What is your opinion of games workshop and more specifically warhammer 40k?

Fair enough.

I am wary of GW but accepting
I think 40k holds back the miniatures hobby

Couldn't care less. Personally I think those ones with all that big heavy power armor with their head exposed look dumb as hell. Headshot heaven.

Why does it hold back? Because of high prices?

Have improved about 25% since 2014 dark days. Prices are still a big issue and they needt o bring back fantasy

Prices are high, but otherwise I love 40k. Wish I was a quicker painter so I could get into some games sooner. Vowed to never grey tide again halfway through 7th and haven't been able to play a game since. Very excited to play again soon.

The writers from 5e to the present or so have made the fluff markedly worse. Made worse by tne fact that many of them come off as angry neckbeards defending their fan fiction when they speak outside official GW channels giving them a laughable air of unprofessionality.

But they're still not as toxic as the fanbase whose obsession with one true canons renders any discussion of the pros and cons of any given retcon futile as it immediately turns to shitflinging and accusations of grogard or badwrongfun. Unsurpringly, such a toxic environment has given birth and sustained life to trolls like Carnac.

Remove the internet forum element though, and the setting is pretty neat.

Overpriced. Lazy and confusing writing. Some of their art look messy, half-assed and cheap started from 6ed.

Did you write that recent BoLS article?

Not him, but it's not prices, rather practices.

We've gone from an age where White Dwarf would teach you how to build terrain from a few pringles tubes and some junk, to where the same magazine only features terrain kits sold at GW.

GW, and the other companies that follow in their path, do the best they can to circle their wagons and box in their customers. It's great for business when you buy your models, terrain, paint, and tools all in the same place, but it's bad for the hobby.

This

I can only play DoW since I've literally never seen a warhammer model of any kind around here.

god damn I miss those days

We all do.

What gets me most of all, is the laziness of it and how eager people I know are to gulp it down.

Stopped playing due to life getting in the way of playing.

Kept on not playing because my buddy is a Tau player and they went in a retarded fucking direction.

Don't want to go back to playing because of them fucking the lore.

I for one think it might not be the best example as the sole face of the hobby. For most people outside nerd culture, and even many in it, Warhammer, or more specifially 40k is the sole example they know regarding the hobby. As it has pretty big initial cost money and especially money wise and can also be subjectively pretty cringy as a setting, its reputation hinder all the other options.

Sure. Yeah, I often have to describe my miniatures games to people as "yeah, it's like Warhammer, but about vikings/ww2/Napoleon/Something else."

GW is the evil sith emperor. Striving for power and money.
40k is Darth Vader. Once the game was good but was corrupted and is also evil now.

My opinion is that I want to stop having these threads every day.

Age of Sigmar killed fantasy for me.

40k died with renaming Eldar and Chad marines.

Does that make warhammer fantasy Alderaan?

Hello, redshirt. How's the Hobby™?

I don't care much. I used to play 40k and fantasy and had friends who did so, now I don't and they don't and I play historicals

I like their specialist games.

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No more price hikes please. And less mono-pose models for $70 fucking dollorydoos

GW - i dont care much, but most of the miniatures are way overrated.
40k - shittiest setting with shittiest fanbase ever. Literal cancer of tabletop and related stuff.

GW is greedy.Lore has been raped and butchered.
Overpriced monopose models.
Non-marines armies get very little support.

No more fucking marines
If this Eldar release has no fucking new aspect warrior sculpts then what the fuck
Stop creating shitty artwork showing only models you sell
Stop with the fucking price hikes, when I quit TT dire avengers were 10 for £20, now they're 5 for £20.50, what the fuck.
I understand they need to progress the story but bring back Primarchs (all of them anyway) is just fucking dumb, at this rate Ferrus will turn up again holding his head under his arm like nothing happened. Making Chaos the big bad boogeyman was a bad choice in my opinion since it means the other big threats like Tyranids and Necrons got shelved into bumbling inconveniences rather than an actual threat.

As a side note, they need to revamp that piece of shit they call a website, they need to make more drop down lists for factions since half of the armies present are fucking space marines

Childhood is believing w40k is cool.

Maturity is when you realize Bionicle is superior.

youtube.com/watch?v=_zSxQnZ3TM8

>Right gentleman here is an idea we double the prices and half the amount of models , that wayeach model is model is worth twice as much to the palyer , that way everyone wins.

Creepingly accurate

I played 40k from 2nd to the end of 4th edition, dabbled in Necromunda, Inquisitor 54mm, and still play Blood Bowl to this day, which GW abandoned to the community, and then came back to like a drunk uncle at a wedding expecting us to pay £20+ for a single Star Player when other manufacturers had filled the gap left nicely.

Not a huge fan any more, I could have been but I feel GW have re-aimed purely at extracting money from their most "loyal" fans. That's why we've finally seen the Horus Heresy turned from mythology into a profitable resin/plastic-selling exercise, that's why we got Sigmarines and ridiculous "le beard is a cannon XD" Steam Dwarfs, that's why we got Primaris Marines. They're only giving the "awesome model bro, how can I pre-order?" crowd that actually plays in a GW store what they want.

Compare that with the GW of a couple of decades ago, that would have put a load of effort into a new book and miniatures for Witch Hunters, Lord of the Rings or Dark Elves, despite knowing full well they wouldn't sell a whole load. It felt like the output as a whole was a lot more balanced.

They always tried to isolate themselves, but now they've gone full North Korea. As mentioned, you won't see them giving you tutorials on terrain any more, just a two-page spread advertising their new Bloodsecrator Bloodcastle for £200. I remember them doing a Necromunda campaign in WD for about six months and it wasn't even linked to a release or anything.

The fluff's awful too. They've gone from snippets of world-building found in the margins of pages, to £30-a-go "narrative" book series consisting of Saturday Morning Cartoon-tier narratives involving the main characters dashing around the galaxy. Can't see how it appeals to anyone other than giving them the plot advancement they crave for some reason.

Have you tried 8th?

Its pretty fun.

>GW have re-aimed purely at extracting money from their most "loyal" fans. That's why we've finally seen the Horus Heresy turned from mythology into a profitable resin/plastic-selling exercise, that's why we got Sigmarines and ridiculous "le beard is a cannon XD" Steam Dwarfs, that's why we got Primaris Marines. They're only giving the "awesome model bro, how can I pre-order?" crowd that actually plays in a GW store what they want.

Truth if I've ever seen it.

Well they're an evil money grubbing corporation, but so is everyone else. What are we communists?

There's obviously people who work at the company who still care about the game and 40k still

For me no other miniature wargame on the market offers what 40k does in respects to a large scale sci-fi wargame. The others are either different genres like WW2 or just small scale skirmish games like Warmahordes and infinity.

8th edition and the removal of Kirby has resulted in the company acknowledging the internet exists which has been nothing but a good thing. We're able to get balance updates much faster and actual communication and even back and forth discussion about upcoming releases.

Their pricing is too high but it's still affordable if you ...have a job. Likewise it's relatively not that much more expensive than most of the competitors on the market and the quality is usually better. Most other games are 'cheaper' because they require less models .

Pretty much all you have written is correct.
New GW aims its products towards fast food american culture.
Consumers wants everything XL, everything fast.

They dont want a long running series about the fate of a single hive city, or even a planet. They want a short super important galaxy spanning event where big bads of every side recite poems to each other and fight a bit before retrating like cartoon villians.

Doing so they made the lore that they worked on for so long a joke, and their rich univese will degrade to the level of any other sci-fi universe that was ever created.

In the short term they will get money sure, but in the long run if they keep up with the lore changes they will be forgotten .

Ive played for years.
The books are good.
Fucking casual fucks think that 8th edition is the best goddamn thing to ever happen to the game.
Their only defense for the week ass and blatantly dumbed down rules is always.
"WoUlD YoU RaThEr Go BaCk To 7th?!
Fuck off, 7th's core rules where hot fire, Bad codexs, No fucking balance, and formations made it what it was. 8th now suffers from the opposite problem. The books are all awesome and give people what they want but the core rules a weak as fuck and it shows.
But the casuals want to hide behind new models and balance. It's the same thing that happened with the new star wars movie. Written like a fucking mess but no one wants to admit it's trash because it's TeH sEvEnTh StAr WaRs!

There are three parts of their business. Pricing, Models, and Gameplay. They have proven time and time again that they can only get one right at a time (spoiler alert: its rarely ever pricing).

8e40k fixed a lot of problems, but the new models and prices are ass.

The core rules needed to simplify in order to allow they to overhaul everything. Even 7e's core was a mess of arbitrary errata by the end. Changes to things like vehicle movement and firing, passengers, and charging are great.

Bring back 4th ed

They can just tank it though unless it's heavy ordinance

For a game the size of 40k I like the simplified rules. I have quite a number of units with 10+ models running around, trying to fit them in craters or behind walls, etc. So much going on. I don't want to try to get behind every single model to check for line of sight, nor do I want to calculate if the appropriate amount of figures is ín or behind cover.

Now for smaller skirmishers, that is totally fine.
Malifaux, Infinity and even Shadow War, they do fine with more detailed rules, since I got only so many single dudes on the board.

Screencapped. I'm going to spam this in every GW thread from now on. This was a spot on. I've been a hobbyist since 2002. 40k lore being shit hurts me the most. THe best times of 40k were during 4th or 5th ed, with a good balance of grimdark and sillyness. It's notable that most 40k games still revert to this loreset.

Battlefleet Gothic book was awesome, and I loverd the models and the feel. Now they have been sacrificed to the altar of sigmarines like everything else. Seriously, that book was so great.

>Games workshop
A very profit oriented company. They know that their target audience has a large amount of disposable income, and thus charge ridiculous amounts of money for miniatures which really should be 50% of their current price at most.
That said, they aren't as bad as some other hobbyist companies, such as Märklin, which charges 800 dollars for a model train lokomotive.
>Warhammer 40k
An extremely rich setting. Everyone can find at least one thing in it they like. I personally got into it because I enjoy monsters, so Tyranids were a natural pick for me.
The artwork, miniature design and quality of the narrative vary widely. Some are excellent, some are decent, some are absolutely horrible. You just have to learn to pick and choose, and enjoy the things you like rather than crying about those you hate.

Love their models, Love thier games, like their community engagement and such.

The hard sell at stores is lame and their prices are beyond belief. They'd need to half their prices across the board even be considered "pricey". They seriously shoot themselves in the foot with the prices. The prices are what scares normies off.

Did they remove true line of sight?

They are still selling for some reason. Their share prices increased by 130 percent in about 6 months.

This post is basically Veeky Forums in a nutshell. A perfect encapsulation.

If everyone did what you said at the end there, then this community would be 1000% better literally overnight.

This sounds arrogant, but I know that.
All of my 40k pals and I already do it that way. If anything, we crack jokes about how those four new Primaris unnammed characters cost 30 dollars each, but we move on to talk about things we actually like quickly.

Oh I wish they did.

Again, for single models with well defined rules for drawing LOS (terrain features, sillhouttes, etc.) it's all fine, but when it comes to a horde of 30 ork boys waddling through a ruined cityscape, I don't want to try and gauge an eye out for every single one of them or spend half an hour positioning them juuust right to have them all have 100% LOS to an enemy fighter.

WH40K Is one of those things that has really cool lore but I would never shell out the money to play.

You realise the 2nd edition grognards said the same shit you're saying about 8th about 3E/4E etc right?

>Scout Trooper Steve fucks up the company photo. Again.

There are even GW redshirts in this picture. Are red cloacks the new GW employee dresscode? Wasn't in a GW store for some years.

Apparently GW stores play stuff like Skrillex now as well as the usual metal music.

That is the problem with your gaming board not the game itself.
Stop trying to play very large games in average sized tables.
It looks retarded when seeing 10 leman russes crammed together in a parking lot facing a similiar army.

Lorewise, 40k is an a-okay.
The setting has unlimited potential, almost anything can be devised from, and the grimderpness isn't much of an issue as you can safely 'ignore' it.

Problem starts when the story begin to take itself too seriously, elements of fun turning into retardness, and taking Black Library for plot progression you will see things become increasingly convoluted, like each author attempting to enforce their fanfic.

90% sure das bair, but ima reply anyway cause im bored.

40k: Love the universe and lore
GW: GW is EA levels of "fuck you, pay me" and thinks their customers are retards with to much money and activity write rules and plan kits around milking more money out of us with "kits" that half the time (especial with infantry units, moreso leets), the fact that most kits dont have the bits you need to build the kit as most of it's possible configurations (the fact that the chaos term kit does not even have ONE combi-melta, let alone four for the whole squad for example) and if you build the kits only with bits in the boxes, literally every unit in your army with options with be dogshit cause you will be forced to mix and match weapons from different roles. Or just buy the kit twice.
That shit fucking infuriates me.

You know how many of the plague marine brother kits you need to buy to make 10 melee plague marines with new Melee config (minimal bells and whistles, just as much as you need to function viably as a melee unit) 7 paired melee, 2 melee special weapons (matching, cause again, splitting special weapon roles is stupid and a waste of points 70% of the time)???

3.
180 fuken dollars. before tax. for 10 guys. Just so i can run them as a standard, sensible melee build.

so
ether
A: they write rules to force wiziwig and ocd fags who hate proxying to blow extra money on an already excessively expensive hobby
B: they design the kits and their contained bits around the rules to have the same effect.

ether way, anti-consumer AF, and GW is dense if they think we don't realize it and fume with hatred for them because of EA game level cash-grabbing shit like that.

40k is one of my favorite fictional universes and I dig the fuck out of the fluff,
but GW is EA levels of "fuck the customer, get munay" and for this reason i have 0 quams about china-cast and the like.

It gets new players into the hobby that eventually graduate to other games. So I guess I like it.

Doesn't hold any interest to me.

The specialist games I enjoyed were all canned.
8th edition WHFB was crap designed purely to sell big expensive monsters and hordes of fodder. Game is at its best at 6th edition with ravening hordes. Age of Sigmar somehow looks even worse than 8th if that can be believed.
40k hasn't been good since 5th edition. Also it has one of the more rabid fanbases out there...

The most true post ever written.

Sigh.

The company was run poorly (getting better).

I'm 33. I've been playing since middle school, so 2nd edition.

Old GW: wrote games and supported the hobby. This indirectly helped sell miniatures, but they were focused on the game side of things. It massively exploded the hobby.

New GW: make miniatures, and write rules specifically to sell them.

Primaris marines are stupid. GW should have just said "we've been jonesing to make space marines fit their fluff on the table top in terms of rules and miniatures for quite some time now. the new marines are now true scale in both respects... oh yeah, Gulliman with cawl have introduced a new armor type, gravis, and has banned centurion armor amongst the chapters"

They could have made more money in the long run by slowly re-doing the whole marine range (terminators, devastated, etc etc.) and satisfied fan service by not having this whole contrived "new marine" stuff. People would have come around over time like the marines between 2nd and 3rd edition.

>Primaris marines are stupid. GW should have just said "we've been jonesing to make space marines fit their fluff on the table top in terms of rules and miniatures for quite some time now. the new marines are now true scale in both respects... oh yeah, Gulliman with cawl have introduced a new armor type, gravis, and has banned centurion armor amongst the chapters"

Agree. They should just have said "hey we updated the marines to true-scale" and slowly phased out the old models, like 2nd-3rd ed. It worked fine back then.

>Bring back 3rd ed
ftfy

Yep!

Gravis armor could have even been passed off as designed for void/low gravity combat where mobility (some have hover jets) and life support systems (t5) are needed over outright protection like terminator armor.

But no, it's a numarine thing.

New GW is a very different beast from the Kirby-era company. Yes, they're still after money (they are a business, after all), but they are now making a concerted effort to make their rules more balanced and to give all of their products an appeal. They also run a large number of deals in the form of the start collecting boxes, which represent massive savings, and are actively targeting more affordable entry-points to the hobby through a range of starter sets and making games like BB and Shadespire very affordable. I still think that a lot of the modern lore is crap, but they're making big strides.

The sales figures, profits, and share prices bear that out. Sales were up over a third in the last report (and since then they've issued several statements that they're outperforming market expectations), profits have more than doubled, and the share price is quite literally up 350% in 12 months. They're the fastest growing share on the entire FTSE, I've made an absolute shedload of money on paper off the back of it.

If this was /v/ half the thread would be people talking about dinosaurs.

Is it weird that I use GW as a low correlation stock to help diversify a given portfolio?

>made money off their stock
The money I've made on their stock has more than made up for my expenses buying their products.

Too expensive, I played 40k when I was 9 but I felt bad constantly asking my parents for the insane amount of money it costed, now I'm 18 and there's no way I'm paying for any of the materials myself.

It's cool in it's own way, but everyone with any talent has since left GW. Follow the people not the brand.

It's all too expensive to me.

A shame, because I wanted to have a catachan superheavy based on vietnam tree crushers, a battle servitor based on a carnosaurus with plasma breath, and a orky carrier which carries its warriors through skates and ropes behind.

China and ebay are your friends.

Saved, will do the same.

Fukeen saved. This

I feel exactly the same, user. Thanks for putting it into words.

I owe much of my youth to GW. And some of the best moments of me growing up was shaking the dice and playing games all night long.

In recent years though, well to be fair, at the dawn of the Internet (so a fair amount of years), many online haters and fanboys to other games almost got to me. I even had a 2 years out event when I only played Warmahordes. But I still could not jump aboard the hate train. Me and GW had to much history together!

So despite being 25+ years in to the hobby, I have always enjoyed the games of GW, and 40k especially. Good lore, good literature, good models, and good rules (all this is of course from my own self perspective, and what I myself enjoy and think classifies as "good").

The only thing that almost got to me was the price range, but then I became an adult and realized that its up to me what I want to spend money on, and its up to me to make things fall in to place in accordance to my budget. If I can't handle that, then maybe I shouldn't be called an adult after all.

Samefag alert
These exact complaints have been voiced for years, you aren't some wise old gamer

I enjoyed playing Space Hulk, Epic 40K, WH40K and Warhammer Fantasy roleplay in the late 80s and early 90s.

GW turned from a company run by gamers who just wanted to make awesome games to a corporate shitfest from the mid 90s.

Still play some of the old games once in a while with my old buddies but not interested in any of the new stuff at all.

WFRP was great for adventures, but the system sucked ass. There's a new version coming out next year that's NOT like the shit one from Fantasy Flight. As other people have said, 40K 8th edition RULES are quite fun to play if you have that stuff lying around anyway.

>The money I've made on their stock has more than made up for my expenses buying their products

The money I've made on their stock could quite comfortably fund my hobby budget for the rest of my life.

>GW turned from a company run by gamers who just wanted to make awesome games to a corporate shitfest from the mid 90s

GW also turned from a tiny company with a similarly tiny customer base into the largest wargaming company on earth in the mid 90s.

>everyone who says something i dont like is a samefag

I will never undestand how is still so popular.
I liked the old lore, when it was a grim dark tongue in cheek stuff and was full of jokes and stuff pointing at pop culture. They killed fantasy than was my introduction to it, and now we have as fantasy some try hard saturday morning style setting were nothing really matters and have Sigmarines as the main faction. 40k is a grimderp setting now with so much stupidity without the old humor, and it tries to get SERIOUS for the love of god. Reading the novels goes from decent to shit, the models vary, from good to awful, and the prices aren't that hot.
They games suck donkey balls, since the old guard got out specially. Cashcow with too many fanatics still, and one of the worse playerbase I had the displeasure to play with, along with some Warmhordes.

Have you ever asked yourself why people are not so vehemently defending GW lore in any other chans or threads outside of the 40k generals and age of sigmar ones?
GW shills are actively posting at those threads.
Those threads dont represent the majority of players wishes.

GW is the phisical representation of a snake whose head doesn't know what its tail is doing.
meaning they came up with really good ideas back in the day but they have absolutely no clue about what to do with them

I agree with a few of the points, doesnt mean he should post multiple times to promote himself.

user, get in to vidya.

I'll be your friend

GW is your typical corporation, and 40k has not had a soul since 93.

>I liked the old lore, when it was a grim dark tongue in cheek stuff and was full of jokes and stuff pointing at pop culture. They killed fantasy than was my introduction to it, and now we have as fantasy some try hard saturday morning style setting were nothing really matters and have Sigmarines as the main faction. 40k is a grimderp setting now with so much stupidity without the old humor, and it tries to get SERIOUS for the love of god. Reading the novels goes from decent to shit, the models vary, from good to awful, and the prices aren't that hot.
fukkin /thread

>I liked the old lore, when it was a grim dark tongue in cheek stuff and was full of jokes and stuff pointing at pop culture.
This so much. When 40k became just grimdark it became what it parodied.

I don't get it