/STG/ - Star Trek General

It sucks that of all the prequel Trekshit coming out, not ONE of them could ever touch on the Earth-Romulan War or Federation-Klingon conflict more in-depth. ENT gets cancelled before it can get to all out war with the Romulans, JJTrek foreshadows a conflict with the Klingons but then drops it by Beyond, and STD is finally about it but now both Klingons and the Federation are basically unrecognizable.

It's fucking money in bank and all they have to do is deliver it. Just like AVP could work if they just put Aliens+Predators+Colonial Marines but no movie studio wants to make it happen. It just baffles me, just completely baffles me that the ONE THING that will get the biggest audience never gets fucking done. Into Darkness set it up and they were already talking about how the Vengeance was needed for an upcoming war with the Klingons, which was all but inevitable. Then Beyond just drops that plot thread for a random romp on a planet. Which isn't necessarily bad but it's not what they should've been going for with the third movie.

Third movie was when they should've raised the stakes. I wanted to see more than just 1v1 ship engagements for fuck's sake. Tell people the third movie would've been about all out Federation-Klingon war and I guarantee you that movie would've outgrossed all the previous Treks.

A mashup of the Star Trek: Federation and Star Trek: Final Frontier ideas.

memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek:_Final_Frontier
memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek:_Federation

I'd be taking the title of Federation but the basic premise of Final Frontier...hang on, let me just pull up what I've written...

>Omega is a particle with immense energy potential, but also immense danger. A single molecule has the power of an entire warp core but that single molecule breaking down can lead to an explosion that destroys subspace for half a dozen light years in every direction. In 2593, a lot more than just a single molecule broke down, all across known space.

>After more than a hundred years, however, the Omega event has begun to repair itself. Subspace is again traversable by warp drives. This repair was not uniform, however some areas were repaired faster than others, some planets reconnected sooner. As well, a century of isolation has created substantial changes across the various races of the galaxy.

>One of the greatest concern to the former members of the Federation or at least those who are looking to re-create it is the fact that Earth, the former capitol world and one of the founding members of the Federation remains cut off from the rest of the Galaxy, not merely by Omega, but by a vast cloud of subspace particles. Ask ten people what happened to Earth, and youll get ten difference answers.

>But by far a greater concern is this: Omega is not a particle that exists naturally. It is too complex and too unstable; it must be artificially created. The Omega Event, then, was a deliberate act. Someone, or something, executed a concentrated attack across the Galaxy. That much is known. What isnt known are the answered to the more important questions who, and why.

>The year is now 2714. The Omega Event is ending and there are many questions that need to be answered...

>ALPHA CENTAURI
>Before the Omega Event, Alpha Centauri was a noted center for education and learning, particularly in the study of starship engineering and warp fields.

>The Centauran humans are relative late-comers to the new status quo; the Omega Event only repaired itself around Alpha Centauri in the past ten years, though the Centaurans knew it was coming and so could prepare for it. The Centaurans hoped to emerge into a Federation as intact as it had ever been and to re-establish ties with their old homeworld of Earth; instead, they have found a fractured galaxy. But humans, no matter their homeworld, are nothing if not optimistic and daring. The Federation existed before, and it can exist again. Already the Centaurans are reaching out to both former Federation members and new ones, looking to re-create the utopia of old and usher in a new age of learning and exploration. It wont be easy but itll be worth it in the end.

>Centaurans are the main people of Star Trek: Federation. The twin Centauran drives to re-create the Federation as well as restore contact with Earth will drive the series forward. Alpha Centauri has been poorly developed in Star Trek lore, further; this series would allow for much freedom in developing Alpha Centauri and seeing, in essence, the result of Federation philosophies put into practical action. Choosing Alpha Centauri as the main world also serves a secondary purpose: the planet and its colony have been a part of Star Trek lore almost from the beginning at it has long been acknowledged as a founder of the Federation, yet its development is thoroughly lacking therefore, encountering new species and new worlds in the old Federations backyard is entirely plausible if Alpha Centauri was so underuse in lore, then is the fact that theres a spacefaring species only another 10 lightyears away that weve never heard of before really so implausible?

JJtrek is very loosely following the original movies.
>Giant advanced thing comes and threatens the Federation
>Khaaaaan
>Enterprise is destroyed

Fourth movie will probably have whales or time travel.

Do you get a special "oh fuck not again" bonus playing the Delta Quadrant missions in an Intrepid?

ANDORIANS

>The Omega Event subsided around Procyon before most other former worlds of the Federation, allowing the Andorians to venture back into space before other races. As the Omega Event fixed itself around other former Federation worlds, the Andorians often found that these worlds needed assistance to fix their ravaged economies and societies and to help defend the nascent space trade that was beginning again help that the Andorians were more than capable of providing. The new Andorian Empire stretches across a significant fraction of former Federation space. The Andorians are not opposed to the Centaurans attempts to create a new Federation they simply do not see a need to join it themselves.

>The goal of having the Andorian Empire in Star Trek: Federation is to create a faction that can be antagonistic without being hostile, or friendly without necessarily being an ally. The Andorians are passionate and militaristic, but not to the point of barbarism the way Klingons are. Because the Andorians are not a hostile species, the main characters of Federation can fight the Andorians on a diplomatic rather than military front; as well, because the Andorians are not an oppressive people, losing any confrontation with them such as a world choosing to join the Empire rather than the new Federation will not promise dire consequences down the line. At the same time, however, the arrogance of the Andorian Empire creates a long-term problem for the new Federation as threats that are bigger than they can handle alone start to emerge.

>Also I just like the Andorians. In any event, the Andorians should be the last of the four original species to rejoin the Federation, and they should rejoin only once they realize that their own stubborn pride is costing them dearly

VULCANS

>The Vulcans weathered the Omega Event with their usual stoicism; their economy was damaged, but they managed the crisis with logic and reasoning, as with most things. However, two hundred years of isolation have given the long-lived Vulcans a lot of time to think and consider the former Federation and the many trying situations it frequently found itself in that could have been avoided had the constituent members of the Federation only been more logical. As a result, the Vulcans have decided that they have no interest in the affairs of outsiders excepting as they pertain to Vulcan itself. They have decided to maintain their independence and will not join any Federation, Empire, or other such interstellar nation until that nation has become less emotion-driven and more analytical.

>The Vulcans sitting out the Federation is mostly meant for drama convincing the Vulcans to join the Federation again is a major series goal, and can be a multi-season arc that eventually pays off for the viewer. The Vulcans should join due to logical reasons, good rhetoric, and maybe a small crisis. Fundamentally it should feel like their choice, however, and not simply them bowing to an outside pressure like a Tholian invasion or something.

>Making them sit things out is also to prevent us from spending even more time on them. Vulcans are very robustly developed in Star Trek lore; not much more can be added at this point.

TELLARITES

>Tellarites love to argue, harangue, and insult others its only polite, after all, at least in their culture. One of the founding members of the Federation, the Tellarites did not have the science of the Vulcans, the armada of the Andorians, or the diplomacy of the humans in fact they certainly lacked that but what they did have is a good eye for business and an extensive trade network that allowed them to nevertheless flourish over the centuries in the Federation, even after the Federation abandoned currency internally in the 24th century.

>All that came crashing down with the Omega Event, however. The past two hundred years were difficult in extreme for the Tellarites, and the ending of the Omega event around Tellar only partially alleviated the problem as the various interstellar nations had, by necessity, learned to make do without them. When the even-more-recent-to-the-scene Centauran humans approached them about re-creating the Federation, the Tellarites laughed in the Centaurans faces and called the idea foolish, idealistic, and bound only for failure or, in non-Tellarite terms, they were fully aboard with the idea, eager as they were to fix the problems assailing their homeworld.

>Tellarites, even more so than Andorians or Alpha Centaurans, are very under-developed in Star Trek lore, particularly for being a founding member of the Federation. The principle goal of including the Tellarites is to develop them into more than a one-trick pony, as well as to provide a little cynicism to offset the optimism of Centaurans, albeit in a good-natured kind of way. They bring an outside perspective to the Federation, essentially, despite being founders of it theyre the people who question things like why saucers and outrigger nacelles? what good is the Prime Directive, anyway?, and so on.

I would have set it pre TNG following a group of ships and the story would switch between them.

>Fourth movie will never get made
Fix'd.

Yeah, I get that. The oly reason I can think of for it would be a total reformation of the Romulan state into something a lot less cartoonishly evil, alongside tensions between Vulcan and Earth, owing to militarisation within Starfleet. Could always just be one of those things the Tal Shiar have set in motion and the USS Protag has to unveil as a deception.

No, but when they added delta quadrant they also added Voyager interiors, including the bridge, the captains ready room and other internal facilities which got shown in the show.

KLINGONS

>Lacking an external foe after the Omega Event, the Klingons turned inwards; first on individual worlds, then, once the Omega Event began to subside, upon their neighbors. The Empire fell into a hundred-year long period of civil war and strife. Today, there are three states claiming to be the legitimate successors to the Empire, though most treat the one based off of the Klingon homeworld of QonoS as the true one, which has if anything become more warlike and violent than before; it is headed by an Emperor named Tolok. The Korvat System is the capitol of a second; these Klingons have not abandoned their warrior ways, but have tempered them, and are looking to establish more normal ties with their neighbors. They a ruled by a Chancellor checked by a council of Great Houses. Finally, the Yovbot system hosts a third Klingon Empire. These Klingons have become duplicitous and treacherous; still warlike, but no longer quite as concerned with honor as their forebears. These Klingons also have a Chancellor, but he holds supreme control of the government, unanswerable to any.

>Sundering the Klingon Empire is a decision that is not reached lightly, but its one that has to be done, I think. Simply put, permanent peace with the Klingon Empire as it exists in Trek lore is simply not possible. They are conservative, xenophobic, hostile, warlike, aggressive, and prone to mysticism all traits that are antithetical to the Federation, which is liberal, open, diplomatic, conciliatory, and based in scientific exploration. This is leaving aside the whole Rura Penthe thing. The three Klingon states are, further, each meant to showcase different versions of the Klingons weve seen over the years basically, the Qo'noS Klingons are Gowron; the Korvat Klingons are Worf or Martok; and the Yov'bot Klingons are Duras or the TOS Klingons.

>Also these Klingons don't eat people.

FERENGI

>The Omega Event shattered their mercantile empire. The vast trade networks so lovingly and carefully constructed by the Ferengi were destroyed, and countless thousands of Ferengi were scattered in every corner of the Galaxy, creating large expatriate communities in many worlds. While some Ferengi were not deterred or else went mad and tried to re-establish the trade networks with sublight sleeper vessels, for the most part the Ferengi became refugees across many worlds. Ferenginar itself, meanwhile, still lies on the other side of an Omega barrier much like that which isolates Earth. What has happened there, none know.

>The Ferengi on different worlds are treated differently depending on the world they reside on; sadly, in many cases theyve become second-class citizens forced to become thieves and cutthroats. Within the nascent Federation, at least, theyre afforded equal status to humans and Tellarites. The Ferengi have fallen far, like the Klingons, and rebuilding the race and helping expatriate communities can be an ongoing subplot of the series. Overall, though, the Ferengi have largely made the best of their situation where they could.

>Individual Ferengi or even whole expatriate Ferengi groups would be quite happy to join the new Federation. As for Ferenginar itself well, I kind of like the idea that theyve been building up a starfleet and are looking to become galactic conquerors once the Omega Event fully fades away from there; bring back the original version of the Ferengi but execute it better this time. But maybe not.

And then there;s Bajor, who rules the quadrant with their stupid wooden solar sailboats that don't need no subspace.

In which case the timeline of JJTrek could be different all the way since the 60s.

A slightly different crew have gone back who make slightly different decisions.

When Scotty can only beam one back he beams back the Russian rather than the Black.

Due to shenanigans this causes a race riot.

I love the idea of Romulan & Vulcan unification.

I think your ideas would work best following a Federation diplomat/bureaucrat - the critics can call it TNG meets Yes Minister. Lots of travel and exploration, but not necessarily to "new" worlds, but to places referenced but rarely seen. Of course political drama with new species being diplomacy'd at.

We can follow the career of an idealistic Federation politician, explore how a utopian society might work, have some In The Thick Of It style farcical humor. And then it would get progressively darker with much more unsettling questions, culminating in a huge Federation schism, revelations of war crimes during the Dominion war, Vulcan and Romulan unification, anti-human sentiments (humanity being the worst offenders during Dominion war), and some truly insidious Starfleet leadership as the major antagonists.

But the team we follow sort it all out, cause of hope, and the power of stage acting gravitas.

Don't know what you'd call it though. It would be outside of Starfleet for the first time.

Essentially - Star Trek : What Curzon Dax job was.

So that's my basic setting; I never came up with any specific details as to the ship, other than the fact that it would NOT be an Enterprise...at first. As for the basic story of each season...

>SEASON 1
Introduce the crew of our ship, set about establishing the current state of affairs with Klingons, Andorians, Ferengi, etc. Use the opportunity to develop both Alpha Centauri and Tellar, who are critically underdeveloped. Season 1 focuses mostly on the new Federation trying to bring in new members; either new warp-capable species, or else getting old ones (Denobulans, natch) to re-join. Also the usual bevy of weird spatial phenomena.

>SEASON 2
Nominally more of the same for Season 2, but a lot more focused on serious examination of the old Federation and its values and ideals.

The Borg should put in an appearance here, too.

>SEASON 3
I'll admit this is where I've put most of my thoughts as to what would happen. Long story short: the very first episode involves the Korvat Klingons (the Worf/Martok-analogues) applying for Federation membership. The entire rest of the season is the fallout of this. The Andorians aren't fully on-board. The Qo'noS Klingons consider any attempt at doing this an act of war. The Yov'bot Klingons are manipulating events to suit their purposes. Section 31 is trying to screw over the entire thing out of misguided fear of Klingons joining the Federation (SEE Trek VI).

In the end, Section 31 destroyed the Hero Ship, but is itself defeated for good and with prejudice. The Korvat Klingons join the Federation, the Qo'noS Klingons recognize it, the Yov'bot Klingons scheme, and the last episode of Season 3 implies that the new hero ship for Season 4 will be the Federation's new Enterprise.

I actually had a different idea for Bajor, but it would be addressed in Season 4. Long story short: Cardassian-Bajoran Alliance, against the Dominion.

Long story long...

>The Alliance came into being when the Dominion made another go at taking over the Alpha Quadrant in the wake of the Omega Event; they managed to (barely) hold the line at the wormhole, bottlenecking the Dominion fleet. A stalemate currently exists.

>The Alliance has become more than one of convenience; the races within it (of which Cardassians and Bajorans are still the bulk) are equal partners, pooling resources and serving aboard ships built jointly by the two, which borrow from both Cardassian and Bajoran design philosophies (they tend to have large sail-like structures, like old Bajoran solar sail ships; as well as long tails as the Cardassians favor). However, the Alliance has occasionally needed to compromise morality for the sake of survival.

>It is my opinion that the Federation should never have a dark side to it; the Alliance is here to present a compromise with those who like the idea of a Federation dark side, however. Isolated from larger powers by the Omega Event and faced with potential invasion from the Dominion, the Alliance is willing to do what is necessary to survive, regardless of whether or not its right. They may have subjugated worlds for resources, for example, or played the Breen and the Tzenkethi against one another to keep them weak. However, even the Alliance has its hope spots exemplified by the fact that Cardassians and Bajorans can work alongside one another as true allies and comrades. The Cardassian occupation is not forgotten, but it has been forgiven.

>The Alliance is willing to join the Federation; the question is whether or not the Federation will want it to join, due to the skeletons in its closet as well as the threat of renewed war with the Dominion while the nascent Federation is still weak.

Sounds a bit like The West Wing (which is basically just American Yes Minister), so presumably you could call it "Articles of the Federation", after the Star Trek novel of the same name which was literally written to be a Star Trek version of The West Wing.

The funny thing about that pic is that we find out in another episode that he was fucking risian prostitutes just hours before the transplant.

We also find out that he only chose Jadzia as a host because she was pretty.

Which makes her chewing out of a potential host for not being good enough HILARIOUSLY hypocritical.

Yeah West Wing would be a better elevator pitch. Name isn't attention grabbing though.

Something like "Star Trek : Secession" would at least have people thinking it would be an exciting political sci fi drama, if they know what secession means.

Yeah, STO turned Romulans into adventurous space elves in designer jackets and long coats.
I can't decide if it's a good change or not.

I want off this wild ride.

ROMAN adventurous space elves in designer jackets, long coats and with PAULDRONS.

And I say yes.

More or less

I think it would be good if thier ship preferences changed to match. The Romulans still seem to prefer massive battleships and dreadnoughts like the D'Deridex, but adventurous space elves seem like they'd prefer to have smaller T'varos and the like.

Yeah, I stuck my team in a tiny Vaaduar Mansa which seemed like a good fit. Also fantastical engine trails.

The only real whales are the D'dex, freebie cruiser, Scimitar and Ent-J Romulan ship. The rest are reasonably sized with a lot of smaller and medium sized ships.

I like Star Trek Discovery, I think it's fun and fresh. The lead character has pleasant looks also.

I see many old trekkies saying "booh! This isn't TNG 2.0!"
but why should it be? If you want TNG then go watch TNG. Let a new show be something new.

$0.02 has been deposited in your account.

On this topic, do you think that the Federation has currency in order to trade with other races/unions/planets or is it all just trading goods?

They also gave us a good selection of new ships!

Probably depends on the other faction in question. Any trade agreement would including acquiring local currency which can then be spent in small amounts by any Federation personnel needing to work there.

Personally I really like the Ar'kif

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Yeah, honestly their Romulan lineup has been surprisingly solid. The only really objectionable ship they've put out would be the original T5 free ship.

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For some reason I can't make my Faeht look like that anymore, it's just always a really pale color and doesn't have the TRON lines.

No, I don't have a shield or the like equipped that changes the ship appearance.

Gold pressed Latinum seems to be the currency between space faring races in Star Trek, mainly due to fact that Latinum is one of few things replicators can't replicate.

Check the 'hull materials' thingy in the customization screen.

I like the more serial aspect of it, it allows for longer arcs I think. The episodic nature of the older series are good for shorter, self contained stories with character arcs throughout, but I think the latest episode had some good character moments as well an actual explanation of how the magic mushrooms work.
Although Staments doesn't need to be such a dick to his husband on the clock.
I know he's working and all but still.

With how casual they were, they're probably not married.

I think it was confirmed by the writers they are, I think Staments just tries to separate work and home a bit too much. Can't really do it on a starship

>you spin me right round baby right round like a record baby right round round round

Do we even know the doctor's name? I can't remember anyone's name in this show desu apart from Mikey and Spidey Sense.

The tardigrade was the only true hero in Discovery.

I wonder if the writers remember that it single handedly murdered a entire crew of the USS Glenn.

It murdered the Klingon boarding party and Lt. Commander Cylon. The crew of the Glenn were killed by a miscalculation in their Spore jump. Stamets mentions as much to Lorca and says he has corrected their error.

Mine would be 2389, just a couple of years after the destruction of Romulus. I'm envisioning a serialized show based around a group of young officers who graduated from Starfleet Academy together in the first episode. They're not all on the same ship, some may not even be on ships, so the perspective gets around a bit.

The first perspective is on Federation relations with the Romulans. In my head the Romulans were a heavily centralized state so the loss of the homeworld has severely impaired the administration of the Star Empire. Select Romulan worlds are in open rebellion while the leaders of the Romulan fleet are busy fighting for influence in the new power vacuum. With such impaired oversight, Romulan commanders are free to take the initiative into their own hands to strengthen the Star Empire, or their own prestige. This perspective is delivered by the crew of a mid sized ship (Think an Excelsior, but I'd use a newer design. Consider everything pre-TNG retired at this point) that is tasked with everything from cargo delivery to hosting diplomatic events to providing security in places the Star Empire has forgotten about.

The next perspective deals with the Klingons. The Klingon Empire has been having an identity crisis since time immemorial, but especially since the events leading up to the Dominion War when the Empire broke the Khitomer Accords in pursuit of a war of conquest against the Cardassian Union. The precedent this set lives on with some houses calling for the Empire to take the initiative and seize vulnerable Romulan territories while the opportunity persists. Other houses, seeking a new way forward for the Klingon people, are intent on de-emphasizing the way of the warrior and strongly opposed to meddling in Romulan affairs. Tensions between houses, between the Empire and the Romulans, and between the Empire and the Federation are rising rapidly.

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This perspective would be explored through the crew of a moderately sized ship with teeth (Something like the Akira) that is tasked with patroling along the Klingon border. Occasionally this ship might end up patroling the Klingon-Romulan border as well.

Another perspective comes from a small survey vessel working on the far side of Romulan territory. A product of the post-Nemesis Romulan-Federation rapprochement (and therefore not a result of the supernova) was that a select number of small exploratory vessels from each fleet would be allowed to operate within the other's space (with restrictions, of course). The specific Starfleet vessel of this setting (a Nova or Intrepid) has the mission of charting the distant border of Romulan space so that the Federation can gain more insight into the strategic situation the Star Empire faces in the present time. This crew is isolated from, but not ignorant of, the unraveling happening closer to home, and thus spends more time exploring strange new worlds than any of the other perspectives. Toward the end of season 1, this ship discovers something deeply unsettling on the edge of known space It's the Borg.

Other perspectives that I haven't really fleshed out could include DS9 and Starfleet Command. The DS9 setting allows us to take a look at the 'other' relief operation in Cardassian space. This would alow a look at what happens to a disaster area after a few years have passed and general interest has waned as newer, sexier problems have cropped up. This would also offer look at what is going on with Bajor in the aftermath of their emmisary's disappearance. The Starfleet Command perspective is centered on Earth and offers a look into the high level planning going on in relation to all of the previously mentioned problem zones. How is the admiralty preparing for a situation that could spiral into outright war?

Oh right. I thought it escaped and killed everyone. Thanks for correcting me.

>Wanted a better look at the Europa

I'd do a reboot, prime timeline is far too fucked up following Voyager and I'd rather not try to retcon the hell out of it until it can make sense.

Maybe go back to something like the JMS pitch, where we get TOS but with Babylon 5's arc-based writing where the series is clearly going somewhere but still has a lot of incidental stories along the way. I'd do a lot though to just build on the setting and characters. Really up the feel for the interplanetary community coming together to face the unknown and see what's out there. Lots of time for more personal stories rather than always having to have some crisis to deal with, because lets face it, a lot of the best episodes of star trek have been bottle-shows and character-dramas where sitting around talking about shit is the real meat of the story. Sure, there an be big dilemmas but a lot of it should be not all that big, but important to the people involved. Don't have to go threatening to blow up a planet when a single individual under threat can be just as, if not more, compelling.

And I'd make everyone on the cast likeable even where they are still somewhat flawed. The Orville's approach to people who are not insanely good at everything still just trying to do the right thing I've found pretty inspiring.
Bringing in the 'fleet' feel would be on the cards too, have the ship supported by reoccurring allies, neutrals and antagonists.

The overall arc would be the investigation of some serious weird shit happening across a few sectors, that builds into some sort of crisis. Not a war or anomaly though, something that needs people coming together to deal with rather than shooting or science!-ing away.

God damn that ship looks good. Well done, designer guys. I love all the background ships from STD, they all pretty much look great.

How great can they actually be? They don't spin.

Spinning is a good trick, but it clearly doesn't work out as future Starfleet ships don't spin either. My guess is the Klingons develop a spinning ship that spins in the opposite direction and this somehow fucks up the shroomweb, rendering Discovery's drive useless.

And that's why they're great.

>mfw my sister told me the discovery is the best trek ship because it spins and spinning is funny therefor it's great

>Just like AVP could work if they just put Aliens+Predators+Colonial Marines but no movie studio wants to make it happen.
The second movie was a goddamn teenage slasher flick.
Hollywood execs are the dregs who weren't smart enough for finance, tech, and industry, it seems.

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>We've had all of five minutes' exploration of the prime timeline in the past sixteen years.
Hopefully not even that, and the Ent-fucking-J got TCW'd into something more reasonable.

The Borg weren't destroyed, only Unimatrix One got fucked up by Janeway.

I think one thing the end of the TCW did is that it nixed the future that Daniels showed Archer. I sure got the impression that destroying the spheres changed the course of their future.

>Ent-JJ

Until Discovery I would have said it was the ugliest ship in Star Trek

>I sure got the impression that destroying the spheres changed the course of their future.
The impression I got was that the spheres needed to be destroyed to ensure that future.

I agree with this guy. The Sphere Builders went back to turn the Xindi against Earth because they saw that their alliance would defeat them.

I was referring to the Hobus and Spock bits of JJtrek.

This is a really cool setting idea - but the complete loss of contact is a little unbelievable from AC to Earth. Impulse drives still work in an area with subspace damage, so it might take a while but you'd have (sporadic, 30-40 year old) contact with Earth and only a ~10-year delay on lightspeed transmissions if either were capable of making them. Granted, some kind of "static" from the Explosive Space Modulation might fuck with that, but it'd need to be addressed with a 200-plus year time frame.

TBF, the Vulcans have already weathered at least one apocalypse that took them back to the stone age; quite possibly several, depending on how much stock you put into shit like "Spock's World" and the Fontana novels.
Also, the isolationist and reserved "well fuck, not again" Vulcans helps offset the "LET'S GET ROMULAN!" V's of "Enterprise"

I like the idea of a Tellarite XO being the cynical McCoy counterpart to an idealistic, naive, and hopeful Centauran captain. Over a few years you can watch the Tellarite finally grow some smiles over something that >isn't< schadenfreude and the Cap start to sack up.

I see YovBot as more of a Chang, but that's not a bad thing. Remember that the Worfs will probably go to QonoS, which means you'll have a lot of tension between the Realpolitik Gowrons and the mystic-warrior Worfs.

...you really don't need to make the Ferengi into MORE of a Jewish/Roma stereotype, dude.

And they fucked up so bad that they ended up worse off. If Enterprise had never been lured into the expanse it wouldn't have destroyed the spheres and wouldn't have put an end to the sphere builder threat several hundred years earlier than historical. Remember, from Daniel's POV, the attack on Earth should have never happened, nor should the Enterprise going into the expanse.

>Federation "dark side"
Continuing on here.. there's a large population of Humans in the Alliance - descended from the remains of the Maquis, colonists, and the only "real" Federation battlefleet. They're much more aggressive/ruthless than the Centaurans, and have gleefully interbred into several of the other populations in the area. They also live largely on reservations carved out of the old Federation DMZ colonies, often recruited by Human "first-contact specialists" from the nascent Alliance. They work as mercenaries and see the re-forming Federation as a nigh-religious return of "reinforcements" for the New Dominion Wars.
Meanwhile the Bajorans have at least three competing prophecies about the Feddies and the Cardassians are a mite butthurt but seriously in need of assistance.

I would further add that Jake and Cassidy were both on Bajor at the time of the Omega Incident, so that the Bajorans deal not just with the Kai and the Vedek Assembly, but with the Sons of the Emissary as a factor in their spiritual life. Depending on the tone of the campaign you could play them off as a mix of Bajoran, Human, old Federation sensibilities, and a dash of clairvoyance brought on by Sarah's legacy as a Prophet, or just a bunch of irrelevant Bajorans spouting WE WUZ EMISSARIES N SHIET nonsense.

Cryptic does it again! The new Miracle Worker ship.....

wut

It's like the Prometheus had sex with a clothes iron.

Prometheus-chan is pure. PURE!

Can someone give me a rundown on Discovery? I have half a day off tomorrow and I wish to know both Pros and Cons of the series before I waste a few hours.

Honestly, you should watch it yourself to see how you feel about it. It's quite divisive. See how you think of it.

If the Deflector was higher up it would be far better looking in a brutal functional sort of way.

Ideally such a ship would be commanded by an eastern European who starts every other sentence with "you see comrade".

Ow, my sense of aesthetics!
Make it stop! It burns!

God *damn* that is fucking horrible. Jesus, Cryptic, what the fuck are you even doing.

It's weird how Cryptic actually started putting out some really nice designs leading up to Delta Rising, but then started heading back downhill again after that came out....

Every time Cryptic has to do a 25th century Fed ship they fuck it up. Everything else is mostly good.

Checkd on the Memoey beta for this RPG and couldnt find anything.

What Im looking for was like Star Trek d20 Modern and it was based off of the Star Trek Battles setting

Anyone know what im talking about? Had several books

The 2409 ships were generally pretty good though. It's the 2410 designs that are going back downhill.

A series about Star Fleet Academy, marketed toward tweens, with a cast of cadets and filled with teen drama. Put it on the CW or some shit.

Is it something I would watch? No. But I'm interested in making the franchise money.

You might be thinking of GURPS Prime Directive.

sjgames.com/gurps/books/primedirective/

There's Prime Directive d20 and Prime Directive d20 Modern. PDd20M is only available online, and PD d20 isn't worth shelling out money for,

Here's the link for the rule set. I can't tell you whether or not PDd20M is any good. I haven't been willing to pay for it because PDd20 is absolute garbage.

>starfleetgames.com/prime/pd-d20m.shtml