/HHG/ Horus Heresy General

The fluff. Primarch wankery, HHNNNGGGG

Fluff that has some logic behind it. Not saying it's Masterpiece Theater, but it's not Saturday morning cartoon-tier like 40k currently is. I've never been a space marine kind of guy (actually hated how much attention they always got) but it's still a better setting.

Also the more realistic look to it. You don't see as many clean and shiny marines in 30k - weathering is encouraged.

>Also the more realistic look to it. You don't see as many clean and shiny marines in 30k - weathering is encouraged.
this
every 30k army ive seen is grungy and dirty and i LOVE it

I want to run 3 Telemon Dreadnoughts in my army.

Someone convince me this is a bad idea.

It's not, and I will love you forever if you can make a Custodes army that looks like Ornstein.

My space dad could beat up your space dad.

The fluff draws me to the game, unlike 40K where the game draws me to the fluff.

The fluff is great, especially the novel series. It has it's low and high points, but the original trilogy do a great job of understanding why everyone is doing what they're doing.

I've shown my normie friends the Horus Heresy Novels, and with no knowledge of 40K, they've gotten hooked.

That picture can't be real. I refuse to believe there's a fucking lion mount for the custodes.

This picture only makes me realize, with crippling sadness, that the Custodes share so much in common with the Sigmarines.

Which makes it surprising that GW hasn't pushed Custodes in 40k much harder. The Talons of the Emperor box was a remarkably low-effort release.

Don't pretend you haven't looked at the weedy semi-demigryphs things that sigmarines ride and pictured a squad of Custards on them.

Yep.
Making an army from a single box.
Lazy bitches from GW just added Land Raider and ugly contemptor from calth. Custodes and SoS in 40k had such great potential but GW screwed it by doing nothing.

The second Custodes can take Jetbikes on their HQ’s I’m doing it.

It’s going to be great.

It's not real. The guy just makes neat fanart. Though it's obvious the dracoth mounts kinda was used as a base for the lion.
Stormcast are kinda cool. Not Custodes cool, but still pretty cool.

I love this dude’s art.

>shield plus spear tribunes going four times as fast with T6

Yeah, lots of cool shit, but his tank designs are really weird. The retarded hover-Wiesel is probably the best, but it's still pretty awkward.

>some dipshit on deviantart has more and better ideas than the entire FW team managed to scrape together in a year
>he also basically delivers ideas on how to develop on them from existing models
Just end it already...

Any nice arts for cute soulless girls?

Fluff and miniature collecting. I haven't played since 3rd edition. Married life and my gun habit slowed shit down.

He must've drawn that tank after FW revealed their first Custodes vehicle; before that, we all thought they'd have grav-Rhinos. But I like his style.

>actually liking this
>while bitching about FW

It was cars for me, and home ownership (neverending repairs). Have a kid now, but that time comes out of a) sleep and b) all the extra hours I used to put it at work that never paid off anyway. Hobby time is... well, it's not zero. I'm hoping to ramp it up soon. Gathering bits so my WS infantry look appropriately non-uniform.

>you will never be chained down and sexually dominated by three tall, leather-clad Sisters of Silence whose Pariah gene creeps you out.

Why live?

>not wanting to be chained down and sexually dominated by three tall, leather-clad Custodes who don't even need Pariah gene to creep you out.

Yes, FW has really been producing quality work for the custodes lately, right?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

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I actually really love the gunship. It’s super intense and bizarre.

Too straight for that shit.

I am sure someone wants to power bottom to Constantin Valdor though.

You do you, man, but be aware that you have shit taste.

It's not enough. If it was more stylized, like Aquila Lander style "feathers" on the wings, not having Custodes skimmer engines, and making the hull more imposing.

I like the Emperor's Marital Aid the SoS have a lot. It's straight up bizarre and imposingly alien. Something you'd see in Lynch's Dune or something, made with super SCIENCE! and arcane majicks from a forbidden time in history. Terran tech from the DAoT needs more of that, less space Cadillacs.

I don't see what's not to like? Jetpack custodes with lances? That's awesome. Custodes cavalry riding lions? Even better. Battleautomata for custodes use? Excellent.
I'd rather have that than the decidedly mediocre Aquilon or the garbage Orion.

Custodes are about 8 feet tall and they likely have a pint of testosterone in their blood, I think in comparison you wouldn't be gay for having sex with one, you'd be a girl.

I like how the Custodes vehicles suggest that we used to learn things from the Eldar, but still with a typically human lack of finesse.

No accounting for taste, I guess, but for me the Orion makes the grave mistake of matchin neither of the custodes' established design lines. It does not have the same sleek elegance their vehicles and jetbikes otherwise have, nor does it match the infantry or the walkers in terms of blinged-out opulence.

>Jetpack custodes with lances?

Which look like Stormcast Eternals had a golden baby with Grey Knights.

>Custodes cavalry riding lions?

I bet you love Thunderwolves as well.

>Battleautomata for custodes use?

Using Martian stuff? Not canon.

You also forgot their tiny headed Indomitus terminators and FW style hover go-kart.

>Stormcast mixed with GK
They look nothing like either of the things you mentioned. The closest visual would be probably custodes having a baby with shadow spectres.
>thunderwolves
Super-heavy cavalry in general is cool. I'd love space marines on horseback just as much, provided the horses are appropriately huge.
>not canon
Okay, but neither were hovertanks that weren't grav-rhinos and look where we are now.

It's like if the Scimitar Jetbike and a Razorback had a Liger-like illegitimate child.

Anyone else play Epic30k?

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I will when the cunts stop delaying it.

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You mean Adeptus Titanicus. FW said they don't plan on ever revisiting Epic.

Cute

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Doesn't FW usually post a new release on Monday and then actually release something Friday nowadays? I don't recall seeing anything this week. I wish they would be transparent again.

Where did you get that user?

Not him, but they're underground copies that are hard to get unless the caster knows you well in the Epic forums because everyone's scared of GW. There were a few C&Ds in the past. And that's why every attempt at an Epic thread fails, because they're 20% people posting photos of minis no one can buy, 70% posts asking where to buy them, and 10% posts complaining about people posting pictures of minis no one can buy. Epic Armageddon's a great game system though. I wouldn't say that the fanmade 30k version is better, because the larger formations make consecutive activations more powerful and that can get annoying.

Next year we'll get Titanicus and the casters will probably make the same minis in the new scale. And no one will be able to buy them.

New preorders are fridays, they don't always preview something on Monday.

Nah, casters aren't gonna bother upscaling their range. Besides I can use my forumware Titans with Adeptus Titanicus rules just fine.

What the forumware people will actually do is see what FW comes up with for AT and just make them in 6mm so it actually scales fine with people's Epic armies instead of forcing people to collect 8mm like FW is idiotically doing.

Fluff.
30k is better written and more grimdark than 40k(herohammer since 5th edition).
Also models are nice.
I don't play game but i heard that 30k was better much balanced than 40k in 7th and even with 18/20 factions are marines is more diversed than current 40k.

30k have much more customization options with marines, mechanicum and imperial army than 40k with all its imperial armies and xenos.
If you want your imperial army dudes can be warriors from ferral world or geneechanced soldiers with advanced bionic or warp cultists and many more.
Each of 18 legions is diferend despite all being space marines.
Mechanicum is awesome, you can have many robots types, tech-priests, vehicles, your magos can be whatever type of magos you want.
I like 30k because it have shittons of options.

I won't agree with "more diverse than 40k," but it does work better. It's kinda crazy how many rules each legion gets. That level of detail gives them each a ton of character. And then you've got rites of war that let you take a very wide variety of armies without any of them being as ridiculous as in 7th and 8th edition 40k. There's still a force org chart.

There's a lot of Epic minis one can 3D print. Some of them are 30K too.

>I won't agree with "more diverse than 40k,"
Pound for pound (or army for army as the case may be) 40k is WAAAAAYYYY more diverse than 30k.

Any word on the future of 30k? Been wanting to get into it but heard releases are being slowed down to a crawl...

Next book is probably out in 2019 but there's so much already out that unless you want to play BA/DA/WS there's no reason to wait.

What fire arcs do Warlord's weapons have?

First it was late this year, then it was Christmas next year, now its 2019? Where do you guys even get your info from

Open Day events

It's currently Christmas next year. user is just assuming (not without reason) that it'll get pushed back again. Even a week's delay from Christmas 2018 would put it in 2019.

There's a rulebook coming out "soon". It went to the printers weeks ago, so it really should be soon by normal people's standards. If it actually answers any of the questions the 30k community keeps coming up with, then we'll know FW is alive and well.

Other than that, expect old units without models to come out, and vehicle doors, and legion-specific praetors. There really is a backlog of units without models.

It's kind of a good time to start because you won't get distracted by the new shiny thing - happens all the time when releases are regular.

In that way, that's a draw for me. It's less "Let's show off every single corner of the universe," but more "Let's zoom all the way in and show just what the humans are doing and give each of them small, yet completely game-changing differences."

>There's still a force org chart.

They could fix 40k over night if they had the balls to stick to this shit.

8th has force org charts though.

Yeah, dozens of them, which makes the concept of a force org chart pointless.

Heavy support squads can take suspensor send for 10/15 points Each? Nice boost or turbo cheese?

Fluff all the way. Like others have mentioned, I will never say that the BL series or fluff out of the rulebooks is literary gold. But I consider it much better than anything that GW itself has been putting out in the past, say, 10 years. While I'll admit that I was originally a xenos player, and in 40k I can't stand the massive amount of SM wank, in 30k it has a much different vibe. It is the mythic age to 40k's modern era, a time when gods walked among men and titanic battles were waged that would go down in legend.

Probably cheese for the cheaper heavy weapons, but not too bad when you're already paying 40 points for a lascannon guy.

forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Downloads/Legio Custodes Orion Assault Dropship.pdf

Custodes have literally everything now. RIP

At least it's a LoW, so no this plus titan or any such other thing.

Custodes have no weaknesses now. Except maybe a titan.

Does Forgeworld ever plan to make 8e stats for all those custodes/sisters of silence stuff they've made for Horus Heresy?

Probably when they update the whole of HH to 8th edition. So never basically.

And hordes. And flyers. And heavy gunlines.
But, sure, let's doomsay.

Sure, right after they make rules for their AdMEch stuff. Oh, wait...

It's a undergunned transport that costs a shitload of points for an army that always struggles to get enough models on the field.
It's one saving grace, Assault Vehicle, is excellent, but not enough to make me want to field one.

>undergunned
>8 S8 shots or 2 S10 AP1 Exoshock
>6 S7 rending shots
>6 S6 shots
Sure it lacks D or a large blast but it's not exactly undergunned

For over 600 fucking points it sure as shit is undergunned.

got a 'real' one in the post from Z

will it be a pile of crap or actually a good cast... only time will tell

That's a bit disappointing. I'd love to run a terran force (SOB, SoS and Custodes) but support for the various groups is split between 8e and HH.

>You mean Adeptus Titanicus. FW said they don't plan on ever revisiting Epic.

They really should not have reused the Adeptus Titanicus name for an entirely different game in a different scale.

>What the forumware people will actually do is see what FW comes up with for AT and just make them in 6mm

But will FW actually make new designs? It seems like they're just slavishly converting their 28mm designs into 8mm ones, and there won't be anything new if they keep on doing that.

What upgrade would you like to see on a unit, either legion specific or general?

>vets can take jump packs

Destroyers get access to power weapons. Maybe one per three guys plus one on the sarge?

Something about a bunch of destroyers with power axes gets me hard.

They’ve already talked about bringing out Titan classes that were only ever mentioned in fluff like the Nightgaunt class Titan and you can be they’ll do Oreo Sinister psytitans