/STG/ - Star Trek General

Put them in the brig until I can determine why they're here and whether they're dangerous.

I mean, we've got this fancy room with the force-field door for a reason.

>Fabricate a 10m by 10m cube
>Have a rudimentary waste disposal system as well as life support system and a small replicator installed in it
>Beam it outside the ship and attatch it via acable to the hull
>Set ship towards nearest station on autopilot
>Lock up the bridge and aux-bridge
>Beam yourself inside the cube and lockup the transporter from your current position
>Enjoy few weeks of peace and quiet while the rest of the crew can handle whatever type of crazy space god/infection/parasite/other shenanigans that stowaway brings with himself aboard

Detain them in the brig until it can be ascertained whether this person is a threat to them self or the rest of the crew. If they are non-violent, I'll allow them access to a small cabin, under armed guard, with no access to any computer systems and the general understanding that I'll vent a canister of anesthzine gas into the cabin if they try anything stupid. They may request food, reading material, or other basic provisions.
If they are violent, to others or themself, I'll most likely opt to sedate or otherwise restrain them for the duration of their presence aboard my ship.
Once we arrive at a station, the stowaway will be transferred over. No longer my problem.

Of course not.
We kept trying to hail them, and when they kept ignoring us Captain just said to boost shields to full power so that they could “get it out of their system first”.
After firing several more flights of nukes they were willing to talk. Apparently they were at war with their neighbors a few systems over and thought that our Akira was a proposed secret weapon they had heard about.

I promote them to bridge officer and give them access to a top secret project, vital to winning the war.

You know what would had been funny?
>They keep on shooting at you and refuse to answer hails
>You beam security detail on their bridge
>Discover that they are shitting their pants trying to contact you with their archaic communications equipment and the armory is in an open revolt, trying to destroy the menacing silent ship before it devours them or something
>Meanwhile engineering has fallen into devil worship as they are trying to contact the dark lord that has manifested itself as invincible space ship before them

....how responsible of you.

Hey, i want to live damnit.

So your average 40k crossover then?

Well they are a group of aliens on an archaic ship exploring the starsfor the first time.
Wouldn't you start summoning cthulhu the moment you saw a ship that ate a nuclear fusion bomb, a thing that can blow up an entire city, and not give a fuck?

The main difference being that most 40k ships tend to be the size of cities, with prows covered in hundreds of feet of armor plating.
Those would eat a couple of nukes for breakfast easily, they wouldn't even need the void shields up to handle that.

I mean, Cthulhu dies when you hit him with a sailboat. I don't think he'd last long against an Akira class.

That WOULD have been a hell of a lot funnier.
But no, this turned into a “mediating the war between two stellar nations” thing. Our first impulse was to apologize for the confusion and Warp 6 hell out of there after they started asking us for help against the “Anterean aggressors”, but when these Anterean guys showed up in their secret weapon ship they hit us with disruptor banks, not 300-year outdated nukes.

Scans revealed that a lot of these modifications were way outside the tech range of the ship itself, so we’re thinking Orion Syndicate arms dealers or Romulans looking to destabilize the system and absorb it. My personal guess is Romulans.

Out the airlock with them.

He didn't die though, he started reforming after that.
Nowadays he is a hentai artist.

>Disruptors
Im guessing it be Klingons.

Are you going to try and resolve the war itself too?

I praise T'Kuvma for providing for me and then eat the interloper.

Maybe, but Romulans have them too.
Also, selling arms and being covert about it is a little...subtle for Klingons. Especially with the way their empire is now in 2395.
Yes, but we decided it’s a secondary objective. Interfering too much in this local dispute comes really close to violating the Prime Directive (though both are Warp capable and one has asked for help directly). Right now our mission is to stop the fight long enough and mediate while we find whoever is arming the Antereans, and why.

That said, we’ve got a couple of characters who are pretty good at diplomacy of all sorts, so we might be able to at least achieve a temporary ceasefire and get them to gain common ground while we send a message for a dedicated negotiating team out where we are.

Well true, but remember how back in the days they used to deal muskets to some pre-warp natives in order to shape up the society to be more in tune with their philosophy?

Wrestle them myself. Man to man.

>Nowadays he is a hentai artist.
He was the old-Veeky Forums porn drawfag know as Chink, right?

It was better with the typo.

I'm imagining the stowaway chained at the feet of the captain like something out of an old Frank Frazetta painting.

I thought he died, or at least left Veeky Forums forever which is the same as dying to us.

He did die. He supposedly "drowned in a shipwreck in the Pacific," which seems a lot like something the dread Cthulu would do if he wanted to fake his own death.

>No lieutenant, leave him be - I find his rantings to be amusing

Why chain him at the foot of the captain's chair? Let the crazy man deal with the latest convoluted prime directive conundrum. You've got away missions to go on.

Or you could, I don't know, make him into the ship's cook and periodically draft him as some kind of good-will ambassador.

The sad thing is crazy man would do a better job than any STD character and maybe Janeway.

I delegate the task to my First Officer. After all, she's never let me down before. And even if she disagreed with me on the best course of action for the prisoner, I trust her to carry out my orders.

Oh, I’m not saying that Klingons aren’t capable of duplicity. In fact most episodes even of TNG-era Klingons seem to demonstrate that a lot of their honor system is more like the Japanese concept of “Face” and it’s actually common to do treacherous shit as long as you don’t get caught and don’t do it too publicly. Not an episode about Klingon culture goes by that isn’t mired in Klingon backstabbery and politics. Worf just has an overly romanticized view of his culture.
I’m saying that it doesn’t make sense for our current timeline; in 2395, Chancellor Martok is basically trying to undergo reforms in the Klingon Empire after nearly twenty years of rebuilding after the Dominion Wars, which actually started working since during the rebuilding phase the traditional Klingon ways of life weren’t viable. Now that the rebuilding is done, a bunch of old fart Klingons and young moron Klingons are all “Make Qu’nos Great Again” and fighting against these charges. More Klingons are going pirate or mercenary as Martok attempts to stop the Empire from splitting apart into lots of fracturing states filled with angry warriors.

While Klingons are indeed capable of the kind of underhanded stuff that this conflict we stumbled onto implies, currently they probably don’t have the logistics necessary to pull it off, or the organizaton needed to really benefit from the war itself.

Meanwhile, proxy wars for profit is right out of the Romulan playbook.

>TNG-era Klingons seem to demonstrate that a lot of their honor system is more like the Japanese concept of “Face”

Wasn't one of the big ideas behind the early TNG depictions pretty much "it's 1987 and we've all got a bad case of the oriental fascinations so these guys are pretty much space samurai?"

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Dunno.
The TOS Klingons kinda looked vaguely Mongolian somehow.

It did a bad job of it then.
Most oriental fascination stuff at the time was like L5R where everything is about honor and oblovation and shit and very strict but very noble while avoiding the ugly realities of the whole samurai society.
TNG and DS9 shows Klingon honor as being serious business but mostly pretty shallow with how often Klingons use political maneuvering and treachery to get ahead in their culture.

Curious because I’m that new guy again but; do any species OTHER then Klingons live within the borders of the Klingon Empire? It seems like they logically should considering how big it is.
If they do, how does the Empire treat them?

There are, but we haven't seen a lot of them or know much about them. And given that we rarely see them, I'd assume that the Empire treats them like second class citizens (at best).

Undiscovered Country probably gave us a bigger showcase of potential species within the Empire than any other movie or show, simply due to the fact that we saw one of their (the Klingon's) prisons.

What he said.
If we wanna stretch this space samurai metaphor, then I’m guessing that other species are rather treated like the lower rungs of feudal Japanese society, in that they are not exactly slaves but aren’t really full citizens or even “people” either.
Klingons don’t exactly have a racial superiority thing like the Romulans (they can and have shown respect to enemies who are good warriors), but a conquered species would be considered a species of losers who surrendered, which would be abhorrent to them and they’d get no respect.

So I think they might not exactly be consistently mistreated and would get a lot of the jobs Klingons see as “dull” or “unworthy” of a warrior, but that there is zero guarantee of being treated well by their masters and it varies on an individual level.

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I like the idea someone here came up with a few threads back where the Klingons would give servitors a chance to earn glory in battle to become "truly" Klingon.

Isn't this basically how STO handles the Klingon relationship with the newly-conquered Gorn, Nausicaans, and Orions?

This is backed by how Kor reacts to the Organians, and to Kirk. Kirk, posing as an Organian, displays his disgruntlement with the situation, while the other Organians are smiling and unconcerned. He even stands up to Kor when Kor becomes suspicious of Spock. As a result, Kor makes him liaison to the Organian government. Kor just doesn't trust or respect conciliators or people who give up without a fight.

Strangest crossover I ever saw.

Yeah, that was my reasoning.
They don’t randomly butcher or commit genocide against their conquered populations, but they don’t really treat them well either. Stand uo and fight and they might actually go “Mad props for balls bro, here’s a promotion”.

That was a fun episode.

>Picard anally fists his foe

I'm a bit sad that you never had something like the Kushan of pic related in Star Trek. The idea of a fully nomadic industrial/technological species, especially if they're on a revenge rampage, just seems like something that could have been handled well and wasn't really addressed.

But it looks like crap-I want my broadside...

>The idea of a fully nomadic industrial/technological species
Voth.

The props I could see, but I'm less certain about the promotion. General Martok's family had generations of service to the empire but he was still originally denied a commission because of his non-noble birth. The only reason he ended up where he did was because he stuck it out as a servant on a warship until he could win a battlefield commission. If Martok had a hard time I imagine things would be next to impossible for a non-Klingon.

So the real question with that image. Turbolifts or jefferies tubes behind those two sets of doors?

At the very least we've seen on screen that the right most doors lead to immediate jefferies tube access

They started getting more consistent about that in the later seasons of TNG.
As late as early season 4 they were still using it for turbolifts.

Hang on, there's 2 doors in that shot, is one of them the tube access and the other a lift?

Checking out some pics, looks like they might have reconfigured that end of the set at some point in the series. In some later shots there's a computer panel instead of a second door opposite the little control area that Geordie is usually yelling at the ceiling from. area.

You can see it better in this shot.
youtube.com/watch?v=Q5tD2KDtHYU

Like so

That second door nearer on the left is a computer panel by the look of it in I guess they got rid of it. And then the other door became an access room.
Ahh the wonders of tv and inconsistent sets.

I meant “promoted to lead the plebs”, not promoted to be a Klingon’s equal.
You get to be “Chief second class citizen who helps them do the boring shit Klingons don’t want to deal with” more or less.

So, do Klingon have scientists or something or does someone do that for them?

They have super cute neurotic scientists.

Klingon do have scientists, but due to the issues with their civilization they advance a lot slower then the Federation.
In addition they seem to do a lot of appropriatating their tech; their early advanced weaponry and space flight came from an advanced race that landed on Qu’nos that they killed and took their shit from, and their extremely useful cloaking devices are Romulan technology they traded for.
So they have scientists clearly, but a lot more time is spend reverse-engineering other people’s advances.

So, is STD dead?

It got renewed for a second season

no, it got renewed for a second season

So did Orville though, so small favors.

STD is getting seven seasons and three movies. Orville is getting three seasons, then moved to FX for a season before being unceremoniously axed.

STD won't last more than 3 seasons. CBS Streaming will crash and burn, probably due to Comcast and other major ISP's cucking them after net neutrality is gutted. After that, they'll have no financial reason to continue it and just drop it. It might get a bonus Netflix season with heavy cast changes.
Fox will keep Orville on the air exactly as long as STD just to piss on CBS some more.

>after net neutrality is gutted
they've been trying to do that for years, it won't happen.

So is it literally Federation design doctrine to add more dakka?

>Ship says Terran Imperial Starfleet on the side
Don't forget to look before you leap user

Because Netflix paid the bill for the entire first season in exchange for distribution rights outside of the US.

Increasingly no. Their warrior autism kicked into overdrive in the early 2100s and never really slowed down up through DS9. They started off well ahead of humans and Romulans tech wise but ended up a distant third.

t. ENT

>The Call of Cthulhu was Lovecraft telling the Space ATF about the tragic boating accident he had with his OP summoned monster
It all makes sense now.

>He supposedly "drowned in a shipwreck in the Pacific,"
HPL uses so much figurative language that this means nothing out of context.

Also the glow-in-the-dick space babe Harry Kim porked, and the Hirogen.

This reminds me of the Vengeance somehow. Maybe it’s just a general sense of being poorly designed.

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Weren’t they based on the Crips and the Bloods originally? S’kinda racist in a way.

They were supposed to be inner-city gangs, but they cocked up the metaphor by having them be the perpetrators of a pogrom rather than the victims of systemic discrimination.
At least they got the broken culture down right.

This IS the show that that gave us Chakotay, who is a massively offensively racist depiction of Native Americans and yet somehow nobody picked up on their “cultural advisor” for the show being an idiot who’s knowledge was entirely informed by bad TV.

They're Jeffries' tubes. Ladders that get into the heart of the ship.

It's shown onscreen IIRC, if you don't trust the blueprints.

I’m so glad I never saw the first episode of Voyager as a kid. I went back and watched it last year and I wanted to shrivel up and die every time Tom opens his mouth with Chakotay around
>HEY CAN’T NATIVE PEOPLE TALK TO SPIRITS? HAHA
>JUST SAVED YOU FROM A LADDER, NATIVE PEOPLE DO LIFE DEBTS RIGHT? HAHA

>an idiot who’s knowledge was entirely informed by bad TV.

Worse. He pretended to actually be a Native American and made a career out it.

By the time Voyager came around, it was already public knowledge that he was a fraud. That's how little they cared.

That's Hollywood for you, tell enough bullshit and be charming enough and you can get a cushy job as cultural advisor of science fiction series And to think all they ever needed was to make one phone call to an actual Native American Association and the whole thing would been blown away.

Though I did like how they remembered some stuff Chakotay actually says like the fact that his tribe didn't use bows. I remember being impressed when they had hallusionation episode where Chakotay goes hunting this deer inside the ship and the weapons he picks are throwing spears.

inner city gangs combined with biker gangs is the one explanation that I have heard. And they are not the ones who did the pogrom, they are the ones who go enslaved by people called Trabe, there is an episode of that animosity they have for each other when the Trabe BS Janeway that they want to talk with Kazons to make peace and the whole thing turns out to be Trabe trap to kill the Kazon leadership.

The thing that gets me about Chakotay is the massive unrealized potential. They never knew what the fuck to do with his character, and I would've preferred him over Janeway in the captain's chair.

It baffles me that they paid him (Robert Beltran) anything he wanted yet did nothing with his character.

Honestly, the far wall should also be a forcefield door that opens up to space.

What's funny is he kept phoning it in and then asking for more money hoping they'd fire him. They just kept paying though. They just wanted their token native.

A Chakotay who WASN’T defined by being a magical Native American guy would have been interesting.
Admittedly I have no idea how good an actor Robert Beltran is.

Voyager was a giant clusterfuck. It was Jeri Taylor's baby that was in part, an attempt to return to form because people bitched about the first season of DS9. When she checked out in the fourth season so did any relevance his character might've had.

Night of the Comet is on Youtube if you want to see.

>vengeance
>poorly designed

Why