Warhammer 40k general /40kg/

is wrong
>Steel Legion Infantry double their rapid fire at 18" instead of half range
>Steel Legion Vehicles treat AP -1 as AP 0

AN MILITARUM BOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAARRRRRRRR

>tfw everyone has already forgotten about your faction
>tfw your not over powered trash like the IG
I dunno. On one hand, I'm pretty happy with our update, and at least we aren't 7th Edition Ork or Eldar tier. On the other, I'm a bit miffed we didn't get any new units, didn't get a skitarii HQ, nor did the Dominus get a buff or point cut. Oh well.

That doesn't make any sense for my army at all. It's a mechanized infantry list all about driving up to things in transports, unloading, and rapid firing in their face. We don't need a longer range, we need cheaper or better chimeras so that you aren't a complete retard not taking tauroxen instead.

Also: brrrrrrrrrrrrtttttttt

>2 year old new army wants new stuff

cogboy pls.

>I'm a bit miffed we didn't get any new units
Because GW doesn't make new models
On the otherhand...
>Hey! Here's how to make a Grand Master NDK and a Commissar Leman Russ!

Nobody ever pays attention to AdMech. Even in 7th where they were undiluted bullshit with the best infantry in the game, the most retarded HQ outside of Guilliman and the single most broken formation in the game that required an FAQ that shot every army in the game in the foot just to counter it, people still considered it a chill faction with nice players.

Probably because unlike Tau and Guard most AdMechfags actually are chill. Fuck Sydonians though. In 7th, now, and forever.

Transports that are more survivable does help you out.

Also we don't know their Stratagem or unique Order.

if the imperium didn't put unnecessary logos and stuff on everyone and everything they could make a dyson sphere out of metal for the human part of the galaxy

>Dark Eldar's named character list gets annihilated because most have no models
>Hey, these other guys have no models but here's rules for them! And here's how to build them too!

honestly, those are both shit compared to what the other regiments are getting

>Hey! Here's how to make a Grand Master NDK and a Commissar Leman Russ!
Post links to the GMNDK conversion guide.
Post links to the Commissar Russ conversion guide inb4 a link to FW's tank Commissar

>undiluted bullshit with the best infantry in the game, the most retarded HQ outside of Guilliman and the single most broken formation
could you explain? nobody played ad mech in 7th here

Guys true general here
Migrate

don't worry my fellow commoraghite. We will have our codex soon. And then We'll get Mandrakes galore, and wyches that can hurt stuff...

>Grand Master NDK
FUCK that monstrosity.
Anyone who plays one of those filthy little weaklings has no right to call themselves my battlebrother.
Real men need no stupid-ass robot to fight demons.
Real men need nothing but their steel, true grit and faith in their brothers and the Emperor.
Faggots get cucked.

Dare i say this is the most balanced edition? All regiment bonuses sound really good and its hard to choose.

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It was in the relevant copy of White Dwarf.
There might be a similar thing in the issue nearest to the IG release.

Not that it's difficult, take a Commissar and shove him inside the turret. Done.

I don't think there's an STC for that, boy.

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a battle station so big it encompasses the universe

lol, a thread so shit it gets ignored twice in a row.

convert shit to make it look better cogboy

Don't you and your boys have a heroic last stand to be making somewhere Dorn?

besides the 3 vindicators strat is it useful for anything realy?

I kind of like it as a t8 escort for characters or something

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A battlestation big enough to encompass the universe, with galaxy-sized gothic spires and trillions of slaves just to move a single shell, big enough to obliterate large swathes of other universes?
Quick, get me some servitors!

Yeah, compare them to, for example, Word Bearers, who re-roll morale.

Lololol. Most balanced edition.

What Markerlight effects would you add to Septs, assuming they came with the Codex (like Orders for IG)? Too low in the ML table and the comparable range of effects is weaksauce (reroll 1, ignore cover), too high (to equal the +1 to hit) and it's still mostly useless because 5 ML hits on one unit are borderline impossible to get.

So in keeping with ML being debuffs to the unit hit or more accurately, buffs to those shooting at them, what might we expect? Reroll 1s to wound, extra range, unit-specific stronger buffs (Rail Rifles and HRR give MWs on 5s), ect?

AAAAARRRRRRGGHHHHHHH

Shut it, fleshbag

I was really hoping we'd get a Skitarii Primus or something, kind of like the Space Marine Lts. Instead we got the shitty as fuck Engiseer. What the fuck, GW.

True; one guy at my flgs remembers how broken War Convo. was. Still, we didn't have transports nor anyway of going up the field, aside from hitching rides or footslogging

>and the single most broken formation in the game
Wait, I did not know admech got the same formation that gave space marines free vehicles out the ass. How did I miss that?

>trillions
You mean 10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^99 slaves to move a single shell, right?

Not him, but free wargear, upgrades and no Gets Hot! was pretty good

have faith

>infantry
Vanguard got Scout for being in the Skitarii Maniple, and had Relentless as standard. They were T3 4+ save 6+ FNP, reasonable given they cost 9 ppm, though more durable than FWs and Guardians, competing Troops choices with the same price.
But their guns were retarded. 6s are autowounds? Sure. Oh they cause two wounds when they do this? Fuck off. A couple of squads of them, buffed by the then-insane Doctrinas, could take down a Wraithknight in a single turn. This on top of their -1 T in melee debuff, which lowered the threshold for Instant Death and made them excellent escorts for any stompy Imperial character. God help you if the fag also brought an Inquisitor with rad grenades.

>HQ
Cawl was basically like he is now in 8th, except it was 7th edition. Regenerate d3 wounds per turn? Fuck you. Rerollable 5+ FNP? FUCK YOU. He literally never died, and at the same time was a Dominus+ for buffs. All that for 200 points made him basically an autoinclude. You would just decline games if he was brought in the WarConvo, which leads me to...

>broken formation
War Convocation. It made all wargear choices free, including relics, and removed Gets Hot, which coincidentally were the only two things holding back plasma calivers from being completely fucking retarded. People took 90 point Vanguard squads fully loaded with wargear and shoved them in drop pods, breaking the game to such a degree that the man who was the world #1 player for a good time in 7th played it, even after the FAQ that forbade transport sharing.

Free wargear amounted to more free points than Gladius and it was far more killy too. When Dante's Used Pod Emporium was still in business the list was unbeatable, even by Eldar.

It gave them free equipment and weapons out the ass.

No, they got the Formation that gave them every single piece of wargear, every upgrade, every Relic, for free, and also made them immune to Gets Hot, and also shared all their buffs among every unit.

I love AdMech but WarConvo was horseshit.

I already do that to the best of my ability, sempai.

Anyone that claims that guard is op is a faggot butthurt Waac gamer.

Rerolling morale is much more actually useful than +1 str to all units, user. All the top tournament chaos lists have been word bearers for a reason.

...and top-of-the-line equipment designed and made specifically for them and kept from any other Imperial unit, boatloads of psychic power, Inquisitorial backing, premium intelligence and the Emperor's own geneseed, with a bit of author fiat for good measure.

You must have not noticed it due all the free wargear theý were getting.

That might work too.

>Guard was already the WAAC faction
>Got stronger across the board
>Everyone who points that out (which should be literally everyone with eyes and a brain who doesn't play Guard) is somehow the WAAC tho

Internal balance, for IG? Sure. External balance? Fuck no. Internal balance for other factions? Try playing R&H without Malefic Lord spam or Tau without Commander spam.

woah

just woah

Okay bois, now tell me what you think the most FUN army to play is and which one you think is the most FUN to play against

I need a second army, I play Orkz but they're quite direct as far as how you play them and I'm at the point I need some variety

guard

Why mods just don't delete this?

What will the dark eldar codex give us?

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That's why the space marine one with free razorback/drop pods often 500+ points worth won lost all the GT's while admech won every single one, right?

Deldar

AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHH

Honestly the difference in the amount of love and care put into the IG codex and shit like the AdMech codex is palpable. Best pray to the dice gods that whoever writes your codex is the IG writer and not the AdMech writer.

>most fun to play
Deldar
>most fun to fight
All dreadnoughts

Casual reminder all the faggots who said Guard would have a regiment with -1 to hit from over 12" away are now BTFO.

forge world FAQ for the forge world tanks where

That is significantly bigger than the universe.

>casual
indeed they must have said it casually or even satirically unlike you mr. seriouspants

You realize the top player in the entire world played AdMech WarConvo, right?

It was the most powerful list. It was, however, also not auto-pilot, it actually required thinking, which is why the best player was able to take advantage of its high skill ceiling but it didn't overwhelm tournaments in huge numbers.

you guys are literally factory workers, and skitarii are just glorified security gaurds. you shouldnt even be a real army, so be thankful you have models to play with

Literally never, stop running pay2win garbage with your already WAAC army.

The gets hot was always highly touted as OP, but no fucker on earth used Plasma culverins over heavy grav and you could only get 6 plasma calivers maximum in a War Convo list.

Also, you would only get 5 characters in that list, with the fixed 4 Skittles squad leaders and the 1 tech dom you could afford (Until Cawl came along and you stopped taking one at all). So the relic spam was limited.

The free wargear only really affected the skittles Vanguard and Ranger squads, the Onager unit and the Kastelans. Most of the other wargear in the list was sidegrades.

It's the army wide canticles that was absolute bullshit, 2+ all round in cover first turn was filthy.

Guard is only army with alternative infantry miniatures. So get fucked everyone. You only need to change a color of your marine/ork/tautard to get different bonus.

I'd like to run a 7 quad-Fusion Commander list against an all Dread list.

>being this retarded

>not wanting to create a battlestation with that has that more slaves than a universe has atoms to drag one of the countless multiverse-sized shells to optimal firing postion
Are you a pleb?

> t. plays Orks or Guard

Guard lost most of their special characters, hell we just lost Creed

Id play it. My list is 9 dreads, a techie on a bike, and a thunderfire cannon

You can still take Creed from index, even if you are playing by the codex.

i have about 8000 points orks, and 1500 guard. how did you know?

I'm gonna use a different Hive Fleet Tactic literally every game I play and no one can stop me, lol.

Before Guard 3/3 codices with Tactics had this.

I'm kinda sad we lost Creed. I mostly took him for the extra order, but I'm sure there will be a warlord trait gives that anyway

>Our subfactions get excellent flavor with their own miniature ranges to go with their awesome rules.
>If you don't like the bunch that already out there are tons of options to kitbash and customize, we'll even give you some examples to get you rolling
>This is a bad thing because it makes it harder for me to WAACfag into whichever regiment gives me the best bonuses at the time

Gee I wonder why people don't like Guardfags.

TAU GET OUT, TANKRED DEMANDS IT

Wait do we know all the doctrines now? Is there a summary somewhere?

>lumping us all in with the WAACniggers who only just hopped into our camp because Guard is good
Well that hardly seems fair.

And every smart person said it would stop at the horde army Codexes, didn't they?

Didn't they, my friend?

It's literally just conscripts and HWTs you fruit

>mfw I managed to kill Cawl with a Haruspex in 7th
That was a glorious day.

Nobody cares to. That is, till Nid codex drops and if FLG weren't talking out their asses it'll make 7th Taudar look like 7th Deldar.

Unless it's like what happened with Smash 4 that in playtesting they said Samus was OP so by the time release came she ahd been nerfed into dogshit.

Yes... Feel the pain we Eldarfags have endured for all of 6th and 7th.

post it

make a wish tankred

Some are here: Steel Legion is also mentioned in the thread, just ctrl+F

The rest have been officially previewed.

I was in the livestream when the author of the codex said these things so I can confirm they're not bullshit.

Russ is the best tank in the game.
Manticore is the best Artillery.
Guardsmen are the best troop choice.
Tempestus is the best deep strike unit.
Taurox is the best transport/light vehicle.
Scout Sentinel is the best tie up unit.
Conscripts are the best screen.
Bullgryn are the best heavy melee.

So I suppose having the best of everything outside of flyers and LoW means most balanced?
>most playtested ever