What's up with people hating on games that smack, even remotely, of Otherkin?
I get that otherkin are weirdos, but I also haven't really heard a single, solitary thing about them since 2004. Aside from people accusing Changeling the Dreaming, Beast the Primordial, or Fireborn of being "Otherkin the RPG". I'm not going to say that those games aren't Otherkin the RPG.
But who cares?
Why should a game be derided because there is a weirdo somewhere who thinks he's a wolf? Why should I care, at all? Why is it okay to play a game where you're a dwarf, but not a dragon?
>head and neck is one layer >hand and arm is another layer Why?
I don't really mind. I've had players who's idea of fantasy includes stealing from innocent people, killing anyone that is slightly impolite to them, playing the same fucking orc every time, getting a list of spells that grows more and more convoluted and generalist, etc. And then there's players who never show up, players that never shut up, etc.
So I can't really care if someone wishes they were a dragon. I've know people who were trans who were totally chill, and that's kinda sorta the sameish.
Wait a second, are otherkin the reason why dragonborn are a core race but undead aren't? Fuck 'em.
Matthew Perez
It's a Veeky Forums boogie man. In a society where it is becoming increasingly unacceptable to hate anyone, more and more obscure fandoms and groups are people you are allowed to hate since nobody socially will stick up for them.
Ergo; Veeky Forums hates 'Otherkin' and 'Furries' despite how utterly unoffensive those groups are.
Veeky Forums is no different then the bully in the lunchroom, but instead of getting mad fun of, this time they're the ones who are going to make fun of people just a little bit more pathetic then them.
Levi Thompson
>Furries >Unoffensive
I'm a massive furfag and furries, as a fandom, are nowhere near unoffensive. Just look at what happened at Rainfurrest.
Noah Baker
>Veeky Forums hates 'Otherkin' and 'Furries' despite how utterly unoffensive those groups are.
Jackson Ward
Define "remotely".
You'll also find that lots of people are fine with playing a dragon. In fact, the very premise of Beast is what caused it to pick up steam during the Kickstarter. A game where you play as classical monsters? People thought that was great, and they still do. People in the WoD general often lament that Beast turned out the way it did, and they still make up cool Horrors. What mainly got Beast derided as Otherkin is that your monster powers are actually invisible outside of your Lair, meaning from an outside perspective your player would look like a fucking loony who swears he has the soul of a dragon.
Similar thing with Changeling: the Dreaming, I believe. Lost still has you playing as weird fairy beast people, but it ditched the idea that being a weird fairy beast person makes you *special*. In Dreaming, that was the core concept. Your soul was from a special magic realm, and you had to fight against giving in to the banality of life and hold on to your unique otherness for as long as you could.
Just playing as a dragon person isn't what made people label those games as Otherkin. I don't know shit about Fireborn though.
Angel Russell
I have a hard time getting angry about it when we have people RIGHT NOW defacing artifacts from the dawn of fucking mankind because they are "western influence". I have a hard time getting mad about internet shit these days, and I am sad I have to bring up /pol/ shit to explain why.
Sebastian Howard
Man, basically everything in the VTM universe is hamstrung by the idea of the masquerade. Each of them has one, it's always garbage that RUINS what the game -could- be, and turns it into some kind of edgy drama simulator.
Brody Bailey
Well yeah sure a bunch of furfags dryhumping eachother at a convention isn't as bad as fucking ISIS. No one is saying otherwise.
But that doesn't change the fact furryshit is weird, gross, and inappropriate behavior.
Ethan James
I dunno about increasingly becoming unnaceptable to hate anyone being the reason. Most of the furry and otherkin hate I saw goes back to the mid 2000's, before acceptance movements got as strong as they are now.
Henry Bennett
Spotted the Otherkin!
Jordan Cook
Didn't you get the memo user nowadays it ok to be gay.
Josiah Morris
Weird, gross, and inappropriate behavior is fucking tame these days, user. I see that shit every time I see someone come out of a starbucks with an abomination.
Gavin Sanders
Believe it or not edgy drama simulators are kind of what the games aim to be. The existence of the supernatural stuff being kept secret is the core premise to the setting. What if all this stuff was real, going on right under your nose? What if there was a secret World of Darkness going on in the modern day? If the supernatural wasn't kept secret, that would fall apart pretty fast and the games would become a discount Shadowrun or some shit.
Xavier Baker
The fuck does /pol/ have to do with anything?
Ryder Wright
>What if all this stuff was real, going on right under your nose? What if there was a secret World of Darkness going on in the modern day? Then I would run a game where a vampire, a doppleganger, a lizardman, and a cybran all find out they can't find any more humans, and they all need to find real humans to continue their various schemes.
It would be an investigative comedy as they unveil the story of the slow replacement of humanity with near-human superpowered beings.
Justin Brooks
I've never, not once, in my life heard of a 'Otherkin RPG'
Regardless, if the game is one of those kind of RPGs with an agenda (see: every feminist RPG or every hardcore LGBTQ RPG) then it's a shit RPG.
An otherkin RPG sounds like one of those kinds of RPGs, but I could be wrong.
Daniel Nguyen
The thing he just mentioned, user.
Henry Price
Making fun of Minority group will always be easy
Isaiah Harris
You just proved my point?
It's some random dude in a dog suite playing pretend and sniffing the 'asshole' of a giant inflatable dog. Wow, big fucking deal. So fucking "offensive".
It's goofy as shit, sure, but it's not hurting anyone. You have people on this very same website that are trying to censor and manipulate the users here. You have a government trying to take away your freedoms and assholes trying to kill you for your money. It's all far more impactful to your daily life then anything some weirdo fetishist is doing in their own private life which you wouldn't have even known about if another dumb Veeky Forums contrarian hadn't taken a screenshot of that post and spread it around everywhere to trigger autists like you.
Because they're a group of people that's consistently annoying to deal with. I don't often have to deal with it in the first place though as I only play games with people I know, but pretty much anything I could do to discourage them from my hobbies that doesn't ruin other shit is fine by me I'd take your point a step further and say what does fucking ISIS have to do with anything? It's not like pointing out that there are worse people on earth makes every other annoying person somehow exempt from criticism
Matthew Wood
It -does- make it hard to care about the annoying people, however. Like having your hand cut off would make you stop caring about some papercuts.
Ryder Anderson
Yeah, giving a shit about furries is sort of like trying to force gay marriage when you have a skeleton army coming to fuck up your day.
Charles Morris
Annual furry convention. In 2015, the furries attendance acted even more like insane hedonistic freaks than usual and overall made the experience a living hell for people there with the proper number of chromosomes. Highlights included adult men running around in diapers, flooding the lobby with toilet water, late night drunken yiff orgies, and overall just acting like dicks to the hotel staff. The event was such a fiasco the convention is now gone forever.
It will not be missed.
Colton Campbell
No, in this case it's more like there's a skeleton army fighting orcs half a world away, but there's a bunch of people in animal costumes shitting on your lawn.
Lincoln Barnes
not on my lawn, still half a world away.
Carter Walker
Because first impressions are essential and furries fucked up first impressions.
Kevin Hill
I gotta say, that's entirely accurate. Every problem I used to have with furfags online I now have with /pol/fags. Except the /pol/fags also follow me to the real world. It's nightmarish. I just want a hamburger, I don't want to hear about politics.
Gavin Carter
The majority of people weren't even hear when the furry sagas occured.
You hate furries out of legacy and to look cool to all your badass E-friends, not for any legitimate reason, faggot.
Adrian Bell
No, as a furry, I know what we still do. A cursory glance at /trash/ is enough of a reminder.
Jayden Reed
>Why should I care, at all? well that's just the fucking point isn't it. I don't, I don't care what, who, or how you jack it. people are into all kinds of weird shit. they just don't go round shouting about it. The furfag otherkin cockgarglinanimites or whatever they're calling themselves now made such a fucking fuss I'm still annoyed
and this, this fucking kid. I don't hate him, I'm not offended by him. I want to give him a slap upside the head and tell him "He's not a dragon and to get his shit together" and don't even start me on the fucking attack-helicopters
Joseph Sanchez
.../trash/ is literally the furry board. How is it shoving it in people's faces when it is literally the board for them?
Michael Flores
I didn't say anything about ISIS.
Aiden Martinez
Not by name, but what else am I to assume the person you were replying to was talking about? I wasn't disagreeing with the post I linked if that's what you think
Grayson Roberts
Because it's a meme
Aaron Garcia
If anything, I see less furry hate nowadays. I think they got supplanted by SJWs and/or /pol/ as the CLEANSE THE HERETIC meme targets.
If you're defining Otherkin as everything, Ironclaw is a furry game that's generally considered to have interesting mechanics and gets mentioned on Veeky Forums every now and then. If that's exclusively the Toasterkin stuff I got nothing.
Carter Kelly
some people are quite sensitive to the idea they might be associated with the wrong kind of people, especially if those people are outwardly similar to them.
to a normal person looking in from the outside on hobbies like RPGs, they do not easily grasp the fine distinctions that exist within those communities. tabletop gamers are aware of this fact and keen to establish, however and whenever they can, that they are absolutely not one of "those people", who share the hobby, and might otherwise be regarded as part of the same general category of people who play pretend in basements, but whose status is much lesser.
freud called it the "narcissism of small differences" in the context of nationalism, where ethnic groups living side by side which would seem almost identical to a foreigner were extremely sensitive of whatever small distinctions existed between them and keen to reinforce those distinctions.
or maybe it's just because changeling and beast were shit
Levi Fisher
It's a containment board, a standing testament to what furries will bring if allowed to spread.
Lucas Parker
Hey, Veeky Forums aint much better in that regard.
William White
Are you seriously dumb enough to think that nobody from /trash/ posts anywhere else?
Michael Hughes
>Guys what's wrong with wanting to fuck dogs Summarizing a 500 page document to fit in one post is too much work.
You don't hear about these degenerates because they were thankfully beaten out of polite society and placed in their own festering pits. If you think your life lacks strong emotions, take a step into furaffinity, into e621, and be ready for the most genuine feeling of repulse you'll feel in this life. People don't want to give these games any berth, because that's giving those people a breach to seep back in. It's a shame that good concepts have to be quarantined forever, but it is how it is.
What a fucking epic post, really shows how this person has been here since at least 2016.
Connor Carter
That screencap is definitely older than 2016
Gavin Lopez
>getting any feeling of repulsion from furdens Why are the new generation so weak to the horrors of the internet?
Jack Ramirez
I would play this.
Elijah Howard
Dude, I wish I knew.
I would love to be able to get a game of Iron Claw, but it's impossible, no matter how many "No no ignore the shit art on the cover, look at this nice art INSIDE the book!" caveats I try to throw out.
Somehow all the system's merits fail to defeat someone just going >Furry shit
So I don't know. Let me know if you find a solution.
Daniel Sullivan
>Summarizing a 500 page document to fit in one post is too much work.
Post a link, or screen shots, or excerpts.
Carson Sullivan
That sounds amazingly similar to something I was working on as a homebrew, wherein post-humans accidentally into cyberspace and then kinda sorta forgot to leave any real people behind, so Humanity is already dead and unable to reproduce, slowly winding down in their own virtual heaven/hell.
Some day I'll get to finishing that homebrew.
Cameron Barnes
alright lil nigga let me lay this one out for you. Furry aint allowed on b Furry aint allowed on d there is a reason for this
Joseph Lee
Gonna be completely honest, I just don't enjoy being around or interacting with anyone who believes they are animal or a fantasy thing and seem to overwhelming find an outlet for that mental disorder in extravagantly degenerate sexual fetishes.
I don't want to be around them, play games with them, or associate with them. All that said I obviously have no inherent problem with roleplaying so long as everyone involved is capable of distinguishing the roleplay from reality and so long as nobody injects their horrible fetishes into a non-fetish game. The only reason people hate furfags and otherkin and other weird shit is because they have this unpleasant habit of having to show off their sexual kinks in obnoxious ways and most people who aren't maladjusted don't like that.
Jaxon Jones
This thread makes me feel so old.
Furries, otherkin, and whatever the fuck else they call themselves, aren't bad by virtue of their fetish. They're bad by virtue of the shit associated with their fetish. They're bad because of that babyfur pasta that went around, and watching gay furry porn of any animated character ever created for no reason. They're bad because now you can't google "sonic the hedgehog" without wordfilters. They're bad because they're screaming petulant children who will shit on everything until they get what they want.
And then I realized that people are literally protesting right now for these people... Fuck man the only reason we were so hostile towards them was that in some fucked up way we hoped they'd realize they're fucked and rethink their lives. Instead, they became more entrenched in their nonsense, and people started pitying them.
Kevin Rogers
I've played with several furries and one full blown otherkin.
They were all pleasant, polite, friendly people who made interesting and likable characters, were skilled and considerate roleplayers and were really energetic about the game and story.
Some of the best players I've ever shared a campaign with have been furries, and while I've had a few campaigns get fucked up because of drama, it's never been because of any level of 'furfaggotry'.
So they're pretty cool by me.
Besides, long experience has shown me that on Veeky Forums, people bitching about furries are a lot more annoying than actual furries ever are.
Jayden Phillips
Read my post again.
If you have no reaction to the downright disturbing shit you can easily find on those sites you might be clinically dead, or deserve to be so.
Things that never happened for 500 please.
Owen Rogers
To be perfectly fair, Deviantart Lina Foxverse is about the worst cover image you could possibly choose for convincing people your game isn't complete shit. It's still a shame, but they dug their own grave pretty hard on that one.
Anthony Cox
>Let me know if you find a solution. Slice the covers off the PDF with an editor.
Brandon Garcia
>if you're not a fragile butterfly like me, you must be dead inside! No, just not brand new to the internet.
Ethan Turner
>Guys my green elf with tusks waifu is totally not fetish fapbait and totally SERIOUS >Guys my lolipire is really 2000 years old and not despicable pedophilia >Guys my werehyena cub rubber expansion porn is tots okay
I am sick and tired of internet fetish shit. Keep that stuff on /d/ and /h/.
Jacob Wood
All the gay furry porn sprays they'd put up in tf2. I will hate furries for the rest of my life because of this.
Jonathan Anderson
This also applies to all monstergirls and kenomimi as well. Those are blatant fetish content.
Henry Bell
man, furfags have really been trying to push to get everything else included under the umbrella so they'd get some comrades.
Eli Price
Pedos are worse than furfags. Furries fuck horses but at least they don't fuck kids. Unless they are pedo furrries. Then pedo furries might be worse or as bad.
Robert Stewart
see?
Isaac Gray
Look. Veeky Forums is a blueboard. Blatant fetish content just isn't appropriate.
Leo Lee
DESU I kind of miss furries, seems like they've been replaced with bronies which are much worse.
Evan Robinson
it is when you call it on shit that is not only extremely tame, but has been part of the hobby and mythology since before the board's inception in an attempt to defend furfags.
Isaiah Wood
2000 year old lolipires are tame now? lolislimegirl cum sluts are tame now? oppai loli lich are tame now?
Ryder Peterson
A. those are the very most extremes of the pile you are shitting on B. those are STILL pretty damn tame. Especially on this board.
Cooper Johnson
How are Bronies worse? They have their own stuff over there and usually don't funpost too hard
Luis Clark
Welcome to Veeky Forums enjoy your stay.
Thomas Russell
remember how much fun we had determining how many spiders can fit in a drow's cunt?
Levi King
>Wait a second, are otherkin the reason why dragonborn are a core race but undead aren't? No, it's being Undead gives you waaaay too many buffs to really balance. You're immune to poison, don't need to breath, eat or sleep. Thinking it over, you'd basically a Warforged, if we leave out immunities to Sneak Attacks. So yeah, blame Otherkin. Fuck 'em.
Julian Jones
Since when did /mu/ have all this garbage fetish shit?
Jose Ortiz
>he's never looked at heavy metal imagery literal first google result for "heavy metal album cover"
Lincoln Foster
also have this one which weirded me out
Andrew Cruz
Yeah but there's no threads like "Would you a catgirl (male)?" "Veeky Forums would you lay the dragon?" It's always about discussing music. Album art is entirely incidental.
Owen Ward
surprisingly, the /b/ offshoot based on locally-created games of numerous themes may have more discussion of adult themes that a musical board. And they'd be more on topic, as they are almost universally non-pornographic and vaguely board relevant.
Cooper Johnson
Honestly, I'd take a thousand more of those local memes before another chad, feelguy, or shitpost frog.
David Turner
Aint that the fucking truth.
Jaxson Nguyen
>And they'd be more on topic, as they are almost universally non-pornographic and vaguely board relevant. non-pornographic: are you blind? relevant: are you retarded?
Benjamin Allen
Pepe and Wojack have been around for years.
Jason Williams
They both came from the shit boards, and pepeposts have had more posts in the first three months after the election than in the entire history of Veeky Forums before that point.
Ryan Stewart
Oh, I get why you are so upset about this issue, you think cheesecake is porn, and are upset when people do not act along with your definitions. That explains it.
Owen Martinez
Don't forget how they are basically the heraldry of reddit and /pol/ these days.
Asher Ramirez
Cheesecake is pinup girls retard.
Jaxon Gray
that is one type of cheesecake, yes.
Colton Howard
Eh they used him to meme themselves up a presidency, so let them have pepe.
Landon Walker
>meme themselves up a presidency >jacking off to cartoon frogs totally changed the world guis! it was alllll thanks to me!
yeah fuck off retard
Blake Clark
Regardless of their meming power, they must learn to use pepe as Veeky Forums would, not as they would in their homeland.
Chase Johnson
Its a stupid name for it but meme magic is real. You're underestimating the amount of propaganda work they put out.
Austin Carter
I don't think I've ever seen Fireborn mentioned on Veeky Forums before this thread.
Liam Price
Neither of them mentioned furries.
That being said, furries are fucking annoying, but they're still a step under people who try to justify sexualizing fantasy kids under the pretense of them being hundreds/thousands of years old.
Henry Cox
Of course not, they're trying to bring attention off of furries, and trying to get people to vilify something else. Seems familiar in this post.
Juan Allen
Why does everything have to be about furries?
Camden Robinson
Because it's a really common furry tactic whenever the topic of furries come up.
Grayson James
Guys, am I the only one tired of this furry hate?
I mean, it's so outdated. I think Veeky Forums culture is due for a change and it needs to start with us.
Sebastian Wright
Yiff in hell furfag.
Logan Wright
It's an old and tired meme, but the new generations are always so excited for it that it's hard to have the heart to quell them. I'm far too e-jaded to give a shit about such things though. Nowadays I am more bothered by anything I actually have to deal with on a regular basis.
Benjamin Green
I got flashbacks like Vietnam man...
Isaiah Long
There's far more annoying people on the internet these days. People left a scar so deep in furries' genetic memories that they'll stay in their corners until the end of time.