Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

Sisters will get an update due to their popularity and not because of an extremely vocal minority.

>Someone at GW splits off their pet faction
>Repeat until bloated and bleeding money.
>"Alright gentlemen, we've got 87 factions."
>Squat all poorly selling/non-pet factions.
>Someone at GW splits off their pet faction.

Tyranids are weaker than Chaos

This is truly a ridiculous statement, because no sane person would think Guard are anything but OP in the first place.

What they should have done is slowly replaced the space marine line with primarus scale models allowing for both to be used (just like you can still use old metal models) and at the same time beefing SM up to primarus level rules.
That way you don't have to upset the fanbase with garbage excuses of why they exist, make more dynamic models (like the tactical marines) and support chaos marines.

Whats the army to play if I want to hit things in melee very hard

Has anyone tried the Dagger of Tu'Sakh? I have quite a few outflanking and deepstriking units and I was thinking of doing a plasma vet squad with a commander with the dagger to join in.

I just hope Snakebitez get something.

Khorne Daemons
Tyranids
World Eaters
Grey Knights

Blood Angels

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I imagine part of it has to do with more copyrightable names, desu.

Yeah the Primaris fluff is absurdly thin. It's clear that GW just wanted to make big chunky Marines in light of the better scaled "human sized" models, as seen with the steady size creep in general (TSons, Genestealer Cults.)
But, being terrified of the spergs with 15,000 points of manlet marines, they had to invent some half-baked excuse so as not to "invalidate" the old models.

Because new model lines make more money than updating models that already have plastic.

You will never see updated CSM squads. TSons and Death Guard style releases with brand new units are the name of the game now.

To be honest if the primarus models were based on making current SM bigger I think I would quite like them (hell I've been trying to do that myself). But would it have invalidated old marines though? I play against people with decades old models and don't bat an eye.

I dunno man what kind of hit hard are you looking for

That woman has a spine

>Aaaah!Aafter 10,000 years I'm free! It's time to conquer Earth!!

Like this

While I agree that the fluff for primaris could certainly have been handled better, I don't actually mind the idea of new, better marines after 10,000 years.

The fact that it also allows a handful of heresy era marines to make it to M41 in an non-contrived way also helped.

Everybody does. I've still got a 3rd edition metal Chaplain kicking around, repainted him about 12 fucking times. My IG tanks are led around by the first plastic Russ kit. But you just know that people would freak out that they've "wasted" all their time and money on slightly shorter marines.

Just fuck my shit up

Bruh, some people need to get a life. My FLGS is basically just me and my buddies since we've eradicated those kind of dudes.

I dont know man. An army that can fuck things up in melee, preferably with some meat on it's bones so it dosnt just vaporize after it killed something in cc

Yeah but you want lots of guys or not so many guys? Big guys (4u) or small guys?

Did GW stop making those metal Mordians? Would getting these be a sin? I've never bought anything non GW.

You laugh but I've played against one of those naughts quite recently.

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That's actually pretty bad ass. Like getting into a brawl with the robot from Lost in Space

>I've never bought anything non GW.
You poor thing.

Fucking do it user holy shit. Vic Lamb is easily my favorite purchase for 40k this year.

E R A D I C A T E D

>But would it have invalidated old marines though?
No, it's not like GW hadn't replaced an old model with a significantly bigger one plenty of times before.

The amount of sky is falling shit despite them not replacing anything is ridiculous though.

Daily reminder that there is a Space Marine homeworld named Birmingham

I guess big for me dudes. I just want to murder peps in melee and maybe they get the chance to attack another squad.
Googleing big guts did not get me the images I wanted

Are you trying to tell me they arent going to squat manlet marines?

Has anyone experimented with using real cloth on miniatures? I want to put some hooded cloaks on scions, but know for definite that I'll fuck it up if I use greenstuff.

I just one better non mutant gorilla guards, human proportions nothing fancy

The guy who had them is almost sixty and has been playing casually since trader. Awesome bloke and we convinced him to bring in an army of old marines. I'll have to take a pic next time we do it.

Lots of big dudes: tyranid MCs
Not so many big dudes: daemons with lots of Greater Daemons and Princes

That's probably where the Confederate land speeder comes from.

Just use skitarii hooded heads or glade guard hooded heads

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Makes me wonder how the models would have looked if GW did Ad Mech in the rogue trader era

Ok so my friend wants to pick up some tanks to play armoured guard (he's just finished his khorne force consisting of daemon engines plus berzerkers in rhinos) and is thinking of picking up recast dkok russes to run with gw rules. would this trigger anyone? he'd pick up a standard russ for pask of course

Mars Alpha russes are bigger than normal russes by about 1.2x in terms of length and a hair taller, not including the trench rails.
So, no, I wouldn't care. He's modeling for disadvantage, really.

Damn, lucky you. I'd love to see some LCBR style perspective shots in a battle against old school armies

I look forward to my marines getting rarer and more old school cred.

Could the 40k universe have portal guns? I've been playing lots of portal, 40k and black crusade RPG and now feel the need to do something about it.

It would trigger jews and communists for sure, him toting his nazism around and all.

No. Not how teleportation works in this setting.

>he's modelling for disadvantage
ye but he saving $50 per tank minimum, so I don't think it matters too much
>40k portal gun
yeah it's called vortex weapons, except you only get to go into the warp
maybe if someone used a vortex weapon inside the warp we'll see some cool shit happen

No. Contain your shitty crossover fanfic to somewhere that isn't here.

he is sort of alt right, so idk
also is recast fw also nazi?

H-how good are DG at melee heavy lists
Haven't played since the start of 7th and just saw DG. That huge armor, those huge fuck your shit scythes. That Lord of Contagion axe, yes please.

I unironically like this model. If I recall correctly there are two other similar ones and one of them is cool too (I might just be remembering ones with different paint jobs desu)

Ok just brainstorming shit here:
> Black Crusade tm in the warp?
> Playing demon characters in Black Crusade tm?
> How would portal gun rules work in a different wargame? Maybe as artillery?

fw is always nazi my dude, it's the no. 1 way to get yourself jailed in merkelland.

Can Deathwatch use the Primaris Fist/Plasma Pistol Captain?

Plasma or grav for Kataphron Destroyers? Found a nice possible conversion to allow me to essentially do another box of them, so I figured I'd make an escort unit to run with and power up my Kastelans.

Handy thing about playing DarkMech is that instead of actually replacing a body part that doesn't fit the look sometimes you can just replace it with a nest of coiled cables with maybe a lens or something, and you can make those from greenstuff.

>he doesn't know that a war is won by logistics, not weapons
a portal gun would allow for instantaneous transfer of supplies, that shit's op

They're viable at close combat. They focus more on the "I can take an axe to the face and still keep fighting" approach. Bonus points if you run a swarm of poxwalkers, cause those fuckers can take hold of objectives like it's nobodies business.

That doesn't help me with the cloaks

Why did the robot need to be able to smoke?

After doing some basic multiplication I have found that there are at minimum 68,719,476,736 Bloodletters in Warhammer 40,000, assuming a unit is comprised of 8 Daemons. Far, far, more if all units are composed of 30.

Likewise, there are exactly 134,217,728 Bloodthirsters. Who each control a host of 8x8 units of Khorne Daemons. Assuming each unit is a pack of Bloodletters, I came up with the above number.

Why didn't the robot need to be able to smoke?

They aight if supported well; You've got a lot of tools that can dump mortal wounds on folks at close/melee range.

Dethwatch can't use Primaris so no?

looking at your picture makes me realise I need to get a 5th box of skitarii... I got plenty of normal dudes but lack special weapons and didn't bother magneziting them all except the alpha's.

>I can take an axe to the face and still keep fighting
perfect

> there are exactly 134,217,728 Bloodthirsters
Where is that number stated desu? Not trying to be a dick just genuinely curious.

If they can use the normal primaris captain then yes. I cant actually remember if they can though.

You're dumb and need to read a book* (*supplementary pdf released by games workshop)

The Khorne Daemonkin codex states that there are 8 circles of Bloodthirsters and that each Bloodthirster commands 8 other Bloodthirsters in each circle, with the Bloodthirster at the very top being Anggrath. Or summat like that, someons else with the KdK codex calculated the number of Bloodthirsters, I just used the number myself, but I could calculate it myself if I redownloaded the Codex though.

They can use the normal Primaris Captain, yes.

Thank you for the clarification.

68 billion Bloodletters isn't that massive an amount really. That's about the number of Fire Caste the Tau Empire would have total. I know there's other daemons and auxilaries, but that's not the most dramatic showing for the Legions of Hell.

Anything else?

I used axe as an example, but it can get more ridiculous. Gameplay wise, most of your punchy dudes have an ability called "disgustingly resilient", which means that when your guys take a wound, they get to roll a dice and on a 5+ they don't take that wound.

So it could be an axe. Or the foot of a titan. Or a lascannon shot to the gut. Or a fucking orbital bombardment.

Combined with your naturally high toughness stats and high strength + attacks + good choice in weapons and voila; Your guys will be hard to kill and hit hard.

considering that bloodletters are immortal and multiples of the same daemon can exist at once, I think putting hard numbers to warp entities is kind of futile.

So I'm tired of always running fluffy trash lists that get fucking rolled. Where do I go to view WAAC Tourney lists so I can Netlist like a champ?

This guys have both

Well user remember it doesn't matter what list you run if your tactics are shit you are going to get rolled

You generally have to pay for those.

You have bad maths son:
8^8 bloodthirsters = 16,777,216
Minmum of 64 bloodletters to each bloodthirster = 8^8 x 64 = 107,3741,824
Also keep in mind that higher up bloothirsters have many more than 64 bloodletters.

Sounds lovely. Is the Dark Imperium a good place to start if I split the box? Also what the fuck are Primaris Marines? Just true scale sm?

Not to bad I guess, comparable to the number of humans

But can I use cloth on models?!?!

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1,073,741,824*

>comparable to the number of humans
On a single Hive World, maybe

I accidentally deleted my reply so I’ll just do the TL;DR version of it, which is that I am likely misremembering the correct numbering as well as the fact that I got the number of Bloodthirsters from someone who had the codex. I’ll redownload it and post the passage so we can see the correct math.

And of course Bloodthirsters would have more than 64, I just used the bare minimum as a minimum.

Where does it say they can use a primaris captain?