Coven Throne mostly just for the sake of the heal/wound ability. Wonder how best to distinguish Grave Guard from Skeleton Warriors, though. Obvious they'd have cutlasses instead of boarding pikes. The thing that always holds me back is the lack of any real ranged support. I guess since I'd just be generic Death though, I could still use some of the Tomb King ranged options like a catapult in the place of a cannon.
Pic related.
>implying that will actually happen It'd be neat, but instead it's just a pair of rules and a single sentence of fluff.
Cooper Hill
There literally wasn't any new models in FEC, fuckwit. They were reboxes of old models.
Samuel Gonzalez
Again, what new models?
Robert Lopez
I heard longships so was thinking Norse.
Lincoln Wright
Don't listen to these schmucks, embrace your inner Machiavelli, embrace Tzeentch.
Liam Taylor
Ah, that was the other user. I was just talking about longboats, using during the Age of Sail as landing craft and for carrying boarding parties. Part of the reason I was almost considering Zombies over Skeletons, to have a reason to pump out a bunch of longboats. Pity that even a Mortis Engine would probably too big for even a small corvette. Maybe a cutter, though.
Angel White
Sigmar is obviously in the wrong. They established a Pantheon yet Sigmar is stealing what rightfully belongs to Nagash
Leo Thomas
Did you know that some theories of Hashut claim that it's just an aspect of Tzeentch?
Daniel Jackson
Can somebody please check my math?
I'm running a statistical analysis comparing Doomflayer Gauntlets and Shock Gauntlets assuming 3 stormfiends are wielding them.
3 Stormfiends wielding doomflayer guantlets make an average of 11.99 attacks leading to 7.99 hits and 5.33 wounds. Factoring their rend to save values they cause (on average) 10.67 damage to 6+ saves 10.67 damage to 5+ saves 8.89 damage to 4+ saves 7.11 damage to 3+ saves 5.33 damage to 2+ saves 3.55 damage to 1+ saves
Where as shock gauntlets make 12 attacks and average 10.99 successful hits leading to 7.33 wounds, suffered wounds get really weird though
High rolling multiple exploding hits with the shock gauntlets skews the average up because I'm getting
16.67 damage to 6+ saves 13.89 damage to 5+ saves 11.11 damage to 4+ saves 8.33 damage to 3+ saves 5.55 damage to 2+ saves 2.78 damage to 1+ saves
I know there's an user on here running 3x Ratling, 3x Warpflame and 3x Doomflayer so I was wondering if he knew something I didn't because I'm certain that shock gauntlets are objectively better, and that's before you factor in +1 to hit buffs causing shock gauntlets to generate an average of 20 hits per 12 attacks (because 5+s will cause D6 hits instead of one hit) and then the shock gauntlets are just absurd.
Christopher Powell
Sadly, Tomb Kings can't get the trait else they'd be an interestion option
Eli Hughes
Oh, fuck, I'd completely forgotten to look at who can even get it. Just SB, DR, NH, and DM. So that even rules out the Corpse Carts and Zombies, too.
Levi Collins
All sentience and all existence is an aspect of Tzeentch.
Bentley Wright
Sigmar and Nagash. Souls are the provenance of the Chaos Gods.
Landon Harris
Do orcs have souls? If so, who do they go to?
Logan Murphy
>this useless ass shit >meanwhile Stormfags get to kill their enemies without even attacking
Samuel Jenkins
>he still didn't get AoS main purpose
Jose Jones
About the current most predomominant topic, when will be realeased the so romured Deathrattle Battletome?
Caleb Campbell
How's my list. Lord of Change 300pts Tzaangor Shaman 160pts
As soon as the finally update those outdated Stormcast models. It's been at least two years so they need to update em.
Christopher Hall
That isn't rumored at all.
Joshua Stewart
Hey you gits, can I get some thoughts on my list for a 1500 tournament?
Megaboss on Maw Krusha (General) >-1 Rend Artifact >D3 Inspiring Presence Trait
Moonclan Grot Shaman
Warchanter
10 'Ard Boyz >Bravery Banner >Drum
10 'Ard Boyz >Bravery Banner >Drum
10x Brutes with Gore Hackas >2x Gore Choppas >Boss with Claw
3x Gore Gruntas
1480/1500
Tyler Murphy
It was not that long ago
Guess it was just fake then
Justin Lopez
Needs more skyfires.
Adam Hall
Only a zoggin' grot would use a shooty thing instead of a choppa like a proppa ork.
Dylan Russell
But you aren't a orc/ork
Julian Hughes
>upset that models die >doesn't even realize that order just shoves everyone off objectives, shoves people out of combat to 2v1 or 3v1 units >shoves their way past chaff units
Jason Campbell
Dat's where you iz wrong, kiddo.
Zachary Richardson
But I am right
Luis Kelly
Fucking Christ how is this even remotely ok
Jose Jackson
>playtested
Kevin Nelson
it isn't, if anyone tries to use anvil battle trait against you tell them to eat your whole ass
Xavier Moore
Which one do you think would make the most viable High Aelve army? Swift hawk, order Draconis or Eldric Counsel?
Wyatt Miller
>Swift hawk, order Draconis or Eldric Counsel? Neither.of them.
Jonathan Harris
So then which one would you suggest?
Jordan Phillips
play order, use swordmasters, wardens, spireguard, etc
just buy spire dawns until they go out of stock
Samuel Wright
>So then which one would you suggest? Stormcasts
Ryan Gonzalez
Seriously can you just get ranged banned already or fuck off?
Xavier Gutierrez
For what?
Blake Morales
For le ebin slavposting.
Juan Brooks
stormcast is objectively better than high elf though
Eli Russell
Where?
Aaron Barnes
But I don't want to play stormcast if I fucking wanted to play stormcast I would ask hey what Stormcast units should I buy but I fucking didn't so lol buy stormcast doesn't help me nor does it advance the conversation, its just shitposting because you fag is still butthurt about stormcast.
Connor Morgan
ok well listen to me, buy spire dawn until you go broke
William Morris
>But I don't want to play stormcast Then wait for aelves army
David Ward
I mean I plan to but I also find some of the other theme'd factions pretty cool. I guess they are just straight up not worth using or no ones played with them at all.
I wish silver helms were still around. Like to buy.
Chase Davis
they're not factions dude
they're parts of an army from whfb which now is nothing
the mini-sub-faction meme is actual garbage
William Sanders
>Don't listen to these schmucks, embrace your inner Machiavelli, embrace Tzeentch. That. Lord of Change + Start Collecting.
Jack Hill
what the fugg why are there two general threads?
Brody Rivera
Anybody got an idea on how to make Tzeentch Viable in Skirmish?
Aaron Kelly
max acolytes
Anthony Thompson
Then play Wanderers. Or Stormcast.
Parker Smith
I will find you.
Luis Thompson
You'd have an easier time finding me if you had a very good movement gimmick for outflanking/deepstriking. Y'know. Like the Wanderer allegiance gives you! Also available with a superior Stormcast army.
Jacob Rodriguez
Gorkamorka
Daniel Walker
Swift hawk. Skycutters are pretty good. Check out Warhammer weekly for a list.
Whatever you are lacking you can always ally the other elves in.
Angel Diaz
Why them?
Tyler Rivera
classic mordheim strategy, roll more dice = more chances to succeeed
Brayden White
Wales was a common pirate home as well, since most cities are coastal.