Want to get into tabletop

>want to get into tabletop
>search for tabletop communities in my area
>join one
>full of gymbros and dudebros with their girlfriends
>no mythical neckbeards
WTF!
I thought Veeky Forums was a safe space?

Just make friends with them. They're people with a similar shared hobby.

but they have lives outside of imageboards, friends, careers girlfriends, enjoying drinking and going to clubs and have sex
why do they insist on coming here?

You barely even put bait on the hook.

Because All the gods hate you,'cause you touch yourself at night.

It's not as easy as it seems.

I'm currently in a game where nobody likes each other. Nobody. The players have nothing in common, snipe and passive-aggressive bitch at each other IC and OOC and simply want the spotlight for themselves and fuck everyone else. To put it bluntly, everyone there likes the game, just not each other.

The GM, an old friend of mine and the only real reason I bother turning up, continues to think that one day we'll all magically click and it'll be one big happy parts. This has been going on for the best part of two years now and there has not been a single iota of progress. Guilt-trip 'muh autism' sperg, mr suicide-watch, knows-it-all-but-gets-furiously-mad-if-you-prove-them-wrong cunt and the turbo grognard just do not mix.

So yes, this took me back as well but a common interest doesn't mean you can easily befriend people.

To make friends with you user. So together you can live happy fun filled lives

They could be former neckbeards.

The horror!

i love this pic so much, i wonder if the guy who did it actually was serious.

Yes. /r9k/ presence on this board is pretty frightening.

One thing I don't understand: most Veeky Forums hobbies are, at heart, social hobbies, based on interaction with other human beings. This is especially true for RPGs, which require a group of people to spend time in a social way for hours.
How come they seem to attract all sorts of subhumans and wastes of genetic potential? If anything, it's the autistic neckbeards that should be culled out of the hobby, eugenics-style.

Social hobbies for the socially outcast
Remember when you were a kid and playing your gameboys and Stacies and Chads made fun of you for being a nerd?

Then 2012 came and suddenly playing games was cool and they stole the one thing that social outcasts could be passionate about and made it theirs.

This has been answered by From my understanding, most people who can, do so online. It seems to be the unwanted and unable dregs who clog up the stores to play in person. It's sad, but I feel it's almost certainly true. All the folk just wanting attention, or too illiterate to use a computer end up in the game store.

Daily reminder this image was done not as a joke, but as a serious illustration and there are people delusional enough to be this tier paranoid.

It happened to me once when i co-founded chess group in highschool.
Newcomers decided at some point that chess a shit, and started playing poker and drink beer at the meetings its legal 18+ in my country

>Remember when you were a kid and playing your gameboys and Stacies and Chads made fun of you for being a nerd?

No? Everyone fucking loved pokemon. I traded with the sports captain in school.

>Being beta enough to allow it
You brought it on yourself, mate. If you managed to get kicked from your own group and it changed the theme completely, then you are the one to blame, nobody else.

I think that too. I was really shy back then.

I remember being a kid in those days and wishing that things would change and general geekery would be more mainstream. It has and fuck me it's awful.

I have only ever been more wrong once in my life and that lost me everything I held dear.

He was a dudebro
you know that kid who took your level 58 machoke and promised to give it back to you but he didn't and ended up breaking your pokeclique and ruined it forever

Kek, ok. Please explain how this isn't true. Look at the faggots playing vidya these days and tell me they haven't made things so much worse.

>they stole the one thing that social outcasts could be passionate about and made it their
Have you forget to take your meds again, Brian?

Because what the fuck you are even blabbing about? How the hell one can "steal" a hobby from you? The only thing you've "lost" is the feeling of being special, because you play with minis or play game of pretend.
My first TTRPG group consisted of a metalhead, a literal Chad playing for local football team, a weaboo who was also a gymbro, me (I was and still are into high-mountain climbing) and our GM was a perky goth chick. Later, metalhead's girlfriend joined the group and she was absolutely normal, without any quirks whatsoever. It was in 2001 and we were playing CP2020.
And all my groups were like this - consisting from absolutely average people. No social outcasts, no weirdos, no neckbearders (I saw first neckbearder IRL in 2013 when memes managed to make certain cretines comfortable with being obese, sweaty, dirty and with "beard" consisting mostly of acne).

So every time I hear how "normies destroyed my hobby", I wonder what the fuck millenials are crying about.

>Explain to me how exaggerated, paranoid image representing the core of special snowflake mentality of an /r9k/ drone isn't true
By being what I've just described?

Also, this is Veeky Forums. Got problem with video games? Go visit /v/ and /vr/

>Social hobbies for the socially outcast
... no?

Unless you come from D&D crowd and somehow are old enough to remember D&D in early-to-mid 90s, that was never a thing in the hobby. Never.
And in the D&D case the reason why it ended up as thing for outcast was everyone else in the hobby finding better games to play, while D&D was gutted under Lorraine and turned into a joke nobody wanted to play.
Which is ironic, considering most new people to the hobby start nowdays with D&D

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>playing your gameboys
Yeah, I remember when the change happened, Halo for X-Box. Then playing games was cool.

I was mad that people STILL didn't like me, but years later I realized they didn't like me because I didn't act like a normal person.

People need to realize it's not your hobbies or the things you do that define you. It's the way you act and your self confidence that matter.

I've mostly figured out how to impersonate a well adjusted individual, but eventually my total lack of self confidence shines through and people start to dismiss me as a lost cause.

>Look at the faggots playing vidya these days and tell me they haven't made things so much worse.
They haven't.
Being socially awkward doesn't magically prevent someone from also being a massive asshole. The "gaming community" has always had (probably more than) it's fair share of attention seekers, dipshits and emotionally unstable fucks.

Using vidya as an example because the same principle applies.

I just want a hobby where I don't have to pretend I'm not a mess of a human being like I do at work. That's also why I'm on a Malaysian crochet pattern board.

>The GM, an old friend of mine and the only real reason I bother turning up, continues to think that one day we'll all magically click and it'll be one big happy parts
Step up either and explain the situation to the GM (which you won't do, since you are a pussy) or call out the entire group, while GM is present, about the issue (which you also won't do, being a pussy).

Alternatively, do the pussy move and change your group.

By that I specifically meant the SJWs.

Honestly I don't care about the chads playing COD and FIFA. They're 100000 times better.

Never been a social outcast, faggot. And everybody and their dog had a gameboy. Could it be that I don't define myself as a person based on what I do in my free time?

>SJWs invaded and ruined video games
Oh boy, here we go.

>the same principle applies.
They don't.

And I've got a message for you - neck yourself already. I don't care if you are baiting or not, but I'm sick and tired of "but I want to feel special and accepted without doing anything at all" cunts that seem to think role-playing games is the right place for them, while complainging about pretty much everyone else, especially the adjusted people. Really, don't care if bait or not, since this stance is prevailing enough for a past decade to just take your post at face value.
Neck yourself or work on your ass. There is no "third way".

(You)

Nice attention whoring, btw

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IME (not American) D&D is more for the socially outcast now than it ever was, because in order to sell the game, distributors also sold a certain idea of audience.
"Nerds" didn't exist 20 years ago. Now high school culture has been highjacked by what folks see in TV shows, and it's all proms and cliques and so on.

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But this does happen to an extent, you do get a progression of serious hobbyists, casual hobbyists, and then individuals who are more into the aesthetics, themes, or community, example being TF2 which used to be about a really tight, enjoyable game and meta, but degenerated and is now not taken seriously and it is significantly harder to enjoy it as a game.

There are more factors, and I don't think the dudebro introduction stage is really as serious are straight forward as they portray it, but it does happen.

>distributors also sold a certain idea of audience.
>"Nerds" didn't exist 20 years ago
So you are baiting? Nice to know.

Just for the record: D&D is currently THE "normie" game. And to survive, it was literally sold as "normie friendly" (which it isn't, but hey, as long as it works for sales) for past two editions. So if you are going to bait, at least don't try to bend reality in the process.

>Step up and explain the situation to the GM.
>Call out the entire group

I have. Many times. I am aware that passive aggressive bitching on a imageboard dedicated to chinese cartoons will do next to nothing to solve my situation. I run and play in different groups and have done so for many years and this is the first time I have ever encountered a situation like this.

Whenever one of us does complain enough to the GM, it just means the next session will be more akin to group therapy where everyone wents their issues or, to be more accurate, instantly start to fish for as many pity points as possible. It's fucking disgusting and I call out the professional victims when they do this which they love because they can then sob harder and send even more messages to the GM.

The only reason I am loathe to just throw it all away is because I'm good friends with the GM and some of the other players and the feeling is mutual. He's trying to glue together a fractured old guard with the water of newer people who just simply do not and will not gel.

Thanks for the reply though. I am wondering if anyone else from Veeky Forums has been in a similar situation before.

You're literally saying get out of your own hobby or completely change your personality because you're not socially well adjusted.

How the fuck are you not just proving the OP image right?

>Social archetype present all over American media since tail end of 70s didn't exist 20 years ago
You are not too good with Math, or just stupid?

>while complaining about pretty much everyone else, especially the adjusted people
I think that the most annoying part. I'm quite awkward myself, shy and all that, but why the fuck would I reproach others for not sharing my flaws?
If you want to be accepted for who you are, the least you can do is accept others for who they are. If you have trouble going toward others, the worst you can do is to shun them away when they reach out for you.

You massive faggot, learn to read. I'm not American, and when I was a kid the kind of imagery associated with nerds (notice how I put it in quotes?) - black glasses and pocket protectors and so on - wasn't pervasive, and more importantly wasn't self-defining as it is now. Does that mean that there were no weird guys around? No. But nobody would have *chosen* to sself-identify as belonging to that social group. Cultural colonization is a thing, yo.

Here comes another. The world doesn't end in your 50 states, you know.

Ok, this is going to shock you, but here is the deal:
Either you are socially well-adjusted, or you are considered mental. And for a good reason, because lack of that adjustment means you are unable to function in society. ANY society, not just "the one I don't like".
So it proves shit with the image, because the basic concept is - you are either adjusted, or you "die".
If you think you can remain unable to hold social interaction and then finally reach the point where you will be no longer a student and have to work your ass for living - good luck with that. And if you just want to be neet, make sure your parents are both wealthy enough for that AND accepting enough to not just throw you out at certain point.

tl;dr Stop being such a pussy.

>People actually brought into the idea that rpgs were a secret club for social outcasts in the 80/90's
And they say marketing doesn't work.

Are you actually retarded? There are ridiculous amount of jobs that require either very minimal social interaction or none at all.

>Complains about Americans on American page in English
Wew, lad.

Also, you are so full of shit and so over-sensitive about how people percieve you, no fucking wonder you cry about "normies" invading your hobby and marketing department "ruining" things that were always first and foremost made for mass audience for maximum profit.
Your perception of the hobby as something niche and for "chosen few" is the main reason why you can't fucking grasp reality around you. Ironically, said perception comes from marketing departments of the late 80s and early 90s, where they've realised people really like to feel special by belonging to those "small, niche groups". Hence the sub-culture fad you are complaining about for ruining your hobby forever. How about stop being a lousy cunt and stop whining about a non-issue instead?

You could also just.

Y'know.

Become socially well adjusted.

I mean, it's not impossible. I did it and I'm a literal sperg. Society isn't obligated to give you a safe space in which you can be retarded. Unless you have mental issues then it's your fault that you're this way and you're too lazy to change. If the latter is true, you're in no position to be complaining about SJWs in vidya when you do the exact same shit they do.

And that changes what, exactly? And how are you going to find that job, if you don't interact with people? Selling services = interaction. Freelance = interaction. No matter what you do, you need to interact and behave.
You still need to FUNCTION in a society, no matter how hard you try not to. Alternatively, you are underage b8, who thinks "socially unadjusted" just means being shy when having to ask the cashier for the extra bag and being afraid of attending your business with city hall clerks, and not being a fucking disfunctional mess unable to have any sort of social interaction at all and requiring being locked up for own good.

I do an insurance job all week which involves a lot of social interaction with customers. I do pretty decently at this as far as I know.

I'm not a student, NEET or an R9K fag, I just want a hobby where I'm able to relax and not wear the normie-mask when I'm not at work.

I really don't think that's too much to ask.

>Remember when you were a kid and playing your gameboys and Stacies and Chads made fun of you for being a nerd?
I legitimately didn't think happened outside of TV.

He wants to play a social game, i think he's capable of fucking opening his mouth.
Where are you getting this definition from anyway?

>you're too lazy to change. If the latter is true, you're in no position to be complaining
This

The vast majority of spergs self-diagnosing themselves as unadjusted are just too lazy to work on themselves. I'm, or rather was, shy as fuck as a kid. Literally everything was startling me and making me blush or crying. But I was simply tired of having all sort of issues related with this and decided that either I will work on this, or I will remain a complete push-over for the rest of my life. Currently I'm a pharmacist and that means all the quirks of the retail job combined with having to deal with actually ill people. And I'm handling them on daily basis without breaking the sweat.
I still do feel uneasy when calling the powerplant to state my current energy use, thou, because I'm always afraid I'm going to fuck this up and end up with technician coming in to cut my energy cord.

Well it's self-perpetuating isn't it? Kids are easily influenced and if they see people on TV acting like that to the "nerdy" kids, they're likely to imitate it.

>I do an insurance job
>complains about being socially inept

I've got a suggestion - since it was proven times and again you are wrong and your assumption is based on ass-pulling, could you finally stop?

would you by chance say that Veeky Forums has been degraded by that anons presence here?

There's a difference between being able to cope in a professional environment and actually being able to make friendships or relationships outside of that, dumbfuck.

>I just want a hobby where I'm able to relax and not wear the normie-mask when I'm not at work.

This right here. How in the fuck are so many people missing this? If it's not something you can relax and unwind with, it's not entertainment, it's just even more stress on your head.

so what does this say about who you are beneath the mask?

> Mfw the basketball team in high school supported me, the weak nerd, in sport class.

You're pretty much complaining that the industry has switched from 90s advertising (XTREME, doritos&mountain dew, hardcore gamerz) to 00s advertising (feelings, your choice will change the world!)

a club is a place though, not a game, with a game you can just take those whop actually want to play and move, the wide audience of the game doesn't affect you.

he only did that so the stacie's would like him more, it wasn't about standing up for you

Just play with groups consisting of social outcasts. Say "Sorry, we've got a group with a good dynamic right now" instead of just letting everyone join your campaign. Problem solved, congratulations, happy to save you from your misery.

You weren't going to get along with any group of misfits either anyway. Plenty of normies accept misfits for what they are work fine with them in the right circumstances.

>/r9k/ presence
Don't pretend this kind of bullshit wasn't here all the time.
Weebs and /d/ posters constantly derail threads and then use the exact same pathetic excuses and thought process as that pic

>TF2 which used to be about a really tight, enjoyable game and meta, but degenerated and is now not taken seriously and it is significantly harder to enjoy it as a game.
you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. TF2 was ALWAYS a pub game, you joined a server and just kinda hung out playing casually. The introduction of hats and ranked ruined it by making the game about a 'meta'

No, because since its inception Veeky Forums was a board mainly populated by cross-posters. It was always a thing. The only exception was extreme spike of /pol/ activity last year, but that was caused by American presidental elections and went back to normal.

Not him, but are you saying you can handle what's basically extreme case of solicitor job, but in the same time are unable to have meaningful human interaction?

I like hanging out with spergs simply because they're often just more interesting, they do weird shit, like weird shit, value weird shit, want weird shit and jerk off to weird shit.
You can't talk about a lot of things with most people, it steps outside their social confines and they just get fucking angry. There are the bad kinds of spergs of course, but i'd gladly meet up with any fag from a Veeky Forums waifu/tulpa thread for example.

>I don’t want to talk to people and find people like me, but if I don’t talk to people how will I find people like me?
That’s your deal, not a game’s deal. I found people to play with online that have become friends, and I did that through finding groups on forums I was a regular in. No matter how you find who you play with, it is going to require social interaction and waving your freak flag.

>Not him, but are you saying you can handle what's basically extreme case of solicitor job, but in the same time are unable to have meaningful human interaction?
Not any of them, but of course that's true. Look at psychopath serial killers. Some are able to maintain superficial relationships, keep steady jobs and appear normal, while failing to have any truly close relationships and be generally fucked up in the head. Obviously there's a sliding scale where people can maintain the non-private charade and be successful without being murdering crazies on the private side of things.

>You weren't going to get along with any group of misfits either anyway
This.
The legendary "nerd" category comprises of a lot of genuinely awful people that will ruin any fun you hoped to have. Most of the bad game stories on Veeky Forums are due to nerds and neckbeards of some variety. Few are laid at the feet of "chads" or "normies".

I felt outcast cause my parents wouldn't let me play vidya or watch cartoons as much as my friends. In the 90s.

My childhood was all classic scifi and fantasy books plus drawing terrible comics until I made friends with a pile of Koreans and trailer park kids. Who exposed me to Starcraft and porn, which both just sort of confused me at the time.

>tulpa thread
Pardon me, but what's a "tulpa"?

Yeah it sucks. Obviously there are people a lot worse off whose anxiety/depression and so on are a lot worse and they can barely get out of bed, never mind work a job, but yeah.

Helps that most of my interactions are on the phone- if I was working face to face it would be much worse.

Google exists.

AFAIK, it's like an imaginary friend, except you use various tricks to delude your brain into thinking (s)he's real. That way you can fuck your 2D waifu. Something like that.

self induced schizophrenia basically.

A buddhist term for something that can be best described as your made-up perfect image, acting like your best friend. You know, an imaginary person you project as a perfection. Kind of how Mary Sue character, but as part of your psyche.

>schizophrenia
Disassociative Disorder, actually.

Confession : I don't like normies because I'm afraid that they will think I'm a neckbeard because I'm ugly and quite awkward and drive me out of the hobby.
Is that a justified?

imaginary friend that eventually becomes "real", probably due to extreme self-inflicted psychosis. I don't even know if it's based on any real myth/folklore, it's mostly a fever dream product of /x

>Look at psychopath serial killers
user, why are you bringing unadjusted person - you know, a psychopath - to a discussion? Because this is missing the point so hard it's just fucking hilarious.

*fear

>why we can't have nice things.

>Google exists.
I know, but I prefer your explanations when available and relevant.

Cheers. Interesting, but I've got an HTC Vive instead.

I'm not a neckbeard but I can't fit in with normal cool things like drinking and partying because I don't find enjoyment in them. Why can't I have a hobby filled with people like me who find solace in playing games that normal people don't?
They already have their clubs and partys to make fun of me for why do they continue to make fun of me in my hobby space?

Depends on the setting

No, seriously.

Tibetan monks would like to talk with you about how part of tantrism is just an /x/ invention.