/srg/ Shadowrun General

1-6 is within the standard range of personal ability. 1 will be fairly poor, but it's more "I can't succeed without working on this" than "I'm physically/mentally retarded".

Which is to say, there's a difference between having a natural 0 dice pool and being completely unable to do something. The former can get more dice. The latter is messed up no matter how many dice you add.

That said, having 1-3 dice in something is still generally a bumbling mess in specific areas without those same bonus dice.

Do I need to explain the meaning of regarded to you ? It doesn't go from 100 point IQ human straight to vegetable. There is a lot of wiggle room for that word and with a 1 you very well count as impaired.

That's new and different. I'll take a look.

>the meaning of regarded
You might need to look it up for yourself.

Damn auto correct, that's what you get for mobile posting.

Can't reproduce it. Can you show me a screenshot of what you're seeing?

Yup.
The cultured bioware grade dropdown is grayed out as well.

How do I bond Qi foci in chummer chargen mode?

>get hired to steal some container off a freight ship in the ADL
>during the run we learn the ship is run by a small family with kids and a high-force but free water spirit
>security detail for the container is independent and sticks to their end of the ship
>the content of said container seems to be very valuable but we're too stupid to know for sure (some paracritter or dragon thingie maybe)
>we decide to steal the container for ourselves (since johnson strongarmed us into it anyway [fuck your railroad with a fork])
>so we need to make it look like we died during the run so we can wait in a bolthole until we can sell
>leave our SINs on ship and go for the good old "everything sploded" in the hopes it will cover our tracks
>kill the security forces, lay down the explosives around the room where the container was
>can trick the water spirit (he doesnt know what those red sticks with a timer on are)
>kid sees us, makes photo of us as we leave the ship with the container
>the Face (me) goes back to intimidate the family into deleting the evidence (too good natured to kill them) and tell them to leave the soon-to-be-exploded ship
>as i want to catch up with the rest of the team to blow up the ship with my detonator in hand the water spirit intercepts me
>he noticed me threatening the family
>he's furious as shit
>i'm in the water
>end of session

Wat do? I doubt i can seriously talk the spirit down. Even as a face that would be unrealistic. Was thinking of using the detonator to threaten to blow up the family, but that seems awfully short-termed.

>destroy a whole family's livelihood and put a child in danger just to skip out on a job

I hope that water spirit drowns you slowly.

Oh D*G, was this ship, by chance, coming from south america?

Threatening the ghost with killing the Family seems like a decent enough way out until your Team is close enough to kill him.

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1. Are you the mage too?
2. If no, distract it (presumably with threatening the family) long enough for the mage to try and deal with it/save your dumb ass.
3. If yes, g the tfo as fast as is metahumanly possible.

You're completely right, although we only learned of the family during the job (bad legwork).
And working for the Johnson (Vory) seems like a horrible way to die sooner or later anyway (remember, he blackmailed us into the job)

I don't think it was from the azzies. At least not yet.

1. No, i'm not, although my team has three mages (two of them very new players unfamilar with their options)
2. That's what i plan to do, yeah.
3. I smell burned edge.

Also i planned to send them some money once we sold.

Where do I go to read about Britain and the British military? I know some basic stuff, but is there any book/section of a book really dedicated to it?

They tried to invaded Tír na nÓg, but the elves did a massive ritual that poisoned every bit of tea on the British Isles. The whole country was wiped out by lunchtime.

Why are you niggas such babies in need to be spoonfeed and unable to do basic researcb
shadowrun.wikia.com/wiki/United_Kingdom
shadowiki.de/Vereinigtes_Königreich_Großbritannien
and then you simply check the bottoms of this links for sources, go to the mega and download what you need

Because you're not supposed to need academic-level research efforts just to learn about a fictional game setting. That stuff ought to be listed in the game manual which we paid for.

>which we paid for.
Don't

You're the reason games wither out and die.

Downloading game books is outright stealing money from the developer. Actually no, it's worse because not only are you stealing, but you're spreading the attitude that what you're doing is okay. Imagine soneone taking YOUR work, the work you count on to feed your family, taking that and distributing it freely while you have to take a third mortage just to get by. This is seriously disgusting and hahahaha just kidding, just kidding, Jesus Christ, could you imagine?

One thing is to want general information about the setting/world
Another is to want information about specific information about a region you whinny bitch
>academic level research
oh no woe is me to type 3 words into google and download the free books with all the info I need

chummer, we WANT CGL to die and the license to go to someone else
because it's staffed by hacks, retards, assholes, thieves and various combinations of those
even IF you buy any of their books or is questionable whether any of that money teaches the writers

*reaches the writers
but teaches is fine too

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you wrote like a faggot so I assumed you're a faggot

If I was loaded I'd be buying that shit all day every day because I love having books.

But I'm poor as shit the cost of the single book is fucking immense to me when I need to pay for other things.

I appreciated your post annon
People should really read stuff to the end before throwing bitchfits

Chummer, you don't need an excuse when it's CGL. Don't bother.

Do you make a habit of carrying rope? I always always always have some on me in D&D and it tends to come in handy, but I've yet to pull it out of my bag in shadowrun. Was it a waste?

No. Rope is always useful, but in SR there's always other options as well.

Aren't those French soldiers?

What era are these photos in? The Great War? I've never seen those wooly tunics (jackets?) before until now.

Maybe?
Imagine what use you would have for this rope
Climbing? Gecko Tape Gloves are supperior
Binding People? Zipties(plastic restrains) are easier to carry around.
Wilderness survival? Sure if you ever go out of town.
I can tell you that I am yet to have needed a rope. Like even once.

They had the balls to release the 5e core book in the state it's in, after mistreating their writers and filling it with crappy fanfiction.

They need to go out of business so that someone else can pick up SR and treat it right.

>Do you make a habit of carrying rope
Grapple gun.

If you need more reason than that, then I don't know what to tell you.

The glorious Anglo-French Union makes no distinction.

This

Grapple guns are fucking awesome.
You can't always make your flashy entrance into an elevated room by using a flying carpet.

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Why does the water spirit care about some meatbags?

I just try to make an Aware character in the latest Nightly.

Up to 60% of the human body is water?

>the water spirit is actually controlling the family of meat-puppets

Shit, we need to shut this down before CGL get another idea for a Body Snatcher metaplot.

I read your post and I agree with this user here:

Salt Water spirit, and it senses your tears.

>Climbing? Gecko Tape Gloves are supperior
Because nobody from your team could possibly benefit from a dropped rope after you climb in first.

>Elemental
>bra
>belly button

Yep. Most armies were undergoing significant modernization in the years leading up to and into the war. France was upgrading from its more Napoleonic uniforms to something designed to provide better camouflage. They wound up somewhere in the middle, as designs like pic related were outed for being "unpatriotic"

I'd give her some salty liquid all right, ifyouseewhatimean.
This is why you specialize in Seduce.

Well to be fair last time we needed to get the decker to a roof I just put him on my back and gecko taped to the top

You could have used rope to tie him to your back for a lesser risk.

Could and need are two different things
Wasting time is all that would have been achieved by this
Rope is just so much less useful when you have modern tech and magic in your disposal

>Wasting time is all that would have been achieved by this
And higher security. Low cost, high effectiveness.

I still would have climbed solo, because adding ~80kg of weight and then pulling yourself up on a level surface is a tall order. Besides which, it also increases profile in case someone comes by, and takes two people out of commission in case of failure instead of one.

So yes, you don't NEED it, but it can be a useful thing to have. With lucky rolls/babying GM you can get by even with stupid decisions, but that is a poor argument.

Modern tech and magic are not always available or applicable.

Can you get a mod for things like changing face structure or anything?

Or what about mods for being able to like have cybernetic legs/arm/spine that let you adjust your own height?

I've been wanting to make a "chameleon" type infiltration focused pseudo-face of some sort. Load up on implants like having contacts you can adjust the eye color of, implanted smart wig, those cybernetic breast implants that let the user change size on the fly, those kinds of things, as well as implanted sensors and smartlink and such so she can be a wire wearing spy that can easily change her appearance basically.
What other kinds of mods/items would be good for that character concept?

>Can you get a mod for things like changing face structure or anything?
Sure, face sculpt. Fake face chrome is a huge red flag anywhere that you're better off not having any at all.
>Or what about mods for being able to like have cybernetic legs/arm/spine that let you adjust your own height?
Body sculpt. You can even change your gender.

Face sculpt, body sculpt, keratin/melanin/voice control. Enjoy being faceless.

>That pic
It's not really a proper Shadowrun troll, but I wonder what sex with her would be like. Would I need a mechanical pelvis to satisfy her in bed? Would a normal human dick be big enough? Would french-kissing someone with tusks be feasible? How spooky would it be to get head from one? Could she literally crush my head with her thighs when she orgasms around me? So many questions.

Any SR books that deal or describe this subject matter?

There's a lot of stuff I'd do with a grappling gun that's not just climbing

The monowire could be used for traps or a makeshift monowhip
Rope dispenser for hogtying, maybe even gecko rope
Trick heads to replace the grappling head, some with matching rope material: datatap, taser, magesight, weighted flail
Ropeless mode to turn it into a makeshift crossbow firing bladed heads or bolas

Shame it ain't RAW

Let's treat the thigh crush as grappling. RAW, subduing and grappling doesn't deal Physical damage at first, and deals DV equal to the attacker's STR. For any metatype, STR 6 unresisted would take at least 4 turns (about 12 seconds) to send the victim into Dying Overflow (2 turns to wipe out Stun and overflow into Physical, 2 to wipe out Phys)

But could you actually crush a skull? Let's look at the science.

thejns.org/doi/abs/10.3171/2012.8.PEDS12116?url_ver=Z39.88-2003
Scientists testing bike helmets on cadaver skulls found that when crushed, unprotected skulls fractured at 190 pounds-force (82 kg) and had "catastrophic" failures beyond, up to 520 lbf (235 kg).

Let's assume that a thigh-crushing test be treated as a Lifting test, implying that the adductors alone can exert the same force as a whole-body lift/carry.

A STR 5 character (the minimum for a Troll) can already exert enough force to "lift" 75 kg without a test. That's almost enough for a skull fracture. With the Troll minimums of BOD 5 + STR 5, she'd get to buy or average 2 hits to make that into 105 kg of force, easily cracking a naked skull but not outright squishing it.

Of course, a troll at peak conditioning (STR 10 = 150 kg) would have no trouble cracking the skull, possibly even crushing it catastrophically. At BOD 10, she could buy or average 5 hits, increasing that force to 225 kg... almost enough to pop that skull like a cherry tomato. Almost.

But get this -- the average weight given for a Troll is 300 kg. She could just facesit you to death without even thinking about it.

So if you ever need to perform quick execution, just ask the Troll to have a seat.

I'm trying to build up a pile of obnoxious gimmicky goons for a game I'm planning on running. Does anyone know where I can find good gimmick builds for 4E?

I am equally horrified and aroused, as expected. Bravo.

The thought of my troll-fu forgetting herself in the heat of the moment and suffocating me unconscious under her monstrous physique is giving me a raging boner. Now I HAVE to know if someone wrote about inter-species sex with female trolls somewhere.

Isn't the 300kg averages for males only? Women weigh less.

>not really a proper Shadowrun troll
Thats because thats literally an Oni.

>this entire post
I love you Veeky Forums

Great, now I'm making an unarmed troll waifu. I hope you're happy.

I took the statistics from SR420 and it doesn't specify whether those averages are for male or female. Even if female Trolls are lighter on average, they would need to be about 78% the average weight of a male Troll just to average 235 kg. That seems a tad extreme, looking at the modern average of human men (195 lbs) and women (168 lbs) giving a difference of 83%.

Ask your GM first. Death by facesitting does seem a mite cheesy.

I also calculated Breast-only Adiposis, should I repost that?

Your babes are killing me. I want to find an irl girlfriend like those so bad...
Hum. Yes, please do.

Methonium/synecdoche is amazing, go look them up!

Here's a screencap of the most recent numbers. At that point I'd quadruple-checked them so it should be more or less reliable.

TLDR: basketball boobs that weight 20-30 kg. Imagine carrying a Basset hound with you everywhere.

So why do trolls weigh that much in the first place, is it the dermal deposits?

I assume it's a rough estimate of the bone and muscle mass for that height, plus the given minimum STR score.

But I also assume CGL bungled up the math, if they ever touched it.

>She could just facesit you to death without even thinking about it
I disagree. Among fat fetishizers being crushed by one in bed is a huge turn on, and I've seen some perform it on video with no injury with women weighing at least that, with much more flabby fat to clog breathing gaps. Sure, if they stayed there for a couple minutes straight the guy would suffocate, but who orgasms for 2 straight minutes? Even then, some gentle slaps to the face and he wakes up with a hard-on.

As for skull-crushing thighs, well, there's that famous gif with the watermelons, too...

That's probably because the weight is distributed and not completely sitting on the head, especially with those rolls going around and a soft mattress underneath. We weren't even factoring in suffocation, though! It's important to note that in those scenarios, the woman doing the sitting doesn't want to actually crush or injure their partner.

The force for crushing a watermelon is given as 320 lb (145 kg), easily attainable.

Thank god for bone lacing, spinal realignment, and muscle augmentation.

600-700 pounds is around the top end of human fat (barring some insane people). Muscle is a lot heavier than fat, and trolls are 2.5 to 3 times larger than a human and that's a volumetric increase. I'd imagine they'd probably be heavier than 300kg.

Seeing as we're talking about trolls, can we get an adiposis calculation for troll boobs?

It's very relevant to shadowrun. It's like... for a run. Into......... I'm gonna say a porn studio? Yeah. That.

Post shit that would be great translated into shadowrun:
>Shiawase director's son is a sadistic lunatic, but so much internal media has focused on raising him into an obvious leader, and he has such support from his father that he is destined for at least regional manager position
>unless a rag tag group of runners led by an ex Shiawase elite assassin can take him out during his tour of Shiawase facilities, where he leaves a trail of hushed-up atrocities in his wake
>climax is a drone factory complex emptied of workers and booby-trapped to shit, slowly grinding down a huge military group assigned to help some field testing with the newest drones, all so the target can look leaderly at the head of a newly powerful Shiawase military

That's actually a bit more math and research than I was initially willing to get into, but here's what we would need to know:

A proper BMI calculation adjusted for Troll physiology. This BMI accounts for the additional bone and muscle mass required to sustain the larger frame of Trolls. I don't know the math for this.

Base Troll muscle mass must be equivalent to a STR 5 human and by default, without conditioning, lift 75 kg (165 lb) of weight.

For comparison:
exrx.net/Testing/WeightLifting/DeadliftStandards.html
This chart states that an untrained 100 kg (220 lb) male should be able to deadlift 75 kg (165 lbs). So a Troll of STR 5 would actually be quite wiry for how tall he is.

So all we need is to figure out how much bone and muscle we'd need for a humanoid of that size and strength. I'm sure there's a formula out there...

If you're not keen on the math I'll give it a shot.

I dunno how the BMI works, but They need a BMI of 30 to be clinically obese, AND they need to weight 30% more than they normally would. If we assume 20% of that weight is in the boobs, then we know that a 300kg troll would have at least 60kg of bosom, double a normal human.

Based on what you said (a cubic centimetre of fat weighs .905 grams) there should be 66,298 cubic centimeters of fat in those boobs, or about 33,000 cubic centimeters in each. That means each boob would have 33 liters of fat.

No clue how to calculate the diameter of the boob, but they sound like they'd be fucken hewj.

I want to build a single drone rigger, are there any alternatives to the steel lynx ?

Would the bioware chameleon skin stack with the chameleon processor cyberware?

The chameleon processor lets you change skin color as a free action, and also acts as a rating 4 chameleon suit (Add 2 to your limit when you make Sneaking tests to hide also gives you a +2 dice pool bonus to Sneaking Tests for hiding) while a naked character with chameleon skin increases their limit for stealth by 2 and adds +2 dice pool to stealth tests while stationary.

Could you get cyberlimbs to work with skin bioware somehow? Like would it be possible to have an advanced synthetic cyberlimb that would just be under your actual skin, rather than just encased in a coating that looks (but apparently doesn't feel) like skin?

If we use all 30% in the bewbs (90 kg of weight) then it becomes 99,447 cc, or 99.5 liters for the whole bust.

50 liters in each boob.

Bumblebee is pretty good.

>There is a lot of wiggle room for that word and with a 1 you very well count as impaired.
If you take 1s across the board in mental attributes, then you fit the way some people use Logic 1 here, regardless of what you call it.

Logic 1 alone? You're bad at X Mechanic skills, Software, Hardware, Computer, Electronic Warfare, Cybercombat, Hacking, Biotechnology, Medicine, First Aid, Arcana, Armorer, Chemistry, Demolitions, Forgery, Academic Knowledge skills, Professional Knowledge skills, and possibly Memory tests.

Some people will bring up how computers are everywhere and being bad at the Computer skill will ruin you ... no it won't. Basic usage is not covered by rolling dice. That's for stuff that's actually difficult or has a chance of failure. You will be a the equivalent of a modern 'hunt and peck' typist who asks literal (poorly worded and thought out) questions of their search engine, but you aren't cut off from technology entirely. You might even have grown up in Redmond or similar. Or you could be part of the Iconerate generations, and never pulled out of it.

A tricked out NeoNet Juggernaut.

>She could just facesit you to death

Does a product like pic related but in purse/backpack form exist in Shadowrun? I feel like it should, let you carry around a large variable wardrobe in a small space.

>Some people will bring up how computers are everywhere and being bad at the Computer skill will ruin you ... no it won't. Basic usage is not covered by rolling dice. That's for stuff that's actually difficult or has a chance of failure. You will be a the equivalent of a modern 'hunt and peck' typist who asks literal (poorly worded and thought out) questions of their search engine, but you aren't cut off from technology entirely. You might even have grown up in Redmond or similar. Or you could be part of the Iconerate generations, and never pulled out of it.
Wrong. The people who 'hunt and peck' type and ask literal (poorly worded and thought out) questions of their search engine still likely have a Log score of 3 (as is average) or at most 2 (literal street scum ganger example in 5e crb). Your unskilled 1log street sam would be even more worthless at it than your grandma with Alzheimer's.

Don't they have problems with fitting through doors ?
Ares Paladin seems fun to since mini tank, but it looks like i can't mod it since 5(0)body.

Yes they have a problem with smashing through doors too small for them.

Some call it a problem I call it "Integrated Breaching Chassis"

Assuming spherical because that's easier, each one would be 40 cm in diameter.

Maybe, but natural boobs are slope-ier the bigger they get. If we want spheres we could suggest fake boobs, but if you have those why would you need adiposis?

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