Advanced Alien Civilizations do not exist.
Any and all alien life in creation is either in the early stages of life or a basic level civilization.
Humans are the only important race in the galaxy.
Proof: If a truly advanced civilisation existed we would have seen proof of them by now, there can't be an alien civilization that is K1 yet.
this is why they call it science fiction, user.
>humans are the only important race in the galaxy
false. Humans are not important either. We haven't had as large an impact on our own biosphere as Cyanobacteria.
>if advanced aliens existed, we would have seen proof
What would be proof? How would we know it when we saw it?
A frog doesn't know humans exist. At best, an individual frog sees a thing that they don't know what it is.
>claiming a bunch of shit you can't possibly know like a religious person
"humans as a precursor race" is a well known trope among scientists OP.
>Proof: If a truly advanced civilisation existed we would have seen proof of them by now, there can't be an alien civilization that is K1 yet.
We could easily miss a K2 civilization if it was more than a few hundred light years away, let alone a K1 one. Hell, there are a lot of features that COULD be signs of K2 civilizations and we're just not able to tell them apart from natural phenomena.
whatever happened to that dumb "dyson sphere" everyone was wanking about?
Well, if by "life" you mean "something that has the same premice and evolved more or less in the same way as life on planet earth", yeah, there is a chance that you're right. But the thing is, there is actually no problem of having another kind of "life" that we wouldn't even be able to understand. Also, what happens if you have civilizations that use a completely different system as their technology ? Not better or worst, just completely different ?
Also, defines "important"... That doesn't make sense
Go look up the Fermi Paradox. This has been discussed to death.
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Consider yourself dead faggot
Any good video explanations on the fermi paradox? I hate reading so need youtube videos to teach me science
t. Not OP, OP seems like a cool guy and im a loser
the aliens are long dead but their creations are still building their dyson sphere
We might simply lack the means to detect them, we, at our current stage of technology would have difficulty detecting our own homeworld, this, combined with possible rarity of alien civilizations means we might simply lack any means of detecting them.
This is a good pop science vid on it-
Able to generate radio waves or not, I'm pretty sure if hibernating kaiju aliens started dropping on Earth at random they would be "important".
Instead of aliens giving us the warp drive, if animals able to live in the vacuum of space wound up in our solar system the things we'd be able to learn from their bodies would probably advance us to the point of better space travel.
not much. No ayy lmaos
the aliens are hiding
based issac comes to the rescue
What if it's a non-sentient organism/colony adapted to space conditions? Megastructures are not necessarily a product of technology
Let's say it's a star-parasitic plant photosynthetizing light to feed its biological processes and growth
scientists still don't know shit
If you're talking about the weird light readings from a star, they actually kickstarted funding to do further observations of the dips. They're regularly sending out updates on the readings as they come. It's pretty neat to have tossed money at some thing like this, even if I'm pretty sure it'll come to nothing. But it cost me less than a cup of coffee to help do something sci-fi, so that aint a bad thing.
there's also proof that getting adaptive neural network systems that can operate and evolve at 10000000000000000 times your own speed is the most efficient and dangerous way to get what you want.
we're in an isolated simulation. we are an isolated chemical of potential in some slug-time god's greater plan...
we operate short sighted. but what if we could see what's coming? what if we could overcome being the chemical?
Unless someone with sufficiently advanced technology gave them help, that seems very nearly impossible. Unfiltered starlight is pretty toxic and creating dyson-structures is pretty tricky even WITH advanced technology.
But you know, that's just based on what we know of Earth's life.
There was some kind of fungi eating out the windows of the MIR space station from outside, now imagine a whole planetoid/asteroid swarm coated in such organism growing and aggregating other planetoids as colture ground
>In 1988, Russian cosmonauts noticed that something from outer space was growing on the outside window of the Mir space station. It was alive, forming a thick living mat, and growing so quickly, that it soon became difficult to see outside. But even more frightening: It was eating its way through the window's titanium quartz surface and was trying to get inside. Later, Natalia Novikova, a Russian microbiologist, determined that this living, pulsating, mass of tissue was fungus; fungi from space
also there are a bunch of creatures able to "survive" in space, in particular those able to trigger cryptobiosis and essentially turn inorganic until the right conditions reanimate them
Dyson structures don't have to completely surround a star to be useful. Just making a wall of solar panels too small to affect the star's light would still generate a massive amount of useful energy. Even a 1/10000 Dyson ring would be retardedly massive.
Is this real? I thought we didn't have alien life yet.
I don't think it was alien though, it was earth life that happened to be able to survive in space.
Counterpoint: there's an eventual plateau of technological development, and humans are already close to that plateau. The reason we've never detected alien civilizations is because they're approximately as hard to detect as we ourselves would be to observers in another solar system.
No. The Mir did have a lot of microbiology in it though. They found a basketball sized chunk of free-floating filth water behind a rarely opened maintenance panel, and that thing was teeming with life. Actually sterilizing things is difficult in space. Even the ISS has grown mold from time to time.
Its wasnt alien. It was Earth microbes that thrived in space.
Lots of bacteria fucking LOVES space radiation. Its a real problem.
Advanced aliens have existed, and do exist.
They are either now extinct or are too far away to observe.
It is the fate of spacefaring races to find a bunch of young worlds with no intilligent life, a few old worlds with the bones of ancient empires, and no one in the same technological window as they are. 150,000 years later, a new race finds the bones of YOUR civilization and so on.
>Proof: If a truly advanced civilisation existed we would have seen proof of them by now
You vastly overestimate our ability to detect shit. The dot in the picture here is the furthest extent of our radio waves. If somebody was trying to detect *us* using such things, there would be no chance beyond it. Even within it, there's no guarantee, and the further the radio bubble expands, the more diffuse it becomes. It's a tiny fraction of our galaxy, and there are trillions of galaxies. So what you're doing is a bit like concluding that there are no insects on the planet Earth because you just looked down and didn't see any on your left shoe.
Oh god that's so sad.
>user pitches an idea
>instead of considering or expanding upon it anons shit on it
Great thread, good to see imagination is fucking dead on this bored.
he wasn't pitching an idea, he was making an argument. an idea wouldn't need "proof".
Four lines describing half of something anyone with an interest in sci-fi already knows is not 'an idea'. It's painfully obvious bollocks.
Alternative theory: we are the equivalent of that dude that smells like spoiled mayonnaise and leaves vaguely brown wet marks on plastic chairs when he sits on them but assumes no one will play 40k with him because they are all tourists who only play > 7th edition.
If you want a really good one search up isaac Arthur. He has a series based on diffrent aspects of the Fermi paradox.
He didn't pitch an idea, he just made a bunch of inane statements and then claimed them to be facts.
>user pitches an idea
>instead of discussing how it could make for a fun setting anons shit on it
It wasn't supposed to be irl fact, but instead an idea and point for a setting.
Then you did a fucking awful job of expressing it
Ya gota agree. He didn't pitch an idea, he made a challenge for people to prove him wrong
related to Traditional Games how????????
95% of the universe is made up of Dark Matter or Dark Energy, which is matter or energy that must exist, but we can't account for.
A K1, K2, or K3 civilization is defined by its ability to control and contain vast amounts of energy and material.
Aliens are alien, and as such don't interact with the universe in a way analogous to us.
Conclusion: Most of the material and energy in the universe is being used by alien races, which we can't perceive because we're looking for space ships and radio waves and other stuff aliens don't use.
>Veeky Forums can no longer have threads as a springboard for setting creation
>user pitches
>Anons shit
What other things do Anons do? Do they eat dinner? Go to sleep?
Sure it can. They just need to not be really shittily written.
What part of OP suggests that he's trying to do that, exactly? Apart from the fact that he's on the wrong board, that is.
OP presented his thread as as logical argument about real universe, no hint of fishing for ideas in a fictional universe
you people have to stop offering the benefit of the doubt to offtopic threads, shitposters sniff it out and thats why we have bullshit alignment/philosophy arguments
We belong to the first wave of intelligence in the universe. The evidence is that we dont see galaxies acting weirdly. We dont see galaxies becoming infrared due Dyson Sphere construction. We dont see aliens changing the orbit of entire star systems changing the shape of other galaxies. We dont see them moving the entire galaxy closer to their superclusters to colonize even more galaxies or have more resouces. The universe at large is depressingly natural, and we wont even be able to reach most of it before they are lost beyond the edge of the universe.
Potential explanation: The universe is still young. It took a significant portion of its existence before life on Earth had life complex enough to be even multi-cellular. Most planets with life are likely to be still dominated by unicellular lifeforms. Meanwhile, early outliers, more rare due the lack of heavier elements, would have been wiped out by the violent era of gamma burst. Our star is bigger than average for its class. In fact, it's possible the be the too size for planets with potential to spawn a technoloical civilization. Any bigger, and the planet becomes barren long before we leave the oceans. Planets orbiting Red Dwarf will take even longer due getting less energy and likely tidal locked. With this in mind, the Fermi paradox oly applies for the las million years an it is more of a question of: why are we the first?
It's not just a matter of detecting things. It would take a million years or so to colonize the galaxy which is nothing for the universe. We would see alien ships and probes right in our own system and have colonies all over the place.
>It took a significant portion of its existence before life on Earth had life complex enough to be even multi-cellular.
Earth itself is relatively young. There doesn't seem to be any reason why a star system a billion years older couldn't host life-bearing planet or planets - there are certainly stars of age that are sufficiently metal-rich.
>It would take a million years or so to colonize the galaxy
On what basis? Without FTL travel, colonization might not be feasible at all. Even with FTL, it might not be worth it. Just because a civilization has the technology to do something doesn't mean it will do it.
The OP set humanity up as the pinnacle of civilization, but colonization of all corners of our galaxy is far beyond us. You could be well beyond us and not even be an interstellar civilization. And even if we were the only advanced civilization in our galaxy, there are a ridiculous number of other galaxies.
They would be extinct due gamma burst and the violent era of quasars. Much more common in the early universe. An hypothesis exist that one of the earliest exctinctions was due a gamma burst and life on Earth was lucky enough to survive.
In astronomycal terms, Eath is early. It belongs to the first 8% of all Earth-like planets that will ever exist.
Why is the Homo Sapiens the only member of the Homo genus to ha e survived? It is very rare that only one member of an entire genus survived. Could ot be that human-level intelligence is not that useful and exist on the edge of extinction before it discovers fire? Most animals dont need human-level intelligence to avoid predators.
Anyone could colonize the galaxy with a bunch of self-replicating seeder ships. You dont need FTL or anything fancy.
Hypothesis: This a zoo and there's a massive Dyson Sphere tricking us into thinking that we are alone beyond the Oort cloud.
Who fucking cares what OP's intent was?
Seriously, if he'd picked a more interesting picture of a space babe, we'd just ignore his post and bitch about how much whatever show she came from sucked.
So, what's it hurt us to think of a 'Humans are the Elder Statesmen of space' setting?
Given that the galaxies are drifting apart so fast that they'll soon be unobservable, does that mean that most life that develops will have no idea how fast the universe actually is?
We evolved first because we came up with sex and viruses first. Other planets are too prude.
>Who fucking cares what OP's intent was?
If his intent doesn't matter, only the content matters. The content is very clearly about real world, not some new and interesting setting.
There will be a time when the entire universe will be nothing but eternal darkness and our local group, fused into a single supergalaxy, will be the only object in the observable universe.
>Why is the Homo Sapiens the only member of the Homo genus to ha e survived?
Honestly? We murderfucked almost all our subspecies out of existence, and the others were limited region adaptations that couldn't spread and eventually collapsed. We are a horny, murdery species.
>In astronomycal terms, Eath is early. It belongs to the first 8% of all Earth-like planets that will ever exist.
That just reinforces my point, unless you think there won't be any new Earth-like planets a few hundred million years from now.
Even with ftl, a single solar system has so much space that there's almost no reason to go further. We could fit every single living human on Earth into a very, very tiny area and still have room to shove a few more. Build vertically, and sky's literally the limit. And that's just one planet. Add in other solid planets, moons, large asteroids, and an arbitrary amount of space station and there is no practical reason to leave the solar system even thousands of generations after you start trying to colonize it.
>Why is the Homo Sapiens the only member of the Homo genus to ha e survived? It is very rare that only one member of an entire genus survived. Could ot be that human-level intelligence is not that useful and exist on the edge of extinction before it discovers fire?
Homo Sapiens and MAYBE Neanderthalis are the only members of Homo and Australopithecus with human-level intelligence.
Not that guy, but the OP and their post is not the dictator of what the thread is. At best, they're a seed.
While you're at it, you should also learn some about the Great Filter, which conveniently is discussed in the sequel to that video:
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Does that technically mean that the universe is theoretically even larger than we know? Is that why we use the phrase 'observable universe' - because we lack the ability to know if there's more beyond it?
(Sorry if that's a ridiculously basic question.)
The flipside of us always taking all the bait all the time is that any thread can suddenly become worthwhile.
>Does that technically mean that the universe is theoretically even larger than we know?
Undoubtely. Therw may be even evidence for it if the Dark Flow is not a statistical fluke. All the galaxies in the universe seem to have been influenced by significant amount of mass in their early eras that is now outside the the observable universe.
I bet there is also a "great ancient" flow moving around gigaclusters of universal bubbles
Truly mindfucking, we are living in a Gurren Lagann finale-tier reality
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