When was the last time a Dexfag got BTFO by a Strfag in your game?

Why did two rounds of 1d4 punches incapacitate the archer? And why didn't the archer just keep shooting?

You trying to tell me 5e lets you use a bow while pined to the ground?

Does it work that way? Couldn't the blade cut through the meat of the fingers? Or is the idea that they put the pressure on the sides of the blade?

Well in a recent campaign our party's 30str ogre barbarian was cleaving through Drow duelists left and right.
However this is kind of negated by the fact that during the several times he was mind controlled, they sent him after me, the dex based archer, and never once did he hit me.

Yes. In fact if what you used to restrain him was the grappler feat ability then he wouldn't even suffer disadvantage, because that feature restrains both the grappler and the victim, meaning the disadvantage on attacks and advantage for attackers cancel out. He could sharpshoot that gladiator all he likes while the glad is stuck with weak ass one handed attacks.

5e grappling is a trap and the whole game has a big fat hateboner for strfags.

Guts is REALLY strong

Yeah but you're a fucking pussy irl m8.

this is why you have something called a DM
they exist to arbiter and deny this sort of shit
and why you dont just play a board or video game instead

rapiers are not particularally sharp

Not just putting pressure on the side of the blade, but bending and twisting the blade.

Sabers and rapiers are more flexible than standard broadswords, and if you have a grip strong enough ~and the leverage to do so~ to can basically bend the blade enough to make a straight draw out difficult..

I think the top dog of a group dedicated to fighting people deserves to play by PC rules. The rest of them are mooks, but the champion, by definition, is exceptional.

It's also why you should play games that don't suck, yet d&d is stil popular

>If I could incapacitate people by acting "brazen" I'd be god-emperor by now.
Our current god-emperor seems to have done just that.

>bend
*flex

Remember kids, if it springs back after, it wasn't bent. Flexing a sword with your hand is easy. Bending a sword with your bare hand is terrifying.

Like this, but with just the strength of one hand.
youtu.be/Qcm-9Jvn46c?t=45s

Does using a bow withing melee range not give an AoO?

Yes. 5e isn't very good for combat.

No, but it would give you disadvantage typically. However, multiple sources of advantage collapse into one, and multiple sources of disadvantage collapse into one.

That is to say, if you have 10000 reasons the attack would be hard, and one reason it would be easy, the attack is regular.

The character-in-question is an arrogant cunt who thought the battle had already been won.

The battle had been won. When Tim Roth had Neeson at his mercy the duel was over. Neeson cheated and there's no way the outcome would have been accepted.

Wrong. Advantage/disadvantage cancel each other on a 1/1 basis. Two sources of disadvantage+one source of advantage is disadvantage. Four sources of advantage+two sources of disadvantage is advantage.

If you can, contradict me using RAW. If you REALLY can, contradict me using RAW and RAI.

what a cunt

>The Duke, though skeptical of MacGregor's likelihood of survival, arranges a duel between MacGregor and Cunningham, wagering Montrose that if MacGregor lives, his debt will be forgiven and that if he dies, the Duke will pay his debt
Five seconds in Wikpiedia is all it would have taken you.

RAI is a stupid thing to base your argument on.

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so is McDonalds, theres something to be said for brand recognition and availability

>not knowing highland dueling rules
>year of our lord 2017
Fucking Campbells

Then use RAW. I'm sitting here, waiting. You second rate rules-lawyer, you.

Not enough to make combat fun though

Claidh mor don't really have particularly sharp edges. The quality of the steel wasn't high enough to hold an edge all that well.

To be fair, the real way to 'pin' people in 5e is to shove or trip them so they're prone, then grapple them so they have no movement to stand with. You have advantage, they have disadvantage and aren't going anywhere until they break the grapple.

I could see how 1d4+str with advantage would easily outpace 1d8+dex with disadvantage, especially if the archer is trying to use their actions to escape. Depends on what exactly abilities the Champ had, but that's entirely feasible. It would also really nullify sharpshooter, since -5 hurts when you have disadvantage. The guy could have used a rapier or a shortsword and gotten,similar results at that point, although the Orc could uave also accelerated things by using a weapon of his own.

Grappling in 5e is surprisingly simple and effective if you know what you're doing. The only quirk with it is that two-handed weapons can still be used while grappled and prone, but it's usually a bad idea anyway. You could flavor it as the guy trying to stab the Orc with his arrows and get the same effect

fun is subjective, ive had plenty fun on most DnD systems
its not the most fluid sure, i prefer games like the old 7th Sea for that, but its functional and sometimes thats all you need

>the real way to 'pin' people in 5e is to shove or trip them so they're prone, then grapple them so they have no movement to stand with
Almost like real-life, wot?

ur dumb and 5e is dumb

>If circumstances cause a roll to have both advantage
and disadvantage, you are considered to have neither of
them, and you roll one d20. This is true even if multi pie
circumstances impose disadvantage and only one grants
advantage or vice versa. In such a situation, you have
neither advantage nor disadvantage.

P173, players handbook

Literally right now.

Party of dodgy rogues who focus on dots and status ailments to dogpile bosses to death up against angry nihilist with no self-preservation instinct and a giant axe-blade roughly the size of her entire body.

They set up their usual barrage of chained reaction attacks, she ignores everything and starts smashing them off a bridge one by one

>>archer can't even scratch his athletics checks
You can use acrobatics instead of athletics to escape a grapple you know.

I recant and agree that that is dumb and I am dumb. I'm still not dumb enough to follow RAW over RAI, though, so time will tell which of us has the more fun. But then, fun is just a buzzword.

This is all bullshit.

No offense to Japan, which did propagate some legit martial arts, but the mythology of their martial arts is as bullshit as Arthurian legend.

There are plenty of folks not named Lindybeige out there doing research on the truth of "supreme martial arts." The vast majority of it is complete bullshit.

Now there were some hard motherfuckers back in the day who would take a sword in a non-vital bodypart to deny its use to the enemy.

Guts swings a slab of metal that probably weighs as much as a small car like a normal sword, he's undoubtedly got insane grip strength just from using it.

It's clearly RAI if they specified double sources of one still don't counteract one source of the other

Hey, I'm not saying that it isn't a fine houserule to try and do or that the game works better when you say double-disadvantage makes something impossible or have the stacks cancel eachother out. If it works for your group, power to you. That's the sort of thing 5e is all about with variant and optional rules.

But RAW it is supposed to be a quick simple check of Advantage (Y/N) Disadvantage (Y/N)

That's fair. Then they are dumb and I'd be dumb to listen to their intent.

This is one of the things that bugs me about 5e, honestly. In their effort to simplify every complex mechanic, they threw the baby out with the bathwater.

It bugs you that you don't have to tally up the exact number of +1s and +2s you get from being slightly inspired or having a good breakfast that morning versus the -1s and -2s of being in dim-but-not-too-dim light while there's a slight headwind?

Not every single roll needs to have tables upon tables to calculate the physics of how hard it is to shoot some guy while in a windstrorm or a dark room. And if all the factors add up to the degree where it should be impossible for you to miss or impossible for you to hit, the DM can just say 'it's impossible' and leave it at that.

Some swords are stabbers, some are slashers, some are both.

Gladius? Both.

Rapier? Stab.

Katana? Slash.

They were afraid of becoming 3.5 with all it's overly specific shit rules again. They did this, thinking people are capable of using sound judgement and houseruling case by case as they please, but did not realize 3.5 caused such extensive brainwashing that no one is capable of sound judgement anymore.

The D&D franchise is well past hopeless.

Shooting something blind should not have the same penalty as a mild irritant.

not really, just alot of its players

people forget that the role of the DM is to be able to account for situations that the rules and the campaign notes dont account for

>DEX Virgin vs STR Chad

alternatively...

I think you're projecting a more-extreme opinion onto me than the one I actually hold. The simplification yielded some good results, too, such as skills no longer being solely-dependent on Intelligence, for example.

The real problem is how the duel they have before that is a spot-on fencing. Someone put a real, genuine effort to film a proper duel, coach the actors into fencing and what not...
... only to then have cinematic convention ending.

Also, Cunningham could and SHOULD kill him much earlier in the duel, instead of playing around. Seriously, this scene was a fucking cheating, in sense of film-making cheating. So much effort... and then such sloppy finish.

I think most mild irritants are mild enough to not give a penalty at all in 5e, especially relative to the usual 'orcs screaming everywhere' and 'you're bleeding' distractions that most adventurer's are dealing with in a fight.

What things about Cunningham as a character incline you to believe that he is a particularly-pragmatic person? He's a twat who was too big for his britches. He thought he was better than he actually was, and having those illusions shattered froze him long enough to die.

She was daiboju in the end... right, user-kun?

Have we been by chance watching two completely different movies?
It's been over 20 years and people keep doing the exact same thing Rob did - estrimate Cunningham by his looks, not his actions and then get BTFO.

It was more of itadakimasu ...

That's a possibility, but could you answer the question, please?

>He thought he was better than he actually was, and having those illusions shattered froze him long enough to die
Funny, because that could be attributed to Rob Roy for the entirety of the duel. Here comes the guy who thinks he can fight his way out. Looks down at his enemy - an effemenete guy in a wig, definitely a fag and probably some weaking - starts fencing and 20 seconds in already knows he's fucked. Another 20 seconds later he's already winded up and bleeding, while the guy keeps parrying him and dodging with ease. By the end of the duel he knows he thought about himself as better than he actually was and having the illusion shattered by a guy who everyone considered just some fag in a wig.
And then comes the cinematic duel ending, that was the cheapest coup-out the film makers could do. If you have your ass served this hard, you don't just magically make a "dramatic" twist in such cheap fashion. It just feels like corn syrup applied all over entire dish to cover the fact it's half-baked and from stale ingredients.

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The fact he makes extremely pragmatic decisions throughout the entire fucking movie? All his actions are dictated by pretty precise goals and desired he has as a person. He's not "evil for the sake of it" (even if he does find it pleasurable), he's extremely pragmatic in his actions. If anything. it's Rob who can't think straight and always gets emotional about everything, plus muh honour (while being a fucking cattle thief)

Translation? Context?
Is that guro porn?

No, he thought he was as good as he actually was.

And he toyed with Taken, and got killed.

This.

Aside maybe the Taken part

Would Maneater Mildred ring any bells?

I didn't actually watch it, I just needed a clip of a sword catch.

Normally? I hate the 'You don't fight with honor.' 'Yeah, well, the dead guy did' exchange, but people like you remind me that it's necessary.

>'You don't fight with honor.' 'Yeah, well, the dead guy did'
That trite quote isn't relevant here. He's saying it's cheap from a meta standpoint, not in-universe.

>guys stops swinging the sword, allowing the other man to just clap his hands shut over it.

Yep. Bullshit.

Just like katanas.

>Implying most witnesses didn't want Cunningham dead.
Law only exists where the lawmakers wish it.

not everybody wants to play the "I this much advantage against that much disadvantage" game

since you focus more on stacking bonuses rather than narrating your moves
its tedious, and encourages you to rules lawyer the DM for slight mechanical benefit

Would you prefer people arguing over how good of a bonus their super cheesy anime inspired narrated special move should be doing?

I would say having a "special move" is either refluffing a class feature or grants them advantage in their attack, but if they spam it it leaves them at risk from "your kung fu is easily countered by my special move" if they are too liberal with it or critically fail with it

>If you have your ass served this hard, you don't just magically make a "dramatic" twist in such cheap fashion
Guess what, he believed he served Rob's ass so hard he couldn't do anything about it and let his guard down

5E isn't very good

>When was the last time a Dexfag got BTFO by a Strfag in your game?
Wasn't my game, but I could retell the irl story of Bear vs Ninja again.

>the irl story of Bear vs Ninja
For some reason, I doubt it's a story about an actual bear and an actual ninja. This makes me sad.

>Seriously, this scene was a fucking cheating, in sense of film-making cheating. So much effort... and then such sloppy finish.
>If you have your ass served this hard, you don't just magically make a "dramatic" twist in such cheap fashion.
>Neeson cheated
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He cheated.
Well yeah.
That's what you do.
When you are clearly beaten by the rules of the game, and your life is on the line, you change the rules.

This reminds me of when Corwin of Amber, one of the better swordsmen in existence, met one of the few men better than him.
He threw his cloak over him and stabbed the guy through it.
Then, in a contrivance of fate, killed him again in a similar manner by stabbing him through a door.

As for people accepting the result in the movie?
see >>Implying most witnesses didn't want Cunningham dead.

Sorry to disappoint.
It's a bear-like guy and a "ninja".

Is it the same Bear as in this story?

Actually no.

But I think I may have posted mine along with that one in some thread.

Let me find it.

Holy fucking shit. I hope i can one day a quarter as cool as The Bear when i grow up!

...really need to hit the gym when i find the time.

>I could retell the irl story of Bear vs Ninja again.
It's not mine and I told it to Veeky Forums before, so have some pasta:

The Evil Keen's Tale of the Ninja vs. the Bear:

My friend, Evil Keen, had a gaming group for a while that included a guy we'll call Ninja.
Ninja was the sort of guy who had studied martial arts for a long time, scoffed at anyone who practiced a different martial art as a pleb, hung his many ornamental martial arts weapons on his walls, and constantly bragged to everyone about how he could kill them effortlessly if he so chose.
Apparently, he wasn't without martial skill. He knew a lot about martial arts, he knew a lot weapons, and he knew next to nothing about actual fighting.
Ninja was also a devout believer of DEX > STR.
He acknowledged when the system dictated that a dex build would lose to a str build, but cited it as the system not being realistic.
>"If this were real, my character would have killed him in the first round."
That sort of thing.

He was also an asshole in other ways, but none that I distinctly remember.
[The first time I told this story, this point is one that was easily overlooked. The guy really was an asshole. He literally laughed about the idea of murdering his friends, bragged about his "deadly prowess", and behaved as if he held their lives in his hands on a constant basis for months.]

One night, the group is playing at his house, Ninja is once again bragging about how if he were to fight a much larger opponent, he would kill them.
Now, there was another member of the group we'll call Bear.
Bear was a much larger man than EK, who was tall and barrel chested, so Bear was much, much larger than NInja.
Bear was normally a nice, quiet guy.
I don't know what made Bear decide that he had enough of Ninja, but that day he had had enough.

Bear got up, walked over to where Ninja was sitting, and said "This is what happens when someone like me fights someone like you."
Bear wrapped his arms around Ninja, pinning his arms to his sides, and picked him up off the ground.
Ninja was furious.
Ninja was enraged.
Ninja was helpless.
Ninja threatened to kill him.
Njnja kicked frantically at Bears legs.
Ninja headbutted Bear's shoulder.
That's when Bear started smashing Ninja into the walls.

At this point while being told the story, I had a realization that EK confirmed.
This room was adorned with all the weapons that Ninja had been casually mentioning he could end his friends' lives with for months.
They were knocked uselessly to the floor, along with his gaming and martial arts books.
The more Ninja shouted about how he would murder Bear once he got free, the more Bear slammed him into the walls.
I believe at first, bear just repeated his line, "This is what happens when someone like me fights someone like you."
Utterly powerless, Ninja eventually was left with no choice but calm down, shut up, and promise to behave if let go.

Having more than proven his point, Bear let Ninja go.
Ninja scrambled to a weapon and started shouting at Bear, making impotent threats but making no move to approach him.
Bear calmly gathered his things and left.

I don't know for certain if either left the group after this, but I think Bear shortly moved on to another group.
Ninja remained an asshole for as long as EK knew him.

>then he wouldn't even suffer disadvantage, because that feature restrains both the grappler and the victim, meaning the disadvantage on attacks and advantage for attackers cancel out.
The advantage to attack during a grapple only applies to melee attacks.

>Why did two rounds of 1d4 punches incapacitate the archer?
He probably had Flurry of Blows, that is, if anything previous user said even happened.

>And why didn't the archer just keep shooting?
Ranged attacks have disadvantage at 5 feet.

>Being this dumb
Are yo seriously saying you don't see the difference between cheating film-makers using cheap trick AND "cheating" in the context of grabbing the blade?
Because that's what your post is about - inability to see separately production issues and in-universe situations.

I recognize that artstyle.
Seems he is at it again, and still with the WHY stuff. Never change you inglorious bastard.

It's from the first Dark Souls. She's getting BTFO by an extremely weak enemy.