Orc Vs Ork Vs Pig-Orc

>GM
>create a list of races; mostly standard, but throws in a few odd ones tossed in like serpentfolk.
>Player X selects orc
>everyone finishes characters
>Player X shows up with printup of Orc Girl from WoW for character picture.
>I, GM, say"You read the race description, right? Orcs are pig-headed in this campaign."
>Player X fumes, claims orcs do not have pig-heads, and calls me a furry.
>Player X has never seen Heroes 1-2, not a Nintendo fan, or seen old D&D manuals.

On one hand, it's not like orcs don't come in all sorts of shapes in media, but I gave the players descriptions. Also, WoW orcs, seriously? I'd accept LoTR orcs, but this shit again?

What orckind is best orc? Also, orc thread. I'd say no porn, but since when has that stopped anyone?

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gent-orc, of course.

dragon-orc

I think LoTR orcs are best orcs.

That's a tanarukk.

bear-orc

D&D 3.5 orcs and half-orcs, I think. LotR orcs descriptions are so generic that they could be practically any goblinoid/orcoid race ever imagined.

I'd also accept porcs, but mostly for the nostalgia factor than anything else.

Psuedo-science orcs.

And I dun forgot my picture. Stupid phone poster.

I appreciate all varieties of orcs. I used to hate the pig-orc brand but they've grown on me. I will say they certainly serve a different narrative role than the more humanoid varieties, and probably shouldn't be presented as a pc race option. Well unless it's a beastmen campaign or something.

>On one hand, it's not like orcs don't come in all sorts of shapes in media, but I gave the players descriptions. Also, WoW orcs, seriously? I'd accept LoTR orcs, but this shit again?

It's your own fault for not providing at least one piece of photographic source material: there will always be stupid players or people who simply will not pay any attention to words and you have to anticipate that... Anyway, onto your question.

>What orckind is best orc?

Pig Orc/P'orc >> Tolkien Black Orc >>>>>>>>> 'Warcraft Green Orc'

To further break it down the best Orc qualities: Pig Headed, very industrious both in nature and technologically speaking, but culturally very crude, either Australian or degenerative English accent, coming in skin tones of Black, Red, Brown, and White, and a superior at herding swine and breeding massive rottweilers/droopy faced kind of wargs.

Though, Angus McBride Orcs are always welcome.

Venger's Orcs.

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only good orc is dead orc

And good ol' Red Orcs...

porcs best orcs

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>Australian
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>"monster"
>it's a human with two sets of ears and a tail

dorcs

Unless the pig snouts will matter to the campaign, who the fuck gives a shit what little picture the player has?

>orcs are just beastmen
shit

LotR Orcs basically were goblins.
Tolkien initially wanted to use "Hobgoblin" for Uruk-Hai, but soon realized the name refers to a small, friendly goblin traditionally (as he used the same etymology for the word Hobbit).

better than humans with green skin

Don't knock the classics.

I've been fond of pig orcs ever since I played Kingdom Under Fire: the Crusaders as a teenager.

Shame there will never be a PC release.

You're treading on questionable ground, he might be some overly full of himself Tolkien fan that's upset they aren't technologically-adept bandy-legged savages.

If I wanted to experience lotr again i'd reread the books. Just cause tolkien did it doesn't mean we all should forever.

It's funny considering more commonly accepted view of Neanderthals makes them closer to dwarves.

Best looking orcs

I personally prefer my fantasy to be closer to pulp fantasy with more gonzo shit. I'll never understand the reverence LotR gets; it's dull as dishwater, dry as dust.

Oh hey, where's this from? Looks like Dungeon Meshi design notes or something. Do you have a link to a full set?

No, sorry. Pulled it from a thread similar to this one, but about kobolds. It had the file name it does now. Guy who posted it then als odid not know the source.

It did it first, so it must have done it right, right? DESU I like my PCs as fantasy super heroes on their way to godhood

Best orcs are with heavy armour, big guns and bunny ears.

>D&D 3.5 orcs and half-orcs, I think.

So in your opinion gray-skinned chads are the best option? Seriously?

this design isn't simple enough for my liking

>this design isn't simple enough for my liking

Generally speaking, I think the worst thing going on right now for fantasy is designers to 'over design' monsters, people, costumes, etc..
I miss the simplicity of older more classical/romantic art during the sword and sorcery era.

Which I find the woman behind Dungeon Meshi is capable of beautifully capturing, even when, really, her big inspiration is the weird, unique, version of 'classical dungeon western fantasy' the Japanese had during the 70-80's.

Yup, look at this guy. Inspired by two animals is fine, but then he has tattoos, ornate armor complicated weapons, chains tufts of hair, it's just too much at once.

But that design isn't really all that complicated. Fuck, it's simpler than the real-world landsknecht.

I don't know anything about how they really looked, but these are all simple designs imo

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Still pretty simple in that you can tell what parts are what just by a glance. The only complicated part is the color scheme and the hat, which could be tossed.

If you're going to toss the bold color schemes, what's the point of having landsknechts?

I meant toss the hats. The color scheme is great, but i the hats in that specific picture might be too flamboyant for some player's special donut steals

>toss the hats

YOU BITE YOUR TONGUE SIR.

>I meant toss the hats

Thank you, kind sir!

>children's movie

I bet you watch my little pony too, fag

All of the above. I have them as a sort of mongrel race born from Orcus mixing the blood of giants, men, and pigs to create a profane life with black blood to serve him. Instead they were indignant and Orcish Odin aka Grummsh fucking kicked his ass and banished him. This is why Orcs hate all forms of necromancy.

I don't want to toss the hats, but I was trying to say that if you want to simplify the design thats the easiest way to do it

Says the guy with no respect for Landsknecht hats.

I understand that the pig-like orcs are the originals shown in D&D but I honestly can't take them seriously since my head keeps associating them with Japanese porn.

Warhammer orks = Warcraft orcs

How about "frazetta man" bone-scarred orcs?

My point wasn't that we should simplify their designs, but that the design of that particular pig orc isn't really all that complicated by comparison to some rather out there real world designs.

It's not as though that pig orc is a warhammer character or something. The patterns on it are pretty simple and effective, and it's not as though the chains are stuck on there without an apparent use. I'd say my big sticking point would be his weapon, but even that has a pretty simple pattern overall.

I really started to like the idea of pig orcs. Have they been actually done in tabletop rpgs or is thius just jrpgs?

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Calling pig men "orcs" is dumb and is akin to calling a dryad an "elf"

Sure if you're trying to be a contraption little shit ok great but don't call a duck a swan just to make it seem more special than it is.

Because then you end up with stupid debates like this where people think orcs are beastmen

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeb!

And before people jump my shit for "hurrr but dnd did it" remember that gygax is the same man that called a gorgon a medusa, and then called brass bulls gorgons.

I just don't like the blatantly anthropomorphic animals design of pig orcs. It's so painfully unimaginative and the parts almost always look awkward together. Not to mention it just breaks immersion to have all these creatures be a bunch of mashed up hybrids that exist just because. Though something like is more acceptable since it looks like effort was actually put into incorporating pig like qualities into a human frame, yet it's not overwhelmingly blunt how they're basically pigmen.

>orcs are just beastmen
So are Gnolls, but we don't talk about them

Oh baby gimme dat P'Orc waifu

Orc was a pretty general term before Tolkien took it; it was used in a fashion similar to ogre. Gygax has as much claim to it as Tolkien did.

Or called anything 'x-mail'.

>peasant conscripts in leather mail wielding double-headed battle axes

Because nuts to HEMA.

Right because calling a gnoll a gnoll doesn't take the name away from another creature

But if you call a gnoll a gnoll what will you call gnolls?

>How about "frazetta man" bone-scarred orcs?

Frazetta Men are what I do with Troglodytes: White-furred, slouching, evil, underground, gorilla-dwarves. I have no idea why Troglodytes are lizards and refuse to acknowledge such a seemingly arbitrary design decision.

Gnoll, silly.

Edward Topsell did that, dummy.

I'm definitely in the greenskin camp. Pig-orcs strike me as just another uninspired and uninteresting half-animal, like gnolls, jackalweres, and all those other bland furries on the bottom of the inherently-evil food chain. The mean, green fighting machines from Warhammer & WoW, on the other hand, are so iconic they've spread to D&D. The market has already decided what the more inspiring vision for orcs is.

Granted, I don't think they should be quite as big as Warhammer/Warcraft greenskins in D&D, but that's a given.

Yeah, you're right. Doesn't mean I was wrong, though.

Gray, blue, green, brown... paint them however the fuck you want. I mean in physical description and general background.

>Edward Topsell
First time on this site I see someone mentioning Topsell. You're an educated man, sir.

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Green Pigmen

Orcs evolving from swine, like humans evolving from apes, makes sense to me

well a lot of settings do not deal with evolution at all

Orcs are supposed to be a reflection of humanity not a parallel. The literary themes don't line up if they're pig men

Puzzle Quest 2 had them.

Orcs are supposed to be big burly brutes for the heroes to fight and look cool fighting

Making them Green Humans just makes them more sympathetic, and taking the Warcraft tack and making them aliens is fucking dumb, so burly porcine primitive tribal humanoids it fucking is

Why go for porks when you can have proper pigmen?

"Pig" is often used as an insult and likening someone to a swine is common among every culture that has ever had contact with pigs. What's more, domesticated pigs are pink and look hairless, just like humans, and even from a medical standpoint humans and pigs are very similar. Then you add the thing about some religions banning pork, marking pig as a filthy animal. But eating human meat is similarly sinful.
So making a grotesque parody of humans pig-men is pretty appropriate.

Green man orcs also shit; deformed, cruel, industrious and brutal JRRT/ PJ orcs best orcs

Nothing is more cruel and brutal than wild boars

I don't take orders from Orc, maggots!

Pig orcs make a lot of sense.
>grow up and reproduce fast
>thick hide
>fierce temper
>greedy, not for wealth, but for food that they consume in large quantities
>which puts them at odds with civilized people that produce said food for themselves
>still not too evil to make them one-dimensional or give them character beyond exp-fodder
>can range from human-like pink pig to hairy, dark boar

Provide one example of someone using the word "orc" in fiction before Tolkien. No medieval literature, either.

the worm ouroboros

Honestly, with how much shit is just living all over the place, I'm tempted to just take a spontaneous generation approach to D&D. Kobolds will just pop out of mines if you leave it empty long enough, dragons appear if you get too much treasure in one place, and so on and so on. It makes about as much sense as dozens of sentient species living in the same ecosystems as each other - more if you're playing high fantasy.

Pig men sure but calling them orcs is asking for confusion. Don't call a horse a duck if it's literally just a horse.

Orc->Orcus->Horkos

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Orcs are fictional beings, like dragons

"What if another species also evolved to a humanoid state" is a fascinating thing to explore

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orc#Early_modern_use

>The Oxford English Dictionary refers to orke, used in 1656 in a way that is reminiscent of giants and ogres. It is presumed that 'orke'/'ogre' came into English via continental fairy-tales, especially from the 17th-century French writer Charles Perrault, who borrowed most of his stories and developed his "ogre" from the 16th-century Italian writers Giambattista Basile, Giovanni Francesco Straparola (who has been credited with introducing the literary form of the fairy tale) and Basile, who wrote in the Naples dialect and claimed simply to be passing on oral folktales from his region that he had collected. In at least a dozen or more tales, Basile used huorco, huerco or uerco, the Neapolitan form of orco [Italian] "giant", "monster", to describe a large, hairy, tusked, mannish beast who could speak, that lived away in a dark forest or garden and that might capture and eat humans, or be indifferent or even benevolent—all depending on the tale.

If they fill the niche of the non-human barbarian race, why the fuck not? Don't think anyone expects a prize for originality if they use porcs.

Tolkien said he took the word from an old english word for demon, that is only debatable derived from orcus.

>muh pig orcs
The original pig orc pictures from D&D manuals were a mistake on the part of the artist who saw "porcine features" and rolled with it, now it's for hentai and contrarians only.

Barbaric pig people is fine and can be pretty cool, but shouldn't be conflated with orcs.

The best orcs are Orks and Warcraft orcs. But preferably WC2 era orcs who were still evil and barbaric but with a wicked sense of humor instead of muh noble savage.

Nothing wrong with sexy orc girls either, as long as they have actual bestial features and aren't just greenface humans.