MTG Modern General

>saffronolive
>how bad will it be?
You might as well not even show up.

The thing I always ask people who want to play junk bullshit is this, "Have you played all the good decks yet?"

Because if you haven't, then why the fuck not? Why are you looking for a new probably shitty thrill when you haven't done the CURRENT guaranteed good thrill?

"I like to do novelty bullshit," is the response I always hear. Well I love novelty bullshit too but I also don't want to be an ignorant retard; and it's fine playing jank bullshit if you're not an ignorant retard. But if you haven't played the good shit, you're just playing jank and being an ignorant retard so you might as well be a new player who due to lack of skills can't answer your own fucking question as to whether this list is good enough against the meta.

Exactly. There are only, like, ten decks total in the entirety of modern. These are the good ones, the ones that win all time. And if you're not winning every game, all the time, with the exact same cards, you aren't having fun.

It's a fucking scientific fact.

Where did I say anything about winning all the time?

I'm saying that if you haven't played the good shit, you're just a dumb retard who can't help themselves.

SaffronOlive, whatever you might say about him, certainly had played the good shit, which allows him to fuck around. But everyone else who wants to fuck around haven't put in the time to understand how the fuck Modern works.

>have you played all the good decks yet
Nope., I've been on naya burn for like two or three years now.
>why?
Obvious poor fag. But besides that, Burn puts up results (not too much lately but still) and is fun for me. The only other deck I played was that titi prowess deck, and the probe ban killed it.
>the other things you said
I know it'll be bad, I was just asking HOW bad. You could've just said something like did instead of leaving your rant here.
>you're a retard if you haven't played all the good shit
Or maybe they just didn't interest me?

Hey man, the thread died before I could get the links, so I had to improvise

Not the user you're talking to, but I don't need to have played Affinity, Tron, Jund, or DS to know that they're not for me. Playing against it and maybe watching a MTGO video of somebody piloting it is plenty to "understand how the fuck Modern works"
I will say that there are loads of hipster faggots who just get their rocks off playing utter shit cards that nobody's heard of, sure. But Saffron is not the ONLY exception. The user that triggered you didn't even say anything to warrant that rant.

Weren't your exact words:
>But if you haven't played the good shit, you're just playing jank and being an ignorant retard

I mean, isn't that what you're saying right here? Isn't what makes a deck good consistancy in operation and wins? Isn't that what your guarenteed good thrill is?

If your point wasn't "play decks that win, that's how you fun" then what the hell even was your point? If you don't care about winning and just about playing a game with other people using a deck of your own creation, then why would you be so invested in people running a deck the "wrong way"?

It's better. It's faster and has more utility.

It got top 8 in back-to-back SCG opens. Take that as you will.

It's been eh, I've yet to be impressed by the deck enough to switch from Mono U. The G/U version does have its own ups and downs compared to the mono U version. The G/U version has a better match up against unfair decks, to a degree, because it's a more consistent turn four deck but with less curse catchers can be felt in those match ups. And I feel against midrange decks the deck is a lot worse, yeah Silvergill 5-8 should be really good but you realize you lose Master of Waves(for the most part but a few lists play maybe 1). And that was the card in those match ups. And against go wide decks Master was really good. So it depends, but a lot of the time you will just do normal Merfolk things, fish fish Lord, spreading seas your land, attack for lethal? And the splash doesn't matter.

Nudrazi ruined mtg desu

>I don't know how archive works
No excuses

Added note: Actually dying to a blood moon deck is also annoying as hell when playing the Green splash.

How come Mana Leak was the premier 2 mana counter for so much of Modern's history, but now Logic Knot is often played before it, with Leak as a supplement if it's played at all? Did people just not realize that Logic Knot is good? Did the UU cost really matter that much? Does it have to do with Leak being dead quicker in a format with cheaper spells?

I don't know if it was the UU cost or the fact that people weren't facilitating delve enough, but Logic Knot was definitely slept on.

I think that there's a ton more to unearth now that Merfolk is in different colors. If you're not playing fetches (Unclaimed/Cavern/Sanctum/Breeding/Muta) then you're probably not playing any actual green spells. However if you're playing with fetches now you get green in your board, which provides some great cheap interaction. Natural State is probably my favorite piece of removal in modern.

Also keep in mind we're not done yet. We have a 2nd set of Ixalan, and just one more green playable will probably solidify the change. The deck is going to feel worse against midrange because it's shifted from tempo to aggro, but what's great is the deck can (kinda) transform back into a tempo build post-board.

It's still super early in the U/G meta, so it'll take a bit to figure out what is optimal. Maybe the deck is looking to main some counterspells? Is there anything cheap in green that would fit? Maybe the deck just shifts focus completely from one new card in Ixalan 2? Go heavy or light on 3 drops? Do you even include MoW?

Hell I'm not even opposed to a third color if it worked well. Being tribal and having Vial means the mana is good, so it wouldn't be too hard. I'm imagining how fucking jank Temurfolk would or wouldn't be.

>Temurfolk
i swear if i get bolted for the win vs merfolk i'm quitting magic forever

It will be interesting to see how Ixalan 2 uses green merfolk. Maybe it'll be like Elves when Shaman of the Pack was released and suddenly G/B Elves were the way to go.

But like... what could they print? What would Merfolk need that it doesnt already have.

Tokens? Another lord?

A Sliver Hive for Merfolk would be cool. A Rec-Sage-like Merfolk, or any sideboard-tier Merfolk would be cool actually. Vial is so powerful with "X on a stick" creatures, and with green that's totally possible. I'd also like to test an aggressive 3-drop.

>A Rec-Sage-like Merfolk

I do have hope for the next set because I love Merfolk and not at all opposed to change it's just currently I've not been that impressed by the green cards, again they're good not saying they're bad.

I dunno about going back to tempo out of the board. You get some Negate effects and all but you had that anyway before? And adding Masters to the side board kind of feels like a waste? I dunno how to explain it but it just feels bad? Also a feel bad when your board is filled with green fish and your devotion will be like two or one. This happened a lot whenever I drew him playing the Green splash, though that could have been bad luck. Nonetheless I still think the green splash is a different deck with its own ups and downs, like comparing UWR to strick UW control. Similar gameplans and cards but actually pretty different in the end.
Death's Shadow became a thing. So now you have many more one Mana threats that Mana leak is really bad against because they can just pay for it. With logic knot the possibility of actually countering it goes up by a lot when you can X=5 or something.

Scry X on etb, X is the number of merfolk you control

If you ask me, you shouldn't be playing MoW at all (I unironically think Chameleon Colossus is a better 4-drop in UG), but a list that got top 8 did so who knows? Yes you had negate effects before, but that was going from tempo to more tempo. U/Gfolk are going to power out wins in spots where mono U wouldn't. And when you can't power it out is when you slide back into the tempo deck.

You only get 15 cards in your board, so completely shifting your deck's approach is powerful. With green you get even more of a shift.

No more Lords. Merfolk has quite enough of them already.

Modern is ded

No u

Why would anyone want to play a format with eldrazi, storm and death shadow garbage as top contenders?

To be fair its that or Eldrazi and Brainstorm.

>Chameleon Colossus
Can the UG Merfolk manabase really support GG costs?

Brainstorm is such a dumb spell. You either have a something like a spirit of labyrinth to screw with them or you have to stand your opponent autistically filtering through his deck every turn.

Its a changeling famalam, you can cast it off Cavern

I know, but that's still only about 10-12 sources for it, while you want about 16 for GG on turn 4. I could definitely see it being hard to cast without a vial, and even then your vial is useless after it goes to 4.

Thinking of brewing a GW enchantment deck with Eidolon of Blossoms just because I'm in love with it's promo art, are there any staple cards that I should have in it?

Utopia Sprawl
Ghostly Prison
Leyline of Sanctity
Runed Halo
Sigil of the Empty Throne

Time for me to settle on a deck for GP OKC since early registration ends nov 10.

Been going on between grixis delver, gds and esper shadow.

I have the most experience with delver, but obviously shadow is more powerful. Which one should I go with?

10-12 if you're running fetchless.

If you're running fetches you should have no problem with GG. I honestly don't know which is the better manabase.

what this user said. Also shrine of nykthos can generate a lot of mana early with leylines. You could run RiP and stony mainboard too to get free wins.

my lgs has ur merfolk. i took 9 damage in bolts one game

sphere of safety, courser of kruphix, heliod, starfield of nyx

delver

The problem of multi colors in merfolk is that there are simply no good merfolks in those colors, except green now, U - X has been tried for years and it didn't work, bolts,moons,thoughsizes you name it there just were no creatures good enough to go outside blue.

is there any possible chance I can meld this in game?

On your kitchen table maybe.

It's obviously not optimal but you could do it with Tooth and Nail pretty easily.

Yeah but like, who on earth would Tooth and Nail those two when thy could grab Xenagod and Emmy

I don't know user.

Who would want to be reminded of the total lore rape that was SOI by playing either of those cards?

Possibly taking turns, or UW Tron

Wtf all my bulk reserve list cards are shooting up

Did you take some time out of your day to thank our friends™ at (((MTG Finance)))?

The card sucks what’s the point

The point is that that shit card is worth a whole extra dollar thanks to our good friends™ at (((MTG Finance)))
You should be thanking them for making the game affordable™ and keeping the secondary market healthy™

1ug
merfolk shaman
2/1
when merfolk shaman enters the battlefield, return target card from your graveyard to your hand.

I’ll just list it on TCGplayer and take a vacation thanks MTG Finance

Reserved list nig

>New guy at LGS
>Just sold his Yugioh collection, bought a bunch of EDH shit
>wants to branch into modern
>ask what he wants to play
>Jund
How do I break it to him gently that our cities local meta is 50% tron?

You do know he can be cast off a Cavern naming Merfolk, right?

Go read those posts again, silly

I did, they want to reliability reach GG to cast him but you can do it nonetheless because you're already running green Mana producing lands and Cavern of Souls.

11 sources (like the most recent list) is not enough to reliably hit GG

That includes Cavern

Just let him. Midrange babies need to grow up some time

I'd say just be a blunt as humanly possible.

LGS is mostly combo decks, what do? I've been playing Knightfall but it honestly feels like a complete trash deck.

Play 8 Rack or any discard heavy deck.

Against combo you need a clock to back up your discard though. GDS would probably be perfect for the job but I ain't got the Lillies for it.

8rack does have a clock though, its in the deck's name. If that ain't enough you can always go for beats with Mutavault and Pack Rats

Play a Delver variant. UR or RUG pack more counterspells than Grixis usually, so try one of those. UWR with Geist and Queller will probably do the trick too.

3cmc
It's trash.

Its a fucking UG Eternal Witness you fag
Its definately not what Fish needs but its not even close to being Trash

Also important to read:

Does anyone have a recent jeskai ascendancy list?

That's going in Eternal Command before it goes in Merfolk

Whats your deck look like?

Pretty far fetched, but you could potentially make your deck even more ass but cheese combo decks with a few tweaks

With 4 knights you could add a pair of Azusas and Ramunap Excavator with a playset of GQ (might need to trim some of the blue cards/wolfrun, but I can see Bant still working. Could probably get away without jamming all the Coursers too). Depending on their deck and how many basics it runs, the landhate strat can be strong, but more blue with Queller and co. might be the better route.

Some good cards too vs certain combo decks are Pridemage, Scooze, Mindcensor, and Meddling Mage

I'm going to buy a playset of aether vials, which is going to be reprinted in iconic masters november 17.
At which point are they going to be at their lowest price?

You got a slightly faster clock now with the 1 drop "Kird Ape" Merfolk and the Wayfinder now drawing you out lands from the top of your deck or being huge instead and just milling away the top card if you don't want it.

Is eldrazi and taxes good vs higher end decks? All I need to buy are a set of aether vials and Thalia Guardian of tharbens should I insta buy Thalia or just use leonin in the mean time

The Merfolk antagonist seems pretty red, so who knows.

play infect and outrace all of them
or you can jam a bunch of hatebears into your deck. queller, gaddock teeg, eidolon of rhetoric, either thalia, vendilion clique, glen elendra archmage are generally good against combo decks

>UR or RUG pack more counterspells than Grixis usually
that's just a result of black lending better removal and card advantage. obviously user has the option of realizing that countersquall and thoughtseize are better than fatal push and k command in a combo meta and tuning with that in mind.

On limited sets,. 1 week after release (2 weeks the latest).

Show him best girl

>new ajani
I wonder if Ajani tribal could be a thing?

>Conquest of Power
Sounds like a microtransaction based game on Google Play.

Thank god it's Rivals of Ixalan instead

Wait, Huatli is on Conquest pack, while her card actually is in Ixalan. Something is up.

You could say it's just because it's old (it says Atlazan ffs), but if you go to the Rivals of Ixalan page on Wizards' site, she's there too.

Maybe she gets 2? My only guess is that she color shifts.

Hi guys, I made this, do you find it accurate or did I forgot some archetypes ?

I just ordered the pieces I need for Andrew Jessup's GDS. I already had most of the mainboard's expensive shit and he doesn't run Lilly mainboard so it's all cool.

You forgot a couple:

>Well dressed sadist
This type of person looks normal, maybe even charming, but plays exclusively hateful grixis/Dimir decks. Has a boner for mill, stax, and hatefucking defenseless opponents, but does so with a smile. May or may not have a legacy deck, may or may not win, either way everyone is miserable.

Do people get upset playing vs Affinity? Does Wizards have a hateboner for it?

Affinity players tend to get salty as fuck when you play Stony Silence because they assume nobody will be bringing hate for them.

My LGS it's mostly normal people.

Like there's 2 pretty quiet people at worst but they're super chill when you actually talk to them.

What the fuck are you going on about? Stony Silence is just a cost of doing business as an Affinity player. What you said is like saying Dredge players get salty about encountering Leyline or any other graveyard hate. If they're going to complain about dedicated hate then they're just shit players period, doesn't matter what deck they play. The cost of playing dedicated hate is sometimes even wrong in some decks and if anything at all the player should acknowledge that the deck they lost to will have poorer matchups.

People dislike playing against Affinity because some people think it's an effortless no-thinking deck that happens to have significant power. The same can be said about several other decks. While it is admittedly boring playing against the same thing over and over the faggots who complain almost certainly don't play enough Magic to have a legitimate excuse to get bored. They're just ignorantly parroting what the pros say about being bored or hating a deck because the pros live and breathe Magic and get bored at a rate much faster than we do. If we didn't give a fuck about what pros thought about the game we would blissfully have hundreds of hours of exploring the both the competitive and casual metagame.

But because everyone just fucking substitutes the pros' experiences and opinions for their own, they go about spouting bullshit about how this is bad or this is good when they haven't played shit or whether or not a draft format is good or bad when they've maybe only done two drafts.

So to return to Affinity, if people say they get upset playing against Affinity, I can almost assure you they've played maybe no more than 20 matches against Affinity, which if you think about it, is fucking nothing given there are over two dozen serious decks in the format and dozens more functional ones.

i get upset playing against tron or scapeshift.