/stg/ Star Trek General

No one knows but the more reasonable of us believe they stock tanks of various atomic matter. Especially since they need those for various scientific feats they pull off during the series, like particle dumps and such.

In one of the early episodes we saw a room full of replicators where people were making clothes and gifts for themselves and others. I suspect they're fabricators, given how much energy it takes to replicate a teddy bear out of nothing.

It takes it's mass in antimatter PLUS inefficiency losses, so yeah it's pretty fucking energy intensive.

Transporters aren't all that bad.
Though a very nifty piece of technology, stopping them from working is as easy as closing a door or disrupting communications so you can't get a lock on their location.

They don't necessarily have to be made out of nothing. The could be using a stock material of matter and recombining the atoms into something else.

Fuck you.

t. Bajoran

*Angry gull noises ensue.

This is really funnier then it should be.

Hatoful Cardassian

...

Transporters not working through shields is a pretty satisfactory limitation most of the time. Though sometimes there are advanced/special transporters that can go through shields and no one ever thinks to just send a bomb with those.

I made this just for you /stg/.

To those who play Star Trek Adventures, does the Klingon Brak'lul ability apply to weapons/attacks with specifically the Non-Lethal Quality, or attacks that are just set to nonlethal damage like phasers on stun?

So, I came here looking for Star Trek Adventures materials, trying to see if the game is something I can get my friends to play... the link up top to the Playtest Materials leads to a "folder not found" message.

Am I out of luck?

My interpretation is that it's any attack that is set to non-lethal damage. Meaning that unless you declare your attack as lethal, the Klingon NPC in question gets the resistance.

Your best bet is grabbing the free quickstart package from DriveThruRPG

Drop your discord or email and I'll sort you out.

Wow, 3 threads in a row, No one's life is harder than yours.

>lost

But there's all sorts of times that you'll want to put characters in a place and relieve them of ship-based options that don't involve shields and stuff. Then you have to start adding in complications that may or may not be consistent.

And then there's just the stuff like why are they not using transporters constantly for the myriad other things that happened with them.

I've always explained it away as mass limitations; it's not that the ship can't beam up more, but the more and more you beam up the less and less likely you are to get a solid signal lock, so for really large loads they need shuttles or something.

Check the PDF thread.

>with that base being 5 days away works out somewhere like 1000 light-years for a rough estimate

Maybe. About 10 light years per hour is said to be the Orville's maximum speed; it probably doesn't cruise at that speed very often if it can avoid it, for the same reason that the Enterprise doesn't constantly cruise around at Warp 9.

PHASED TACHYON PULSE CONVERSION-FUCKWAVE EMITTERS

You're forgetting the fact that even in Star Trek the transporter technically kills you. Also that replicators don't flawlessly copy materials, just get it close enough.

I've said it before but one big thing I'd want to change up if I were to re-do Star Trek from the start for an alternative universe reboot or whatever, transporters would be a function of space-warping tech so they just make here and there much much closer, rather than disassemble/reassemble.

Because fuck all the implications of shit like transporter duplicates and regeneration and all that guff.

>Because fuck all the implications

There are no implications. Star Trek has adamantly taken the stance that the way the transporter works it moves you from one place to the next. You're the same person, you don't die. Any perception you have of it being different is due to the fact that you're some schmuck watching TV using 21st century knowledge, and thus have no idea how 23rd+ century technology works.

A Roman would be just as terrified of an airplane, or a camera.

One of the Barclay episodes shows that you're still cognizant during transport. So it seems to support the notion that you're still you and any transporter based consciousness fuckery is in the vast minority of cases.

Except what he's talking about, like transporter duplicates and regeneration, has actually happened in hard canon. So yes, you can effectively use the transporter to clone someone, or save a pattern of their younger self and restore them to it with no loss of memory so nobody dies of old age. That has a shit-ton of implications for what's possible with transporter tech if you extrapolate from what's shown on screen.

But there is no reason they should have happened. How the transporter works implies nothing since it's all imaginary.

That's what he's saying.

And yet somehow with the right application of fairy dust it can create full duplicates of people. That good/evil split of Kirk. The alternative Riker. It can also merge people like with Tuvix. It can be used to completely regenerate a person like when Pulaski got old, fast. Somehow the stream it can be broken out of like with the super-soldier.

That's the implications I'm on about.

Don't forget it also deactivates weapons, has a built in bacterial filter and get you can get stuck in the data stream for months (or 75 years) at a time and show up as creepy snake monsters to other people transporting.

One-in-a-billion chances which they aren't going to try to reproduce on anything living until tech makes it reliable in a century or so. Why it always happens to the Enterprise, that's the narrative.
Also Romulans would understand a camera but be aghast that anyone trusts airplanes.
When in doubt, it's unique, when asked why, it's quantum.

>It can be used to completely regenerate a person like when Pulaski got old
This is particularly troublesome, because there wasn't anything strange fucking with the transporter. They just decided to do it, after someone suggested it. And they talk about it like no one ever thought to use a transporter that way before. Then never mention it again, even though there's no apparent reason they couldn't do the same thing to treat any disease or injury.

They kinda did the same thing in reverse in Rascals. Even if you assume Pulaski was due to disease and the transporter biofilters filtered the disease and thus returned her to normal somehow, in Rascals they just reversed the process by using a previous copy of their transporter patterns, with no loss in memory. You could do the same thing repeatedly to keep someone from growing old indefinitely.

Here's the secret to Trek: if the episode isn't good enough to really stick with people, it's not _really_ canon.

That episode does also blatantly contradict DS9's claim that genetic enhancement is strictly banned in the Federation.

Pulaski was a Q. None of that shit actually worked.

I haven't seen the TNG ep you're talking about, but are you sure it's enhancement and not correcting genetic disease? Pretty sure that's allowed.

They made super-people.

Telepathic, Telekinetic, Terribly dressed super people.

There's banning regular people from doing it, and there's limited scale government projects where we take a minute to remind ourselves why we banned it.

youtube.com/watch?v=zThAELMw5a0
i guess Damar likes to drink in real life too

>even in Star Trek the transporter technically kills you
How is Philosophy 090 user?
But seriously, souls (or soul-analogs) are a thing in Trek, and they're transported too, apparently separately from the more physical parts.

Which Riker was the real one then?

Neither of them.

The second they started experiencing the world differently they became two different people.

>You're forgetting the fact that even in Star Trek the transporter technically kills you.

>Implying people aren't dying every time they fall asleep
user pls

So a couple of threads ago there was an argument over what happened to the military vessels of the Founding members of the Federation seeing as how we mostly see Starfleet vessels int he show. Now I know this is Beta canon but at the end of the Romulan War duology, it's given an explanation. T'Pau struggled the whole war with whether or not to join the fight and break with pacifist teachings of Surak. She eventually does at the every end but worries that this will cause long term damage to Vulcan culture in the end. To hammer home her commitment to peace she has the Vulcan Defense Force broken down and turned into materials for Earth Outposts along the Romulan Neutral Zone.

What about the Andorians?

It's not stated in the book. So I should have said a partial explanation

His pic states exactly that, silly.

My assumption was that those ships were just gradually phased out. When the Federation was new, Starfleet would have been a hodgepodge of the founding member's fleets. Then the next generation of new ships would be a fusion of tech from all four.

So in STA, each species has two talents they can pick from. What might those be for a Caitian? I already figured out their attributes should be +1 to Control, Daring, and Fitness.

This is also my thinking.

Reasoning being that the federation founder's own military fleets just became increasingly obsolete in the face of the advances they made as a whole. Whilst we know for certain that people like Vulcans got their own ships as well as serving in Star Fleet in general (actual canon from TOS and DS9 not beta-canon like the 'blue fleet' of the Andorians), we also know those were Star Fleet designs.

So by TOS at least it's fairly safe to assume that whilst there may have been a bunch of Vulcan, Andorian or Tellarite specific designs still hanging about (they'll have still all had their ship-building industries, the Andorian one at least is specifically confirmed in canon via bridge plaques iirc), almost anything important will be a Star Fleet vessel.

>You could do the same thing repeatedly to keep someone from growing old indefinitely.
I have read horrible fan fiction where people did just that.

Just started the next book in the Enterprise Series Rise of the Federation. It has some words to say about the happenings of the various fleets.
"Although the various space agencies of the UFP's five founding members still existed and oversaw their own ships and specialties within the combined fleet they jointly administered, they'd agreed they should adopt a common uniform with elements reflecting all it's member races."
So again Beta Canon and nothing definitive but interesting nonetheless. It then goes on to describe the new uniform if anyone is interested.

>UFP's five founding members
What's the 5th? Humans, Vulcans, Andorians, Tellerites, and. . . ?

At the end of the last book the 5 included the Draylaxians

There are a few sources that claim the Alpha Centaurians were the fifth founding member. No alpha canon though, alpha is only the four I believe.

Alpha Centauri were definitely a founding member but the line says "5 founding races" and the Alphas were human after all.

Nevermind I looked again it doesn't say that in the book at all

>Draylaxians
The only canon info about this species is that their women have three boobs.

Saurian. Gene said it was Saurian.

That's pretty much the only thing mentioned about them in the Beta canon books too.

This

Huh, was that in an interview or something? Memory Alpha isn't willing to say for sure that they're a Federation member, and Memory Beta says they joined in the 23rd century.

>that panel

Old computers used to be aesthetic as fuck

That has about as much to do with old computers as Brainiac.

Would there be any interest in playing (or watching) an STA game on Friday evenings aboard a Prometheus class? I'm looking to replace a failing D&D game with a completely different system that has players actually invested in roleplaying together instead of playing "how much dice can I roll?"

>boot up netflix
>star trek discovery

what the fuck! theres a new series? is it good?

Yes, depends on how well you can divorce the series from your Trekspectations.

No.

I'd be kind of interested in playing. Is this on Roll20 or something? I've got about 1400 hours of Roll20 under my belt with various game systems. It's all been text chat thought.

Yeah it'd be on roll20 and discord voice.

That's weird. I can't find it either and it used to be on memory alpha.

So 2pm?

2pm what? I'm EST
I'm not too crazy about the voice chat aspect of it.
I've been playing with a group of friends on roll20 since 2012. We've done 3e, 3.5e 5e D&D. Pahtfinder, Call of Cuthulu, Mutants and Masterminds, StarWars RPG, Feng Shui 2.0
Currently playing an All Flesh Must Be Eaten campaign with them every Wednesday.

>It then goes on to describe the new uniform if anyone is interested.
I am.

Watch Orville instead

Someone has apparently thrown together a mockup using the description in the book. It's pretty dead on.

Whoops

"Mayweather's black under-shirt sported a Vulcan-style Mandarin collar; over it was a V-necked tunic worn above a separate pair of black trousers and boots. Archer's own command-division tunic was an avocado green not unlike the command color of the Andorian Guard, while Mayweather's operation-division tunic was reddish-brown per Tellarite military convention. The lieutenant's rank insignia- a single gold stripe, as opposed to five alternating wide and narrow stripes for Archer- adorned each of his cuffs and shoulder straps. The shoulders were set off by a shallow chevron of gold fringed navy-blue piping extending from shoulder joints to mid-sternum, reflecting Vulcan designs from the twenty-first century. Below the piping, next to the vertical zipper of the left-hand tunic pocket, was the gold arrowhead insignia of the United Earth Space Probe Agency, the government department that administered Earth's Starfleet. To balance it, the mission patch , a circular blue field of stars behind a horizontal gold chevron, rather than a specific ship's design. "

>watch this discovery
>several movies worth of conflic in 2 episodes

What the FUCK am I watching

A pilot? Something that's not like other things (and so is bad I guess)?

>episode 3
>it turned into Aliens

I don't even know what to say

What I mean is, it might be a legitimate concern in the Orville. I can see conservatives wanting human transportation banned, and I can see that resolution passing with only minor grumbling from the scientific community.

I'd expect nothing else from the fandom that birthed Mary Sue.

Don't forget that it's also responsible for slash, or at the very least, popularizing it.