If you were forced to make witches and wizards two distinct groups, how would you do it?

SETTING

Wizards get big stick
Witches get little stick

Magic use requires finetuning your mind, body and soul into a magic machine. Men and women naturally end up minmaxed for different energies and thus different kinds of magic.

So a wizard might draw power from the sun, while a witch deals in moon magic. There will be some overlap in what they can do with their magic, as well as spells unique to both.

Male witches and female wizards CAN exist, but they are either freaks of nature or suffer side effects. A man channeling female sources of magic is probably going to be a trap at best, or some kind of weird mutant at worst to try and compensate for the magical load.

Witches are a blend of pact-forgers and use spiritual intuition, meaning they'd be more likely living out in the woods and, while not always having the best access to grooming methods are usually in better physical shape.

Wizards tend to be more about focus, study, willpower, and preparation. They manipulate things by first understanding them and then breaking it down and rebuilding or rearranging. They're more likely to live in populated areas, and while better kept are usually of lower physical constitution due to spending most of their time in study and enduring conditioning exercises (such as fasting) to hone their focus.

another way to look at their styles is that witches take advantage of exploits and existing bugs in a program's code. a wizard will actively hack.

And what way was that

Cool beans, not relevant. The question is not asking "what is the one true way," which would depend on the setting, but "how would you do it," which depends on the respondent and their choice of setting. It's asking for examples and suggestions. "Depends on the setting" is not a meaningful complaint. You knee-jerk asshole.

Wizards are a race with innate magical capabilities.

Witches require making themselves host to multiple demonic entities to use magic.

Depends on what you mean by witch, since it could be anything from
>wizards get magic from knowledge of the arcane arts, while a witch receives power from a pact
to
>wizards learn magic from study and research, while witches use a few time-proven tricks passed on via apprenticeship
and even then, both of those assume a fairly D&D style wizard when it could be synonymous with "magic user" and the discussion would just go in circles.

Wizards are battlemages and spellswords slinging fireballs on the frontlines, also sorcerers who sell their soul for ultimate forbidden power and other shortcuts
Witches stay in their ivory towers brewing potions, enchanting items, preparing powerful rituals, slowly and carefully uncovering arcane mysteries etc.

Jesus christ, you stagnant cunt. You just couldn't help yourself, could you? You just had to spout your god awful meme for the trillionth time. It's obvious this is about building a setting, rather than a question about a broad archetype that varies between settings. Why do you hate these kinds of threads so much? are you afraid we might end up with a bit of spontaneous worldbuilding and creativity going?
-3/10, made me reply, got me thoroughly assblasted, bootybothered, rectally raging and anally aggravated.

Forgot to mention:
Witches tend to teach magic academically in classrooms, wizards personally take on apprentices they have homosexual relationships with.

Thanks for the (you), see you in the next thread.

The way I usually do it
>Wizards study ancient books and scrolls. They manipulate arcane energy of some sort. They're loners for the most part but might occasionally meet to compare notes.
>Witches study folklore and rites passed down through the family. Their power usually comes from making a pact with a demon or spirit. They live in cult-like covens.
>Both have familiars and both are at risk of being corrupted by power, though witches more so. The magic of both is ritualistic and slow.
That's why OP asked how YOU would do it, you tremendous fucking faggot.

Welcome to nu/tg/. This is the place you wanted it to be.

Wizards are stronger the more they abstain from sex, witches are stronger the more sex they have

Remember when we had NSFW content on this board? And the pasta bird?

Wizards follow well-documented, powerful-but-strict magical formulas while witches "feel it out". Both can arrive to the same results individually.

Wizards perform large scale rituals in groups called coteries, while groups of witches doing the same are called choirs. A wizard and a witch casting together are capable of rivaling a larger group of a single kind, though these pairings are rare, as the two groups hold centuries-old grudges that run deep.

>No Quests
>No drawfags
>Generals everywhere, cross-fertalisation discouraged
No, this definitely is not the board I asked for

Discworld way?

Magic is a tool vs Magic is something mysterious to be awed by.

wizards are male, witches are female. If you want to study magic and you're male you must study under a wizard and become a wizard yourself. If you are female you must study under a witch and become a witch.
Nobody knows what the differences between the 2 are because nobody has studied the magic of the other sex.
Inchantations and gestures used are certainly different, at least in some cases, but it's not clear whether one can do somethign the other can't or is more powerful than the other.
Transex people can't learn magic of their genital sex, but must learn magic of their brain sex.
When someone goes to study magic the mentor will scan teir brain to check whether their mind matches their body, and in case send them to the appropriate mentor.

It's not like men and women can't learn the magic of the other, it's just not done.

At least make a genuine complaint. None of those things have anything to do with Veeky Forums discussions. Art is not a requirement, nor is cringy user roleplay or quests. Generals aren't the best thing ever but they at least generate some worthwhile discussion and contain the pathfinder and 5e garbage from making threads. They also keep small things alive, making use of the general format to rehash the same basic thread to discuss them.

If you want art for your quests, you can go learn to draw and post your shit on /qst/. You don't need that here. Fuck off.

but "it depends on the setting" is never a trivial statement.
You could build a setting in any number of ways. Unless the OP specifies what other rules eist in their setting, what kid of universe it is, and what kind of campaign they're going to play it's impossible to give competent advice.

Witches make pacts and channel spirits and the primordial magic,

Wizards use the more superficial nature of magic, and do so through a somewhat removed and academic approach.

While a witch will curse, weave, and make sacrifices, a wizard will cast, study, and spell. A witch might practice something like voodoo, a wizard will be able to control a flame.

You're a retard. The OP is asking what kind of setting you would create, and you incoherently scream that it depends on the setting, because you can't even fathom the possibility of creating something yourself.

I like this. Not so much the gender discourse, but the room it leaves open for a character that learned the opposite magic system for backstory reasons.

>Transex people can't learn magic of their genital sex, but must learn magic of their brain sex.
Oh fuck off.

>Transex people can't learn magic of their genital sex, but must learn magic of their brain sex.
Yeah okay you can fuck right off.
I'm guessing otherkin and furries get to cast animal magic?

I'd have the distinction be more about social status than the nature of their magic. Like, maybe wizard is a title earned through some formal, highly exclusive education, either in an academy or through apprenticeship, while witch is a somewhat deragotary term used for those who have managed to grasp some magical know-how without 'proper' training. Maybe one term refers to magic-using criminals, or people who refuse to stick to tried-and-true methods of magic, instead performing dangerous and often harmful experiments to develop their own unique spells. Maybe there's a religion that claims only its adherents, called witches, have the spiritual strength and divine guidance needed to use magic safely, while some heretics, called wizards, pursue magic without regard for religion.

>buttplastered about some fluff on an Indonesian carpetweaving forum

you fuck off

Wizards are all dudes because the wizard academy will only accept men because "something something tradition" they have the $$$$ and practice sterile, rigidly structured magic. Think classical music

witches will accept and teach anyone their magic but they're mostly chicks that would have been accepted into the academy if they had a penis. Their magic is scrappier and more diy. the restrictions on their resources force innovation and improvisation. Think punk, hip hop, or folk

Pic barely related

It's saddening that this has been mentioned only twice, and nobody cares.
Pratchett's wizard/witch divide was god tier.

So it's only in their heads?

and here we can observe the fine specimens of buttblasted poltard.

So... basically like in the Terry Pratchett novels?

In the earliest, and I mean EARLIEST days of man, a shaman made a pact with a nature goddess, the long term results being that all women have traces of innate magical power that can be honed and improved with use. This led to levels of matriarchy that would put the drow to shame. Eventually a god of knowledge took pity and taught some of his followers the secret techniques that only the gods knew, the arts of magic. civil war happened. the twist of course, is that the shaman from so long ago did offer up something in return for the innate magic. she traded away the infinite potential that the wizards (must) use, basically forcing all women down the quick and easy path.
Mechanically witches are mostly specialized into 1-2 schools/archetypes/whatever and advance their biggest tools quickly, while wizards progress fairly slowly but with time and effort can do nearly everything, though not nearly as well as one particular witch spec'ed into it. for the most part wizards just have an assload of minor tools that they have to get creative with to accomplish things.

>A man channeling female sources of magic is probably going to be a trap at best

Damn you magical realm! Why must you follow me so?!

I like it!

Wizards are academics and scholars, witches are either people who learned the traditional ways of magic(and may or may not actually have any idea of how their spells and rituals work, only that they do) or bargained with demons/other powerful entities similar to warlocks, depending on what I want from the setting.

Goddamn it. I was pretty proud of figuring out something cool, but yeah basically.

fraternity
sorority

just with magic and alcohol instead of just alcohol

Huh, yeah this is pretty nea-
>brain sex
Oh god no fuck this

-4 STR

Wizards draw magic power (mana) from their environment, Ley Lines are the most common source of such power. They are fractures in space where magic leaks out, areas where they overlap (called a Nexus) are commonly occupied by wizard towers.

Witches make pacts with entities from beyond the veil. The entity binds to the witch and serves as a source of mana in exchange for some obscure, sometimes confusing service.

Sorcerers have fucked up souls that stick through the veil and serve as mana funnels. They don't get as much power as the other two, but their power isn't bound by location or the whims of an otherworldly entity. They can temporarily increase how much mama their bodies pull In, but doing so risks damaging or exploding their soul.

Except hags were invariably stronger then humans, so that doesn't really apply.

okay but what's her deadlift

two times that of a man.

Some lores have sorcerers be constant source of mana, where they can draw insane amount of energy, but often kills the sorcerer itself in very early age. Leaked mana can be harvested by wizards, which is why they are drawn to sorcerers like moths to a flame. It's extremely rare for sorcerer to born into a world and usually changes the course of history when they do.

Also the nature of magic for wizards is raw and more natural for witches, due to pacts being bound by entities.

Wizards are autistic shut in who can' be bothered talk or help people, they have to be focused on their spellscrafting and any disturbance in their studies might screw everything up

Witches are corrupted women who transforms into horrible mutated crones the more they use their powers. Their powers allow them to creat alchemical brewage by using peculiar ingredient , the pure love (two lovers heart sewn to each other) and child imagination (a kid brain) are one their favorite ingredients . They can use glamour to appear as normal/attractive women to infiltrate communities to choose their prey more easily. They also transformed into animals, rumors are said that a black cat is probably a witch in disguise, so it's no wonder they are thrown into fire.

That's how i'll do it, it's pretty edgy but I'm a sucker for evil witches

this is the first Veeky Forums thread I've ever seen, so judging by you guys that'll be 0kg mulitiplied by two

Wizards are not as powerful as witches, as they have extra reserves in which they are able to store mana.

I like to think witches can borrow the mind of animals rather than they turn into one. And stealing or forcing the animal mind can risk witch to lose their humanity and end up being entrapped into the body of animal, because of the duality of body mending mind and mind mending body.

Witches have testicles, and wizards are all eunuchs?

I guess that's a unique idea.

what is your objection to it?

I'd divide it via method of casting.
give one a very rigid system and the other an intuitive system of casting.
you don't even need to split it along gender
having female mages to male wizards and warlock as a male title for witches.

Witch magic, is dangerous and powerful, requiring bartering, sacrifice and good intuitive thinking. Chthonic old god, fairy and tribe, very ritualized at times .

Wizard magic is slow plodding memorization and incantation, having to prepare spells before hand, have very little danger to the studious but not having the raw power of the witch magic.

>Transex people can't learn magic of their genital sex, but must learn magic of their brain sex.
>Pic related
You honestly could have tucked that away with just saying gender, it's implied and it keeps people from getting ruffled about it.

>buttblasted poltard.
>pic also related
you are feeding the problem

Wizards are powerful, and draw power from their virginity, at 30 becoming a wizard/gaining wizard powers and further power from there on.

Witches gain power from how many virginities they take, with vast power gained by taking it from wizards (who in turn lose their powers).

There is some cases where the brain of a male looks more like brain of a female and vice versa, it's not unheard of.

It also makes more sense for female magic being more based on feelings and male magic being more raw and based on logical puzzle, so lore would have witches being able to do powerful magic when they are emotionally stressed while wizards would be constant on how they can use the magic.

The gender bias also makes it interesting for any story to have feminine men having the affinity for witchcraft while tomboys would draw raw wizardian magic.

>having female mages to male wizards and warlock as a male title for witches.
Male witches are just called witches, idiot.

Male and female seems obvious

Edgy shit.

>brain sex
You know there's a word for that, it's called GENDER, maybe you've heard of it. Also, that doesn't make any sense, so far their magic has been based on their genitals, so they should be the weird ones, casting magic "they shouldn't have" based on appearances.

Not that user, but that's not how trans people work. It's a myth. Disphoria is not caused by "a person with the brain of the opposite gender" because while we can determine gender via proportion of brain mass, there's outliers who don't experience disphoria.

Those studies were fucked and really inconclusive. The whole "male/female brain" hypothesis was mocked to bits once it entered peer review. Yes, there are differences, but we don't understand enough about them yet to draw conclusions.

That kind of antagonistic relationship actually sounds like a pretty neat concept. Wizards are in constant fear of having their powers stripped and huddle together in little fortified virgin communes, playing the long game until their powers reach their greatest potential. Witches on the other hand are always on the hunt, seeking new and exciting ways to infiltrate and strip from even the most ancient of wizards their sweet, sweet power.

The problem is it's pointless magical realm that's just going to turn your campaign into a shitty comedy. Just make it so wizards can develop their magic and witches can steal that, no need to tie into virginitiy.

You don't think people still reference the idea because it's factual, do you?
>judge people by decades worth of statistics, firsthand experience, and historical accounts from every premodern culture
>Racist, sexist, etc
>cherrypick some nonsense about the appearance of an organ we know almost nothing about
>good science

Yes, but they also are very much align with why some people behave the way they do. If their male brain looks like female, chances are they act very feminine.

youtube.com/watch?v=Erexuu8PTo8
Robert Sapolsky talks a little bit about it, can't be botheres to find studies.

>Male witches are just called witches, idiot.
and they also are called warlocks thanks to the Scots.
but aside from that people for over 600 years have recognized the title of witch as being MOSTLY FEMALE.this is in the hammer of witches for christ's sake.
For ease of understanding, you give the title warlock because there is a gendered connotation to witch.

>Prejudge individuals based on shit that doesn't matter
Ftfy. Fuck off off this board, /pol/. You're not "woke", you're just retarded.

Also it's funny that there is two claims, one from anonymous person who says
>Those studies were fucked and really inconclusive.
While Robert Sapolsky says they are
>Very, very reliable

I don't know much about neuroscience, but I know who I trust more.

UGH

Wizards are hermetic theologian-scholars, using ritual alchemy to get high off their asses and discern the secrets of the cosmos so they can warp reality as they please. They're very isolationist and generally can't stand the company of more than their apprentice, who they (usually correctly) believe is scheming against them. Tradition dictates that only men may learn the True Philosophies, though this hasn't stopped some women from seeking wizardly power. If they do, however, they must forsake their womanhood and live their lives as men, generally adopting new names and ornate false beards to compensate.

Witches are breadth to the wizard's depth. Instead of delving deep into the true nature of reality to get at the source code, Witches fool around with seeming and phenomena and don't really give a shit about the noumenal world that causes it. They tend to be very communal but catty, living in large covens headed by either the eldest witch, a spiritual patron who's abilities they ape, or ,for more malevolent covens, a hag matriarch. Many witches are hagspawn anyways, as they have a natural affinity for witchcraft anyway, but since only a hag's daughters are sentient this means that the majority of witch covens are female.

BBEG

I did say "people", not individuals. Obviously, every individual is a unique person, and deserves to be judged by the content of their character.

I think i want a bit more info than that, most of us are laymen and we don't have the foggiest
I would have assumed that sexual Dimorphism would have carried on to the shape of the mind.
Especially since I've heard men and women have a different distribution of intelligence.
Men and the handicapping principle
And shit like that

You just automatically presume to apply logic and seriousness to the scenario. What if you want it to be magical realm and to be comedic?

Are you saying that Odin was a trap?

>how would you build this setting?
>DEPENDS ON THE SETTING

It at least creates two very different kinds of magic users. And it's not as though a wizard needs to be some fearful and flimsy "man" afraid of women, just as a witch doesn't need to be a slut.

Being a universally magic potential setting, you can imagine that most relationships go a similar direction, where a man and woman get married and settle down, and hopefully being each other's first the wife ends up with some minor magic powers. Enough to take care of her family with some simple potions and remedies.

Wizards do smart stuff and make magic by channeling mana and shit.
Witches do pact stuff and make magic by dealing with demons and shit.

I would make a group called "wizards" and a group called "witches".
That was easy,

Witches are a female-only support class that throws debilitating hexes on enemies and can grant allies geasa, powerful buffs active as long as they follow the rule it imposes. Witch spells have greater effects and take root more easily when their target is a man.
Wizards are your usual studious magic man, who has forgone a good amount of the typical human experiences of taxing physical labor and interaction to learn magic. As a side effect of all those magical experiments blowing up in their face, they are incredibly resilient against magical attacks, and the dedication required to study magic leaves little room for romantic ambitions, immunizing them from feminine charms, such as those of witches.

>tfw there will never be a game that uses gender as a mechanic this deeply

Yeah. Doesn't Loki literally say Odin sucked dick to get magic while he's insulting all of Asgard?

There may be a relation, but there is no correlation.

Gender as we're talking about exists exclusively in the mind.
There is no such thing as a "brain sex" that would be in any way different from your biological sex, that's retarded.

Ley Lines come in Major and Minor types. Major lines circle the glove and rarely shift. They aren't straight, but they don't curve much and on a large map appear wobbly. Minor lines don't circle the globe and appear and disappear over time, which can be predicted through astronomy.

The outsiders witches deal with are of a different intelligence than humans. Communicating with them is like trying to send messages through interpretive dance, hence their mysterious nature.

>wyches

desu i would suck dick once if it gave me magical powers

This is well crafted bait. Otherwise reasonable, to get people reading, and includes a retarded tumblerite line which pisses people off. I do the same by casually mentioning paedophilia or lolis in a wall of text (although there's nothing wrong with being pedo or liking lolis, and there's a lot of wrong with transshit so the analogy is not equivalent, but you get the point)

Wizards get their power from good or neutral cosmic beings.

Witches (or warlocks) get their power from evil cosmic beings.

>once

enjoy your cantrips