/swg/ Another one bites the dust Edition

Figure out what you want them to do/find there and plan accordingly. Like, if you want combat, separatists. If you want to find anything cool/usable consider a clone base. Is your party the type to scavenge every single usable thing?

So far they are hilariously strapped for cash. Like, unable to pay a hundred creds for medical care strapped. This is their first big(ish) opportunity.

>upcoming "dark, gritty and cinematic" Star Wars RPG
Oh, yes, becouse Shit Effect and The Gay Republic were such a great games.

So I have a really entertaining character idea for FFG Star Wars, but I have no idea which career/specialization would be best.
>A Gungan kicked out for being a violent, xenophobic rabble-rouser who hates being stereotyped.
Basically a Black Panther, if you will.
I definitely know I want to focus on outdoors survival/combat, but I don't know what options would fit best.

Sounds like they need to loot an old republic outpost for anything not bolted down and spotwelded to the floor.

>droids
>medical supplies and equipment
>arms and munitions
>long-range comm equipment
>portable shield generators

All this can be flogged to outer rim frontier worlds for hard credits if you know the right guy, who knows the right guys, you know what i mean.

If you want to make it a challenge add in local hostile flora, fauna and environment.
Maybe it is situated in what was once a dormant volcanic caldera that's now coming back to life and will engulf the outpost in magma when it pops.
Maybe some aggressive local fauna has made its den in the base. Fight it, create distractions or sneak around it.
Maybe the very air on the planet is hazardous without sealed suits, or it eats through sensitive flight electronics. How will the PCs deal with the fact they have to wait for evac if things go south?

But the gay republic was an mmo

Yeah ME 1 and 2 and KotoR 1 and 2 were great games shitposter-kun.

>ME2
>great in any way
user please

So the YT-1300 is the EotE CRB lists its crew as 1 pilot 1 co-pilot/engineer. Do its guns fire from the pilot seat now or does turret-mounted mean it needs a gunner (if so, why the fuck doesn't it list it like every other ship?)

>ME2
>Great
Everything bad about ME3 started in ME2. The warning signs were there.

If i recall there was a option to fire the turrets in a fixed forward position from the co-pilot seat with reduced accuracy. Having gunners would be optimal but in a pinch slaving the turrets to the co-pilot console was a option.

While I agree, isn't that sort of irrelevant?

Mass Effect 2 was great, but the fact that it disregarded all the narrative momentum, world-building, and RPG elements of the first game (which was itself great) are what set ME3 up for failure.

I don't see that listed anywhere, and it looks like a lot of freighter-sized ships have the same issue with listing gunners. That does make sense, though.

Might have been something Han spliced in as a after-market thing to the Falcon.

Yeah, but for my players, what does it mean? It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense that they would just do away with gunners entirely on so many ships, given the sheer level of familiarity the franchise as a whole has with that imagery. It's also bothering me because I can also really vaguely recall something about the copilot being able to fire turret mounted weapons in a pinch, but I can't find one instance of it in the CRB.

fuck

ME2 wasn't great but it had the best crew of them all and better gameplay than 1.

I'd just assume every turret weapon needs a gunner, with GM fiat if they can be slaved to co-pilots console with reduced accuracy

>no MC-75 preview
>regionals dates still not announced

please

Storywise ME2 should have taken place before ME1

>best crew
Im sorry?

>better gameplay
They supposedly polished the shooting a bit, made everything reload based for no reason, and yanked out 90% of the rpg mechanics.
How is that better gameplay? If you wanted a shitty shooter, there were a million others on the market.

That's basically what I'm doing, but muh secret autism is not goddamn happy that I have to make that call without in-book backup.

Now i recall where i read it. It's from the end part of The Courtship of Princess Leia.
Actual Spoiler if you haven't read the book.
It's from when Luke goes full battle meditation, flying the falcon like a snubfighter AND controlling the turrets from Chewies co-pilot console with far greater accuracy then they should have from a slaved console

>Mordin
>Legion
>Jack
>Grunt
All great and much better than Ashley or Kaiden

Local fauna is a good idea, but also a player has triggered his Obligation the previous session and a Bounty Hunter is tracking them to take him in alive

Mordin was fun, I'll give you that.
Legion was so-so.
Jack was obnoxious.
Grunt was shitwrex.

I'd take Wrex over Grunt but Jack, Mordin and Legion are in the Best crewmembers list

>Legion was so-so.
Fuck you legion was great

/swg/ I...

Go Republic then.

Wrex >>>>>> Grunt.

Mordin and Legion i liked.
Ashley >/= Miranda, imo
Garrus is GOAT wingman

The game itself was stated by testers to be unfun and the game was transferred to a different developer to be reworked into something enjoyable.

EA doesn't hate gaming and gamers, they just don't understand why the shitty stuff they do gets hate from gamers.

Forgot to mention the only good new crew member in 3 was based Javik. And Samara was hot as fuck in 2 and the superior Asari.

So they essentially have GameDev Autism. Check.

>The game itself was stated by testers to be unfun

Does this mean anything? How do we know the testers aren't just people who dislike RPGs or whatever?

>EA hates gaming and gamers
No, they're just run by the average group of shareholders who scream "maximize profit". Games are an art and most of them either don't understand or don't respect that idea. Once you get away from how they treat games, like them screaming "everything must have multi-player" they're okay.
I've had nothing but good experiences with EA Origin support, and if you buy a super old game like wing commander from EA it will be playable without 3rd party patches, unlike an old fallout game off steam.

>Games are an art

Mordin was fun, sure.
Legion, I literally had to google because I forgot the beeboop generic robot. Plus, geth are probably my favorite thing about the setting, but I don't want one of them fuckers on board.
Jack was basically a tumblr meme.
Grunt was a shitty Wrex. Then again, I killed Wrex, so I'll take something over nothing.

I'm just sad that ME2 spoiled my Pax Humana runs by making me waste time with ayylmaos instead of filling it out with humans. I enjoyed my violently racist Mass Effect run which basically ended the first game with >Imperial march plays proudly. Even if the death of Kaiden made me bring along Garrus as a manservant.

Also, Kaiden and Ashley actually have fairly interesting backstories, from Ashley's whole sins of the father shtick Kaiden being a horrifying medical experiment with an expiration date.

EA said it, so it must be true. EA would never lie to us, user. EA loves us.

They should bring back the testers they employed during development of the N64 Rogue Squadron game(s). They are the reason why some missions are so balls-to-the wall hard.

>testers go over the level with a fine comb over and over
>testers git gud
>level becomes "too easy"
>devs dial up difficulty
>rinse and repeat for 6-8 months

Can I interest you in purchasing some EA stock? You'd fit right in.

>no inquisicopter flight ability
I'm disappointed, but not surprised.

Games are more complicated now. Six to eight months of testing doesn't result in the same level of fine combing, there's more to go over.

I don't know if you want to use Courtship as an in-book backup though.

Anyone who's read it knows it's among the dumbest and most incoherent EU stories.

Not as actively terrible as herky-jerky TIE fighters of the Nu Era because at least it's got the so-bad-it's-good thing going for it, but definitely not anything that should be taken seriously or used as canon.

But that's just my opinion man.

Jesus Christ you have shit taste.

He's not wrong about the second part. The setting would've been drastically more fun with an all human council that doesn't dismiss everything you say because "muh upstart humans, they haven't even been on the council for that long and they already want us to believe in this thing we can observe happening."

Kaiden and Ashely are boring two dimensional characters and actively drag the game down. Also Jack isn't Tumblr in the slightest.

I said second part, numb nuts, not first part.

How come this NEVER comes up again?

Because they don't need to stun all that often. They're storm troopers not city guards.

Because that scene was the only time when anyone was interested in capturing as opposed to just killing. Same reason you never hear about Tasers in military combat.

But I agree, it's a poorly under used concept that deserves mores attention.

So do you not watch TCW or Rebels?

I hate many, many things about old EU, but one of them is carbonite. EU always has this delusions, that if a thing is done in the movies, they must do it too, over and over again, whether it makes sense or not.
There's a reason Han was frozen in carbonite - Vader and his goons didn't know whether it would kill Luke or not, so they needed a test subject. Yet in the EU, people are being frozen in carbonite left in right, in every era. SWTOR even has a carbonite gun that allows you to freeze people without a huge packing machine. Sure would be handy to Boba!

They use it tons in the various cartoons

That image was made by a fucking 14 year old. I'd know. I used to make awful shit like it.

Speaking of 14 year olds, does anyone have this big, very funny image that has Darth Revan choking Mickey Mouse while screaming "I'M NO LEGEND" amongst other things?

I thought it was used well in the Tales of the Jedi comics.
Though it was for an execution rather than preservation

>crankier than a midget with a yo-yo
Using this.

You guys think they'll reuse/base assets off of the ones from 1313? I know it's a lot like EA to completely scrap projects almost done, but still.

Nah. 1313 is proper dead and buried

Why do publishers love locking away projects after throwing away cash and time, especially if devs were answering to them? Wouldn't it be more cost effective to resuse assets?

First 1313, then this. Same thing happened with Prey 2.

Reminder that the stand-alone Han Solo movie has gotten a official name.

It will be called "Solo: A Star Wars Story".

>Solo: A Star Wars Story".
daily reminder you have a responsibility to vote with your fucking wallet
Also, not naming it
>Solo Wars
>Star Solo
>A Solo Hope
>The Phantom Solo
>Han & Hon
i mean it's garbage but atleast it's playing with it

>Not Paradise Snare
>Not Hutt Gambit
>Not Rebel Dawn
>Not Han Solo at Stars' End
>Not Han Solo's Revenge
>Not Han Solo and the Lost Legacy

Assets get reused almost always. I can guarantee you that 1313 assets were used in other games, some of which are not even SW.

Problem with reusing assets is that most of the time they need to be modified to fit other newer assets because if you don't you end up with game from Steam Greenlight (asset flip monstrosity) and as assets are modified they no longer look the same as in their original form. Also sometimes modifying existing assets might not be economical so they get binned and forgotten.

>Why do publishers love locking away projects after throwing away cash and time
You are thinking with sunk cost fallacy with this one. Many cancelled projects have come to a point that it would be net loss even if successful (meeting original sales estimate) and pouring even more money into it would be really bad business.

>Han Solo at Stars' End
I really enjoyed this one back in the day desu
they should have just remade the Young Indiana Jones tv series in SPACE

Netflix live-action SW show when?

>live-action
No, user. We need to think bigger.

Wasn't there a live action SW show in the making but it got canned before they filmed the pilot episode? I remember reading about a SW show ages ago but nothing came off it.

Yeah it was about a young Boba Fett. Can't remember what happened to it.

The Holiday special?

Yeah, it was called Star Wars Underworld
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Underworld
But it was stuck in development hell/nothing happened with it for a decade. Honestly I don't think it was ever coming out, it was probably something George liked to talk shit about on occasion the same way he talked about the sequels. I mean, if George wanted to make a show or a movie it would have happened.
Fun fact, they did make a star wars porn parody using the same name. Go figure! Even porn makers are hardcore fans

I know it's a fallacy, but I'm curious about the parameters that big-name publishers use to sink in-progress projects - in the case of Prey 2, it seemed like animosity between BethPub and Human Head. 1313 looked finished, but I'm also curious as to why they pulled the plug - cover-shooting mechanics? Legal issues?

I'm hoping with the rise of Digital Distributing, Publishers can't use "well we'd need to manufacture CDs' as an excuse".

>Even porn makers are hardcore fans
I keep going to that one star trek porno that had a set and costumes that matched or even beat the quality of what was on the television

I get the impression that 1313 was still very early in development. the only gameplay we saw was a few short minutes of a scripted sequence.

Before TCW game out, there was also a lot of talk that GL was shopping around for a place for a SW TV show - and IIRC the pitch was very similar to what Rebels is. I guess he just found cartoons easier than people.

Two questions:
>1. How many starfighters would your average Alliance sector force have right around the Battle of Yavin?
>2. How spread out would said fighters be? How many would be stationed aboard carriers, and how many would be stationed dirtside?

Never, disney thinks they can make their own netflix with blackjack and hookers and that's strained relationships a bunch

>Attacked by A-wings
>Better scramble the TIE Bombers first
Oh man, I bet Vader and HR had a field day with that carrier's commanding officer.

Might have only had bombers on hand, where other ships that it is meant to be with run the fighters/interceptors

there is no such thing as an average sector force for the rebels. It's going to be really, really weak with a few exceptions. Consult Rebel alliance sourcebook which talks about it, including:
"The Alliance had thousands of Sector Forces. Each Sector Force usually began with existing organized resistance forces whose leadership agreed to be bound by treaty to the Rebel Alliance. Due to the variety of Sector Forces, no standard order of battle existed, and it was difficult to describe any of them as even "typical" in their organization. Rebel historian Arhul Hextrophon, however, once described the Atrivis Sector Force as a useful model"

Bombers are heading away from the A-Wings.
It's obviously an ambush type situation.

That was what eventually became known as Underworld. Supposedly they had a lot of scripts prepared for it, but George wanted movie-level effects on a TV series, so the budget was going to be ridiculously high - I heard up to $20 million an episode.

So it got shelved, and some parts of the idea were used for other works, including TCW and 1313.

I don't believe they said that the live action show was going to be about Fett, but they did say that about 1313.

Exact opposite. They charged me twice for one game. I appealed it. They didn't respond. I appealed again. No response. Finally had the bank put a hold on the transaction.

Get permabanned from all online games running on Origin. Wasn't allowed to appeal that either.

EA hates gamers. They have no respect for them and will laugh at how much preorder cash flows in from a single preview trailer.

>A-Wings attacking a capital ship
>none of the shots going anywhere near any of the Tie Bombers
>A-wings all coming from same direction, look like their gonna all collide
>Tie Bombers just fucking about in every direction

holy shit none of these guys dont know what they are doing

Digital Distribution came about decade ago. Anyone can publish and sell a game, even on Steam. BUT if you can't generate enough viral interest like that truck hopping game you are not going to get noticed, this is why publishers are needed today: to market as there are way too many games being released every day. Look at the budget of Bf 1 and 50% of that is marketing just to let people know that this game is coming out and worth your money (it was not).

1313 was in alpha stage and what was shown was proof of concept to sell idea of gritty SW story with good action mechanics and setting. I think it was mix of Disney meddling and feature creep vs falling profit estimate that killed the game. On Prey 2... that was just shitshow almost as bad as canning literally ready BF3.

Guys, I desire campaign stories.

well, i was talking about the Imperial campaign i was running based off of AoR if youre interested?

oh, absolutely! I havn't heard. Was looking for imperial inspiration myself.

Well the party is broken down into a 5 man team, consisting of an ISB agent and a squad of Stormtroopers assigned to him as support.

ISB Officer (Commander Tactician)
Stormtrooper (Soldier Sharpshooter)
Stormtrooper (Soldier Medic)
Scout Trooper (Spy Scout)
Scout Trooper (Engineer Saboteur)

Their first mission was as part of a larger taskforce where they ended up being led on a Snipe hunt through a hellish jungle hunting after a known Imperial traitor and a group of non-alliance rebels helping him.

Throughout the mission they got to know the whole of their platoon, they got to know the variety of fellow troopers they fought alongside, their gruff but well meaning sergeant who saved their lives through action and advice, their sleazy quartermaster who got them some extra rations for being buddies, the strict anal retentive commanding officer who always assumed responsibility for his platoons actions and did his level best to keep officer politics from affecting his troops.

And then the snipe hunt turned into a meat grinder as they began to get picked off by snipers, ambushes, mines, primitive traps and suicide bombing droids.
I cut them to a fraction of their original force before the 5 of them managed to pick up the traitors real trail and finally catch him.

When they finally found the guy "extracted" all the intel they could from the guy in the most painful ways they could come up with before ignoring the fact that they were ordered to bring him in alive if possible and dropping him a pit with what were essentially leopards with six legs and saw blade like teeth.

The idea as you can likely tell was to frame the Empire as being made up of their friends, practically family, while the Rebels were murderers and bastards and the worst of them all were those were former Imperials who had turned traitors.

I went from having a party of "Imperials" who were playing their roles, to having a squad of heavily patriotic idealist jackboots who see the Rebels as the worst kind of terrorist. To the point where they forfeited the better rewards (and promotion) for capturing the traitor alive and instead summarily executed him for killing their "brothers".

As a result of their "success" they were deployed on an ongoing mission on a relatively small and minor world in the Mid Rim where they are npw.
Its only real important feature is its offworld shipyards which have been tasked with decommissioning old Republic era starships, fighters and other military hardware.
This has unsurprisingly a great deal of corruption and criminal activity centered around appropriating and selling this hardware.
This then necessitated the Empire to tighten its grip on the planet and crack down on the population.
As a result its soured the local populace and attracted a Rebel cell, interested primarily in taking advantage of the populaces feelings and access to all the Republic military gear.

Theyve been involved in a couple skirmishes with criminal elements, stings on Rebel sympathizers and an attempted raid on a suspected Rebel hideout. With only limited success they are now trying to track those responsible for an attack on the local Imperial Academy. which was the latest in a string of attacks on civilian Imperial facilities and institutions.

Suffice to say they reeaaally hate the Rebels and anyone who helps them right now.

Take your pick, I can relate the story of how

The Sentinel was chased by an Inquisitor through an asteroid field and just could not escape

The party assaulted an underwater imperial research base

Or what happens when you play Onslaught at Arda I at higher EXP levels.

Last one please