Previous Thread: A thread for discussing the 'Star Trek' franchise and its various tabletop adaptations.
Possible topics include Modiphius' new rpg 'Star Trek Adventures', WizKids miniatures game 'Star Trek: Attack Wing', and Gale Force Nine's board game 'Star Trek: Ascendancy', as well as the previous rpgs produced by FASA, Last Unicorn Games and Decipher, the Starfleet Battles Universe, and the Star Trek universe in general.
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Jose Powell
Sisko is a warlord.
David Gomez
....what? I legit don't really understand how they can think that STD is better than the other, good, shows. It doesn't make any sense. Why are humans this retarded?
Joseph Watson
It' good to be consistent, user.
As for the concept art, some of it looks really great, especially the last 2. But the in dept design work is awful. Far too elaborate. It makes the design incapable of becoming iconic. A year from now no one will be able to accurately draw any of the new klingon designs, while the original D7 will be easily recalled. this isn't to say that i inherently dislike redesigns of existing concepts, only that i feel it's been really poorly implemented here.
Jaxson Baker
You do know that inability to empathize with opposing subjective states of mind is a pretty big psychological problem.
Tyler Roberts
>This captcha sponsored by Gul Dukat
I can't accept that comment at face value. Whether he's trolling, paid, mentally retarded, something is up with that comment.
>hope they remake all the others except ENT
There's no way this is real.
Isaac Murphy
I never claimed to not have psychological problems. Nor did I claim that what I said wasn't sarcasm.
Landon Davis
Yep these are all real comments from the "Trekyards" facebook group.
Liam Howard
Who's the First?
Also, general question to all, to 5 trekfus?
Oliver Bell
The one argument you can make is that the exact same thing happened in the movies/TNG. You know that the fanboys were throwing just as much of a hissyfit when klingons got redesigned back then, but for us it's normal.
Cameron Smith
Does Sarah Silverman count?
Hunter Miller
Dax2.0
Leo Williams
My top 5 Trek waifus? Main cast only?
>5. Kira Look, she might be a crazy Bajoran prophet-loving madwoman with far too much power, but Dukat was right about basically everything, so she's gotta have something going on. And frankly, she's still pretty hot.
>4. Dr. Crusher I'm like the only person who likes Beverly, but that red hair and sharp wit get me going. The reason she doesn't get higher on the list though is Wesley Fucking Crusher.
>3. Garak Shit, are you telling me you *wouldn't* do Garak? Fuck you, you lying bastards.
>2. Seven of Nine Catsuit. Incredibly smart. Probably up for all the kinky shit because exploring the human condition is her jam. Side bonus: she can probably make you immortal or something.
>1. Jadzia Dax Definitely up for the kinky shit. Has multiple lifetimes of experience. Again, that wicked tongue of hers is awesome benefit. Also can defend you from your enemies and has the brain to get you crazy Federation tech. No downsides here.
Cooper Gray
TAS IS canon though. They even made explicit reference to it two weeks ago. After what we saw on some alien ships in Enterprise the holodeck in STD isn't THAT big of a problem for me. It's the kind of thing I can let slide, as opposed to in the grim darkness of the 23rd century we torture inappropriately scaled microorganisms in order to instantly jump to any point of the galaxy.
>trekyards FUCK NO GROSS. Jesus. I tried watching their STD review videos and I just can't. They were arguing about pointless minutia and ignoring the fundamental problems of the show. With those two (the one on the left is also super creepy btw) treating the show like they were I am not surprised the comments are a dumpster fire. A low quality show is going to have a low quality fanbase.
Hunter Mitchell
i don't see why not. She was in 2 episodes.
Samuel Hill
Well to be fair i'm still a bit dubious on STD being canon so that backing up TAS is a bit shifty.
Owen Wood
When I was young I couldn't get enough of star fleet battles. >just couldn't get enough ships! Now that I am older .... youtube.com/watch?v=aVAiCX7chTk
Generic Ship racing bait. Just make those engines run (or don't run). No need for sabotage just you vs the wave.
Eli Russell
I just found out that the Star Trek Official page (while full of people who hate the show like us) as more cancer than Trekyards. Yay!
Gavin Ramirez
Well it is the series that has the most outlandish crazy stuff in it. Like Spock drawing a pentagram is a good example.
Daniel Williams
Spock is in discovery?
Caleb Sullivan
My plan for the Star Trek franchise if I somehow inexplicably took over would be to spin it off into a few different timelines. I would use the temporal cold war as the hand wavy excuse for why multiple timelines exist. And then, after renaming the prime universe into the Enterprise universe (everything notable either happens on or around the hero ship Enterprise). Discovery would probably get its own timeline since, so far, it is absolutely polluting the Enterprise timeline with its depictions of technologies and societies inconsistent with what we've seen before. Finally, I would start my own fresh timeline, split it from the Enterprise timeline at some point prior to today, and then start running. And it would be dogshit, because I don't actually have any talent for this glorious!
>unironically liking 'gritty' tv I feel like there's been something deeply sick with American culture since 9/11 happened. Of course, I'm not the first to point it out or anything, but I'm continually becoming more worried than ever before about it.
Honestly, the only reason we have to say it isn't is 'I don't like it,' which is not a strong reason.
Leo Myers
>Facebook is full of terrible faggots Perish the thought!
Samuel Kelly
I know, even I'm on there!
Levi Watson
>multiple waifus You don't even know the meaning of love.
Logan Long
People liked gritty things before 9/11. Check your "everything changed with my generation" bias you filthy retarded millennial.
Austin Gonzalez
Dude asked for the top five. I gave him five. Dunno what you want.
Savage. Not wrong though.
Joseph Young
Remember friends, we don't know what Trek is about at all.
Jonathan Thompson
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Ryan Perry
why would they assign the extremely awkward klingon to a diplomacy job?
Cooper Hall
Because the writer was a hack.
Owen Powell
I don't think "gritty" was seen as an inherently positive characteristic in and of itself until 24
Anthony Young
You probably wouldn't, because your millenial recency bias is making you forget that the 80s existed.
Chase Watson
Just to make sure you're aware, you've responded to two different people now.
Did Star Trek turn gritty in the 80s? Did things that were not gritty before suddenly turn gritty in the 80s? I was born in 87 so I really don't know.
Gabriel Myers
No, just that people enjoyed gritty things in the 80s, because they were gritty. It isn't a new thing.
Aaron Rivera
May as well do it myself.
>5: Hoshi Sato I liked what Hoshi represented. A human without any of Starfleet's training for tolerance of other species, way out of her depth, trying to get her shit together. I just hate that she got no screen time to explore any of it. Also, Obviously, a cute.
>4: Jadzia Dax I hated the character, at first. Seriously, for the 1st 3 seasons she only ever consoles people by saying "this one time, when i was a male exobiologist, i had things waaaay worse." I really hated that shit. But, for whatever reason, i warmed to her character across the next 3 seasons until her los was genuinely heartbreaking.
>3: Ezri Dax So thank fuck Jadzia got replaced by best Dax. The character was immediately more likeable and relatable. She had been a normal person up until a few days ago before having 8 lifetimes just dropped in her lap and she acted appropriately. Also, a cute.
>2: Kira Nerys Loved the character and her uncomfortable relationship with her own culture and religion. She was a die hard believer until confronted with conflicting points of view and actually grew as a character. I also have a thing for women that i'm 100% sure would initiate sex by assaulting me.
>1: Be'lanna Torres So it should be unsurprising that best demi-Klingon is my first choice. pretty actress, woefully under-explored duality, a number of fetishes I won't even begin to unpack. What's not to like?
Justin White
That's some damn nice remastering... although some of the colour correction looks a little "off" to me, and the HD does have the unfortunate but inevitable effect of making the physical effects look kinda shitty. Anyone who uses crying baby images to mock people who disagree with them is (probably) a whiny little shit themselves Because Picard was implicated in a assassination of a local diplomat during highly sensitive peace talks, and the only two other officers on the planet were Worf and Troi (everyone else was conveniently distracted by the b-plot). Worf outranks Troi, and Troi is completely useless, so Worf was put in charge. He realised the peace talks would go nowhere fast until the real culprit was found, so he interrogated possible suspects. Troi pointed out that going full Klingon probably wouldn't help, so he tried to be as non-threatening as possible.
It didn't work, but the real assassin revealed themselves at the 11th hour, so it worked out okay in the end.
Aaron Brown
I was wrong above to suggest there's anything inherently wrong with liking gritty things (I unironically like GoT, but not specifically because it's gritty). It's just that it seems like people want EVERYTHING to be gritty now, even things which were not gritty before.
Zachary Garcia
Love isn't real
There is no Santa Clause
The rabbit was never in the hat
Your dog will die 50 years before you do
Magic is all just slight of hand on one scale or another
You can't be whatever you set out to be if you try hard enough, you were lied to for the entirety of school
No politician since Nixon has given even a tiny shit about the good of the people in their nation
King Arthur isn't coming back
I think that just about covers it.
Ian Hall
>King Arthur isn't coming back. t. frog
Noah Jackson
>we need to interrogate people, should we use the guy with limited emotional control who appears autistic to both humans AND klingons, or should we use the person who can tell when someone is lying?
Brilliant.
Are there any Star Trek books which are actually good and worth reading? Preferably TNG onward.
Anthony Nguyen
>expecting Troi to come up with anything better than "I can sense... something..."
Anyway, this one is kinda fun, mainly because the writer clearly had fun writing dialogue for Bateson, and the b-plot is a sequel to Chain of Command that works a LOT better than it should.
Oliver Evans
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Nicholas Powell
>implying Carter wasn't basically Jesus
Easton Sanchez
So, looks like part of STD's plot was ripped from some indie dev's relatively unknown adventure game:
>Worf outranks Troi This should be wrong, unless that book takes place after Generations. Troi is a Lieutenant Commander and Worf during TNG was a Lieutenant, if memory serves.
Oliver Rivera
Consider that Miles O'Brien wasn't an officer.
It doesn't matter. If the captain says you are in charge of a project you are in charge of that project and are allowed, even obligated, to bitch slap any fucker who tells you otherwise.
Also would you want Troi in charge of anything?
Nolan Hall
>STD's plot is so shit, it stole it from some rando indie guy's shit game Jesus guys, could you be *any* more pathetic? Fuck you, STD.
Robert Anderson
I don't go for waifus or any of that, but goddamn is Nana Visitor an attractive woman. Kira is almost ten years younger than Visitor was when she was cast to play the role.
Jonathan Sanders
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Blake Foster
>Also would you want Troi in charge of anything?
I can think of a few things...
Samuel Murphy
Holy shit. This should be big news. That is absolutely detestable.
Landon Brown
Agreed. Any of us have a Twitter so we can send this shit to every news outlet that cares about Star Trek?
Brayden Thompson
Youtube videos haven't loaded yet because of my shit internet, but it looks like the author is complaining of visual and character similarities, not plot similarities.
Jordan Thomas
This is the lady who writes Anita Blake novels.
Henry Sanchez
...Minifig, you a Trekkie? Since when?
Juan Cooper
>They are on the verge of intergalactic travel using giant Tardigrades to travel anywhere in the universe. The main character, Carter, is a botanist whom will discover later in the game the connection between the super tough creature and instantaneous space travel.
Uh huh. Tardigrade FTL is totally not a plot point of any of STD's previous episodes.
Oh, I know I can get one, I just dont have the Lobi/EC. I always loved Intel ships, and the fact I can get one in delicious Son'a flavor makes me happy.
Brody Jenkins
Gorn medium cruiser.
Aaron Cooper
Now with the correct picture
Jaxon Howard
All I want is a woman who will look at me like pic related.
James Ramirez
Does STO have ships from the third Kelvin movie yet?
Camden Lewis
No Franklin. No NuConnie Refit. Unlikely to see either in the near future as the new season looks to focus on the Tzenkethi and the Dominion. But not the Cardassians because fuck me for wanting things, I guess.
David Bell
Fuckin' love tardigrades.
Sebastian Nelson
>no politician since Nixon "Wrong."
Jace Cook
Voth and Jem'hadar ships are pretty neat looking, but nothing quite matches the Xindi Aquatic ship for me (among minors at least).
Robert Murphy
>and the Dominion Orly? What are they hinting at being playable?
Noah Hughes
One of the ads for the next season had a Dominion fleet coming out of the Wormhole. It’s reasonable to assume that they’re going to be prime antagonists once again in the near future.
Dylan Collins
The "Spock's long lost nigger half sister" angle has almost certainly been done in fanfiction before as well.
Matthew Bailey
Or a remaster of the 2800 arc
Anthony Gutierrez
Another good novel, since it was a relatively unexplored idea. Captain Crane was totally and bizarrely obsessed with 19th century Northeastern fishing traditions, but at least he was a total nutcase using what could be best described as a Coast Guard Cutter.
Angel Smith
They’ve already remastered it once. I doubt that’s on the cards again so soon.
Thomas Hughes
Nope, they redid the rest of the Cardassian arc but the 2800 part wasn't touched. Same with the rest of the old featured episode arcs.
Luis Long
You sure? Because I distinctly remember a whole bulshit arc where I had to consecutively save DS9 from the Jem Hadar and the Smiley O’Brien’s cunt of a son, with the Mirror Klingons not being unbearable shits about the whole thing, for a change.
Ethan Myers
Yeah, that's the stuff that was redone. The arc involving the Jem'Hadar popping out from the wormhole, taking over the station, you go to the Gamma Quadrant, then bust out a Changeling from Fed secret prison, then spacewalk on DS9, all that wasn't touched because it was part of a featured episode series and not part of the initial Cardassian arc missions or the redone Cardassian arc.
Same as the Devidian arc in the middle of the Klingon missions, the Reman arc at the end of the Romulan missions (this one was slightly modified at the very end to better fit the Romulan faction story) and the Breen arc.
Joshua Jackson
The only FE they've ever redone was the Undine arc that used to be at the end of the Borg missions.
Caleb Butler
Trump isn't a politician, so his statement still holds true.
Nolan Mitchell
Self-aggrandization isn't concern for the common man. though I do admire his pulling out of the TPP.
James Wright
>the politician that runs my country isn't a politician because I'm actually retarded Thanks user. Next you'll be telling me that Bono isn't a musician because he's so far up his own ass that he only responds to the tern Artist.
Jack Anderson
I keep forgetting those were released post-launch. So aside from two cutscenes in "Cutting the Cord", the Borg and Undine episodes are the only post-launch content to be redone. Considering some of them are 7 years old by now, it's probably a matter of time.
Ayden Flores
Is this the STO model? Because holy fuck it looks awful. The whole central section looks like someone just taught the intern how to use extrude-cut in Solidworks.
Jack Cruz
It might be? I took the image from Memory Beta since I don't own one in game.
Cameron Gonzalez
>>the politician that runs my country isn't a politician because he's actually retarded FTFY
William Roberts
It's STO, they were never shown in their entirety in ENT. Good move, really drove home how enormous they're supposed to be.
Owen Ross
Here's a better pic.
Daniel Mitchell
See in that model it looks way more fluid and natural. I’m personally not a huge fan of hollow spaces in starships, particularly in what should be a core structural component, but at least the physical model goes to the bother of trying to flow.
Jacob Bell
You could do a lot worse than SotL. Like, say, "War Drums" which is basically "Fifty Shades of Narendra"-tier shitfic.
Not to mention Merideth Gentry (although the first couple Anita Blake novels >weren't< shitty Mary Sue pornfic).
Depending on what year it's written/set in, Troi may also have not passed her Command Branch certification test yet, and still technically be just a Medical officer. Worf could, terrifyingly, be more-qualified than her for the mission...
James Foster
Were vulcans always racist or is it just Kelvin timeline vulcans?
Carter Cruz
Vulcans were always racist, they just disguise it as logic.
Brandon Brown
Enterprise and STD Vulcans are also pretty iffy on their respect for non-Vulcans.
