Will belisarus cawl become fabricator general of mars one day?

How did Cawl manage to even improve the geneseed?
Did he just have an eugenics project going on to produce a race of humans which have ridiculously good compatibility with progenoid glands to the point that geneseed extracted from them is of such quality that it's better than those extracted from regular battlebrothers or something?

Cawl's ability to create better marines than the Emperor is bullshit and canon rape on cosmic scale.

He's been pen pals with Fabious Bile for the past thousand years or so.

He did have 10,000 years to work on it

Eh, I don't think it's an asspull to optimize the specs of existing Marines through experimentation with combinations of different geneseed lineages and an eugenics program to produce the perfect seedbed for gene seed over the period of say, 10000 years.
This Might produce Marines with higher specs than the current ones with degraded gene stocks.

Hard part is to do it without chaos shenigans.
The concept of Primaris Marines is not inherently flawed.

Thing is, creation of new gene seed or improving the old has always been described as absolute arcane science, possible only for the Emperor and his techno-wrights. Time and time again they told us that is one of the reasons why geneseed is so incredibly valuable, and why every attempt has met with spectacular failure (check out the 21st founding).

And then, suddenly, BAM! Some giant caterpillar has created thousands of them, better then the Emperor's own designed ones in pretty much every way.

the emperrors will and wishes have very little to do with the modern imperium.

>better then the Emperor's own designed ones in pretty much every way.

Except for unit flexibility. I don't see Primaris Intercessors carrying around flamers and lascannons, do you?

I'm holding out hope for if/when they announce that Cawl admits he had the idea for the Primaris Marines come to him via some voices. He thought the voice was that of The Emperor but it then turns out its those whacky Chaos Gods again and everything goes to hell in a handbasket. Either that or the Void Dragon has something to do with it and eventually breaks our of Mars.

Why does Cawl wear the mask?

He had thousands and thousands of years to work on it, but what he stuck in wasn't all that different, really. Some extra bolstering to the muscles and such, and half of a gland that Primarchs had (because he only had half the schematics).

The Emperor could have made the Space Marines stronger from the get-go. He didn't because he struck a balance between quality and quantity for time expended making them.

Primaris aren't better than Legion Era marines, because they're much harder to make. The ability to create marines at the rate the emperor created them during the Great Crusade is lost, and the current method is a dim shadow of the speed and efficacy of the Emperor's methods, which allowed him to create the legions from nothing in a fairly short time, while still confined mostly to Terra.

The way marines are created now was a stop-gap or "on the go" method used during the GC. Since that's all we have, maybe Primaris are better with that method. But they certainly aren't better or more suited to the task the Emperor designed the legions for. Maybe they ARE better for the galaxy as we find it in 40k though.

I am talking about physical comparison. A Primaris Marines is bigger, tougher, stronger and faster than the Emperor's made Marine. And that was supposed to be absolutely utterly impossible.

Nice one. I actually believe it will end up with him deciding that Guilliman is holding him back, similarily to what happened with Kelbor-Hal during the Heresy.

Also, holding claws for Fabius to do something Fabulous, and Alpha Legions to do what they do best.

Was supposed to be

You know that Custodes exists right? The Emperor made marine never was the apex of the craft, it was just the best compromise between making a human as super as possible while still being able to churn out millions of them pretty fast.

Not when you remember that the current chapters have had 10,000 years of degradation without proper maintenance, a perfect understanding of the implantation process, warp exposure and a huge variety of toxins and diseases.

For all we know, Cawl marines are just what SM used to look like in the beginning.

Yes, but that has nothing to do that creating new space marines was supposed to be utterly impossible to do by anyone except for the Emperor, and nobody is even close to his level.

That is not true my friend. Primaris are new breed of marines, bigger, better, tougher. It is stated everywhere. They raped the lore by allowing Cawl to do something like that.

Not really. The Emperor created post-human super soldiers that weren't as super as his own personal entourage, so there's clearly more that can be done but isn't for whatever reason as a compromise between efficacy and efficiency. Cawl simply continued the enhancement process beyond that which the Emperor established using Marines as the basis, rather than standard humans.

>creating new space marines was supposed to be utterly impossible to do by anyone except for the Emperor

I'd like some sauce with that.

But the only ones still calling themselves mechanicum instead of mechanicus in the 42 millenium are heretecs.

>so there's clearly more that can be done but isn't for whatever reason
Custodes are *insanely* hard to make. They're an order of magnitude above Marines, but the creation cost is similarly increased or worse, and when you compare how hard Marines are to make... So yeah, Cawl could have improved Marines a lot, but we have yet to see what the tradeoffs were.

The more important question is:
Why the hell is the first named admech char some dougnut steel Mary Sue? They could've brought back Arkham Land ffs!

>pitch a fit about tradeoffs being made between making a Custode and making a Marine
>omit the part where the post he writes specifically says "compromise between efficacy and efficiency"
Why are you arguing a point that you clearly already agree with on?

The whole primaris marine fluff is such a crappy way to push models.

GW really should have said, "we've been wanting to make marines represent their fluff on the tabletop both in terms of their modes and rules for a while now. With 8th edition, we consider our new marine models and rules to be representative of their background, especially since 40k is no longer the skirmish game that the original marine stats were written for. "

Cawl could have just rediscovered or maintained the emperors methods of astartes production and only with the underwriting and authority of a re-awakened Gulliman could he disseminate this knowledge to help humanity without being charged a heretek.

Oh well.

>Emperor whips up Space Marines as more easily controlled and longer lived Thunder Warriors in his basement after a drunken bender
>Explicitly not as strong as they could be, makes a better in every way personal guard
>Belisarus Cawl manages to improve on the Emperor's canonically meh (for his standardsm anyway) design after 10,000 years of hard work and toil
>This is apparently somehow rapes the lore

>Those are glimmers of hope for me.

corruption =/= hope

Youve got brain beasties.

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The emperor may have liked it, but by the standards of the dumb fucks of mars, he's a heretk just for not being conservative with muh sacred technologee

I'm more interested in his mini pylons. Imagine putting one into a railgun and shooting it into a Sorceror's skull

>possible only for the Emperor and his techno-wrights.

Cawl IS one of those. He worked alongside Emps. It was Cawl that invented the Black carapace.

>For all we know, Cawl marines are just what SM used to look like in the beginning.
Not even close.

Because the primaris are just a trickery to sell more models to 12 year olds that for some reason love guys with gigantism.

Either way, it's a bloody surprise that primaris are even possible. Deaths after the implantation of gene seed are common in normal astartes, how the hell a boy's body manage to transform into a primaris? It's far more chemicals and more organs there. Overdose should've been the rule

Guilliman says that he's intentionally not allowing Cawl to become Fabricator-General because he's almost certainly lying about his origins and is a heretek

The fuck are you even talking about user? Do you even know the process involved in making a marine? In Cawls case all he did was add two more organs based off the Emperors work on the Primarchs.

>In Cawls case all he did was add two more organs based off the Emperors work on the Primarchs.
That's exactly my point.
You speak like putting organs into a child is a easy thing. The amplifier alone should kill them.

>Trying to make logical sense of 40k

I doesnt happen all at the same time.

Cawl was one of the techno wights who worked with the emperor on the original geneseed project

Didn't Cawl actually work on the original space marines with the Emperor?

It is absolutely 10% an asspull, and adding a poorly thought out retcon isn't fooling anyone over the mental age of 12. It's also utterly at odds with the central premise of 40k and the imperium in particular.

The fucking state of this board.

>t's also utterly at odds with the central premise of 40k and the imperium in particular that was created a decade after 40k's inception as a part of the eXXXtreme 90s fad

>possible only for the Emperor and his techno-wrights.

Cawl worked on the original gene-seed.
The Primaris really aren't that impressive, they have one brand new organ, the Belisarian Furnace, which just synthesises certain drugs and pumps them into the body.
The other two implants are the Emperor's work, the Magnificat, and a mechanical augmentation, the sinew coils.

>implying Guillaman wasn't just being facetous

It's harder to invent something than to refine an existing invention

He's been Fabious Bile for the past thousand years or so.
FTFY

Except he did invented it

Cawl is an absolute madman

Ub, back when you could get gene seed direct from the Primarchs they implanted anyone who was a gene match. With the creation of Chapters and the scaricity of gene seed they only give it to the best of the best. "Modern" marines would kick the shit out of crusade marines 1v1

>You speak like putting organs into a child is a easy thing.

Until you get caught it is.

Actually, that would be a pretty sweet plot-twist

Does it matter? He's a tool for GWs to make a large variety of new models. Ignore the entire rest of the mechanicus who could otherwise get some attention. Cawl made it. New thing? Cawl, cawl, cawl. Isn't he cool with his totally-not-an-AI? He's open minded and cool! Speaking of, Cawl™ is the new in universe pronunciation of cool! How 'Cawl' is that?

They look nothing alike

Cuck

>Ignore the entire rest of the mechanicus who could otherwise get some attention. Cawl made it. New thing?

Cawl is the new thing guy, the rest of the Ad Mech are traditionally against new things.

Except none of the things he's made are really new at all.

Cawl is an exosuit, problem solved.

Yeah they are, new Marines, new guns, new tanks, new space ships.

Cawl is one of the greatest assets the Imperium has. He not only understands the old technology, but he actively attempts to improve it.

Even if he's pushing the line at a hundred miles an hour, they can't oust him because not only is he too dangerous to have as an enemy, he is too valuable to lose as an ally.

>new marines
Most of the new bits are just him taking what he could from the emperors designs and the un-new bit is simple shit.
>new guns
What's new in them?
>Hovertanks
Had those in 30k.

>new ships
Sauce?

>Most of the new bits are just him taking what he could from the emperors designs and the un-new bit is simple shit.

No more simple than other gene-seed.

>What's new in them?

They're just generally better.

>Had those in 30k.

They had Rhinos. But Cawl has made Hover Land Raider and Hover Super Heavies. He's also increased the strenth of the gravitational distortion effect so anyone who goes under gets smushed.

>Sauce?

Dark Imperium. The Inceptors deploy out of a new class of ship. Hell, lets not even forget Mk10 armour, which is the most advanced power armour yet, and comes in a whole heap of subtypes. Then of course there's the Overlord as well, which is a new aircraft.

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