Why are players so entitled?

Why are players so entitled?

Because you think you owe them something.
That's what the word entitled means.
Next time use a dictionary instead of asking me.

The traditional paradigm of forces between GM and player needs to be broken.
Play more games where the narrative and creative roles are distributed among all partecipants.
Learn to let go.

And stop making this thread plz.

It all comes down to the weight of responsibility between player and GM. All the players have to do is show up to the session whereas even the laziest GM has to put some work into their game. Since the players never see the amount of work a GM has to do it gives the the mistaken assumption that the GM simply conjures the game up out of thin air with ease and thus lessens their appreciation for his work. On top of this many players, unfortunately, enjoy the power trip TTRPG's give and demand the GM essentially jack them off.

Who's the one calling themselves the "Game/Dungeon MASTER" again?

>muh story
>muh sandbox
>muh rule of cool
at some point, it was decided that the storytelling was the most important part, that YOU had to tell YOUR story. that the game and the mechanics were completely optional if it didn't bow down to the almighty story. think of all the posts you've read here or anywhere agonizing over character concepts, not about how the character fits into the game or the party, but the individual character.
fuck that, anyway

>A single person responding with anything other than a correction on his word usage
>multiple even
Oh no.

>at some point, it was decided that the storytelling was the most important part, that YOU had to tell YOUR story.
And we know who's to blame for that.

Why do I have a thing for women in big stupid 16th century clothing?

Yo where do I find lewds of women in this fashion?

If you find out tell me too.

Because they're legendary heroes who're held in high regard by the aristocracy, of course

OP's pic is 18th, which do you prefer?

I mean I lean more 16th, but I wouldn't turn up my nose to a century or two in either direction.

I can't speak for the other guy though.

Because the gm does not TPK enough.

Corsets, very feminine dresses and the idea of fucking a stuck up female noble?

Could be, since that all sounds great.

learn to count you dumb cocksucker faggot, I just got up to shit and shitpost

>i just got up to shit and shitpost
Can someone make this into a banner

>ywn tear a teasing, smug noblewoman out of her petticoats and corset

user stop

she has nudes in the film (amadeus)

>ywn be pretty sure she's treating you so mockingly in public so you're more insatiable in private

what makes you say this? It sounds like you have a story you want to tell, to vent.

Why are you not posting them?

subservient GMs that "are happy when they are happy", aka matt colville GMs. player satisfaction is a necessary but not a sufficient condition. these GMs cuddle their players, making them spoiled and feeling entitled.

You have a bad group, I'm perma GM and only once I had a problem with a player

What sprung this question up OP?
C'mon, tell us what happened. We won't bite much if you're actually in the right.

All I want is to create the character I want.
Give me a list of the options. Tell me what I can and can't do. Let me put the stats where I want. Let me pick the race. Let me pick the class. Stop trying to suggest races and classes and trying to push options on to me. I will listen and probably accept any suggestions I am given after I create my baseline character.

This is the only thing I feel a player is entitled to. I give my players that and I when I'm playing I want just that.

>"are happy when they are happy"
I mostly just say that as a cop out answer. I don't want to physically tell the players I had fun throwing X, Y, and Z at them because once I open my mouth I won't shut up. I'll end up telling them stats and I might end up telling them what's in the future.

Couldn't agree more. I normally only run/play in games with friends, but I recently decided to branch out and join in with a group from a college dnd club.

Oh my god it's the fucking worst. It's all so very me-centric. A complete wish-fulfulliment game. The players basically tell the GM exactly what they want to happen in any given session to advance their character's personal story.

I don't understand. If all you want to do is sit around writing fan fiction about your self-insert character, why even roll dice?

I don't know but at least it's a great red flag. I blacklist anyone I see acting like that.

cuz he's lying she's only topless

>multiple even
You need to rub your eyes.

Those aren't unreasonable things to ask, its not like hes telling an existing GM to change his game. All he's doing is trying to put together a game, some people legitimately like GMing.

jesus christ.
>pls run game X Y and Z to my exact specifications
I now can understand where the "GMing for money" meme came from.
Let me tell you a story.
I started a Pathfinder campaign.
They wanted political intrigue.
Well one player did, and the rest agreed.
Not the campaign I really wanted to run.
But I did it.
We finally get to the political intrigue part, and what does the player who requested it do?
He goes upstairs to play video games.
Now I am looking for a way to end this PF campaign but I've run it for a year now so I feel invested in it as well.
Do not let players set the expectations. Run a good game, they will adapt. If they want to control things so much, let them be the fucking GM.

I'm now a little concerned. I'm in a West Marches style game where the campaign's goal is to explore the nearby area and find loot/monsters/adventure. As I participate in these adventures I take the individual specific goals of my character and try to progress those during the journey, while assuming that my companions are doing the same. Are you saying I should focus more on achieving their goals as well? I mean if they asked me for help I'd be happy to, but no one has approached me in or out of character.

WHo is this boner condoner?

Because they never GMed in their lives. Reverse the roles at least once and they'll slowly change.

Elizabeth berridge from Amadeus

>Oh my god it's the fucking worst. It's all so very me-centric. A complete wish-fulfulliment game. The players basically tell the GM exactly what they want to happen in any given session to advance their character's personal story.

This can absolutely work, but it has to be established beforehand that you're running a sandbox game and not really running your own story.