Lads I want to have a vote... shall we remove 9th Age's privileged spot in the OP? Nobody here seems to actually like it anymore over any other system.
I propose a new rules MEGA.
Owen Collins
meh, it doesn't ask for food and doesn't take much space
> a few lucky fans may even get to see some new reveals as we announce what’s next for the worlds of Warhammer...
> world of Warhammer
Dare I dream...
Anthony Cox
>kill Warhammer >wait a few years >unveil Warhammer Classic, with double-priced minis and rulebooks
Bentley Rodriguez
Exactly as p-planned g-guys...
You can also use your Age of Smeg models... you know, just in case...
Gavin Jones
>several years later people start claiming that GW did it first, and Blizzard ripped them off with WoW Classic
Wyatt Ward
Everyone know's they all ripped-off Runescape.
Robert Bennett
Hardly takes up any space at all, if someone is interested they can check it out so it can stay imho Remember when people tried to get game discussion banned? Boy oh boy.
Jeremiah Roberts
it works very different in most settings. There is no data on how it works in Warcraft, in Tolkiens work the differences between Elves and Men at times seem nothing more than magic and the individuals preferences(fucking hell, half elves can decide wether they want to be elves or humans, how does that shit even work). While in other settings such as the Witcher it's literally "muh dick" cuck fantasies.
John Bailey
Total War III
Ethan Thomas
How would a jedi fare in WHFB?
Jason Wright
Well enough until a wizard fried him
Jose Morgan
Are there civilian Skaven? Simple wageslave rats trying to live their out their lives in peace, doing their jobs?
Chase Wilson
Yes, it's garbage.
Lincoln Brooks
No. >Warhammer 40k
>Warhammer: Age of Sigmar.
I highly doubt these jackasses will give OW its due, at best shill a bit the RPG.
Thomas Martin
>worlds of Warhammer >worlds
Expansion races for Total War.
Jonathan Collins
This is somewhat hilarious, but there's a canon reference to elven menstruation in one of their sourcebooks. It's referred to obliquely as 'moonblood,' and the lunar cycle for Mannslieb is roughly monthly. Ergo, elven menstruation occurs roughly monthly.
Liam Taylor
Yeah its probably the RPG that they'll shill Could re-release Mordheim since they've been doing specialist game re-releases lately
Joshua Bailey
Yes, in a manner of speaking. Artisans, mercenaries, bodyguards, hawkers, hunters, etc. Skaven society is very authoritarian, though, so things like 'choosing your job' and 'getting paid' aren't reliable.
Mason Ortiz
Which I bet they would most likely repurpose for Sigmar. I mean, you just need to remove the sigmarine guys and focus on the lower tier grunts in some assblasted city there all while merely aping the basic aesthetics (like necromunda). With Nagash around those may be dime a dozen.
Nathaniel Hill
The fact that they released Bloodbowl in its original form makes me think they wouldn't make Mordheim a smegmar game
Jason Peterson
Speaking of changing the op, can we remove the privileged position TMS has? They really aren't any better than Mantic, Fireforge or Perry, and their models are very expensive due to not having hard plastic.
Jace Sanchez
Reposting since the previous thread died. Which army-list do you guys prefer and why?
++ Standard (Warriors of Chaos - Army Book (2013-4) -V8.8.0.) [2499pts] ++
+ Uncategorised +
- Army Size: Army (0-2999 points)
+ Lords +
Chaos Sorcerer Lord [409pts]: Barded Chaos Steed, Lore of Death, Mark of Nurgle, Wizard Level 4 . Chaos Mutations & Powers: Flaming Breath . Magic Items: BRB - Charmed Shield, BRB - Dispel Scroll, BRB - Talisman of Preservation
+ Heroes +
Festus the Leechlord [190pts]: AB - Pestilent Potions, Lore of Nurgle, Wizard Level 2
Exalted Hero [223pts]: Battle Standard Bearer, Mark of Nurgle, Shield . Chaos Mutations & Powers: Hideous Visage, Scaled Skin . Magic Items: BRB - Luckstone, BRB - Sword of Anti-Heroes, BRB - The Other Trickster's Shard
Now that I look at it, the miniatures pastebin is pretty bad too. It doesn't list Vampire Counts or Tomb Kings under Mantic, who are most famous for their awesome undead. Would anyone be interested in a new pastebin?
Dylan Miller
I'd recommend getting battlescribe to output in chat/forum view, and then removing parts of the list not needed, like >Army Size: Army (0-2999 points) >+ Uncategorized + >19x (Insert Piece of Equipment) > 6x Forsaken: 6x Forsaken of Slaanesh
And of course the link to battlescribe.
Robert Lewis
No. My community plays it.
Hudson Walker
Soon
Nathan Perry
Mantic is fucking trash.
TMSis there because they are replacements for the entire TK and Bret ranges, allowing new players to easily buy in.
But Perry is almost as Warhammer related than GW, so they should be added. Before TMS for maximum honor.
Joseph Johnson
>Never fixed that for ya
Zachary Sullivan
>World of Warhammer
Carson Murphy
Okay, I will definitely do that in the future but what do you think about the actual army list?
Oliver Rivera
FreeLC for TWW2, we don’t even have to wait for 3.
Unfortunately that means no deluxe box withTK stuff.
Ayden Clark
Mantic has good Skeletons and zombies, but most of their stuff is pretty bad. I also am of the opinion that none of them should be on the OP, as we have a pastebin specifically for alternative miniatures.
Andrew Peterson
>Squats are in AoS >Norsca is in TWWH >TK squatted before Sisters What does this mean?
Jackson Walker
I prefer the second one, if only because it doesn't bother my lore autism.
Christopher Fisher
Squats were better quality than the gunmustache shits.
Blake Hughes
This. Squats were the best 40k faction by a long shot. They were so awesome GW had them removed so they don’t overshadow everyone else.
Josiah Nguyen
please god please
Sebastian Ward
High elves are getting sterile because of the Vortex
Christopher Torres
They already did. It's called shadespire
Liam Edwards
Is it because Festus would actually be taking direct part in an armed conflict instead of hanging around in a laboratory?
Joshua Hernandez
Nostalgia goggles. Squats got squatted because they sucked so much nobody played them. I remember the times, they were just unfun to play with or against. They were supposed to be a medium between SM and IG, but ended up as a worse IG with higher point cost.
Joshua Carter
The same way that they won't remake Necromunda because they made Shadow War Armageddon?
Jaxson Myers
> 'moonblood,' can you source your statement? And where it is indeed directly connected to the cycle of mannsleib? Menstruation doesn't happen at the same time across an entire species either.
Samuel Nelson
Speaking of, anyone have a source to the rumoe that GW is making a female Skaven mini that isn’t a giant nipplegerbil?
Gavin Hill
there was never any mention of a sterile elf. Constant wars are reducing elf numbers faster than they can replace them. Same with the Dwarfs, who have no Vortex but are still fading.
Brandon Foster
But only at the rate that the plot demands. Pretty sure it was bullshit. We only know the name of the boss is Spiteclaw, and in the pics none of them look female. Unless there is official material using a female pronoun, these are still male.
Ian Collins
Learn to read you dumb piece of shit.
Lincoln Williams
Well its reasonable to assume that its warring whats causing numbers to drop, but every time declining elven numbers was brought up GW just went "weee juuus duuuunnoooo hyuck", so its a mystery really.
Blake Davis
The thing is low birth rates are only a HE problem. WE and DE are fine, yet they too live in a state of constant war, some would say even worse than the HE. Dwarfs have always been few, and now they truly live in a state of constant war, with many holds completely cut off. It's not stated but i figure inbreeding is a serious problem in some dwarf settlements. In lore it's stated that the first or second phoenix king after Bel-Shannar started noticing how the birth rates among his people were suddenly dropping, around the same time when dragons started hibernating. I read it in the wiki and it was sourced so i assume it to be true
Ryan Diaz
>The thing is low birth rates are only a HE problem. WE and DE are fine, they are only more noticable for HE than DE and WE, seeing how Ulthuan is a massive continent that used to be highly populated, and now abandoned housing is strewn around everywhere. DE are all hauled up in a few large cities so there's nothing to be abandoned in naggaroth, while WE live in a huge forest so they are spread out by default. All old races are fading at the same rate, but WE and DE don't have to spread out even further across the world like the HE do.
Also the DE and WE are more promiscious than the HE, so it's more likely for them to actually get pregnant during ovulation the HE females. This doesn't mean DE or WE females are any more fertile than HE ones.
The dragons began fading during Tethlis time, who was the fifth King. And he founded the citizen militia after several massive conflicts (Sundering, War of the Beard, more DE invasions) had reduced the HE population noticeably.
Thomas Roberts
Nope, it's the Tzeentch spawn.
Josiah Edwards
What's lorebreaking about a Spawn of Tzeentch?
Evan James
Tzeentch and Nurgle are complete opposite
Isaiah Edwards
It's a spawn mate. They aren't exactly sapient nor the favorite of their deity. Besides, the handling of spawns are basically that of a vicious beast. I.e keep it locked in a cage and only release it when the battle begins.
Matthew Gray
You're also implying that the mark affiliation is actually identifieable to the the rest of the army. A possibility is that the spawn is actually a captive of the army rather than a 'willing' participant.
Brandon Cox
It's been posted here like ten times, some thing where the HE fleet sails to some gay island to do a ritual that needs the Everqueen's menstrual blood, apparently. I know one of you fuckers know the image I'm talking about.
Jeremiah Gonzalez
Yeah, its in the 8e book. They did it to give Alarielle a reason to not be somewhere other than Avelorn on Ulthuan so people would buy the new model in the year before they squatted it.
She does it to keep Slaanesh out of the dreams of men or something.
Jonathan Evans
Shadespire plays nothing like mordheim. Mordheim was a campaign skirmish game with a ton of focus on your dudes and heavy usage of terrain.
Shadespire is a boardgame with no terrain, fixed characters, heavy focus on deck building and hand usage, and is meant for tournaments.
In my country we'd say they don't even share the same white in the eyes but these motherfuckers don't even have eyes.
Bentley Cruz
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Leo Jones
Wights are the master race.
Camden Clark
Alright guys, tell me what the best Black Library books are. I know nothing about BL books other than them being either of stellar quality or complete shit.
Landon Davis
Many depend on what army you are interested in. Unlike 40k where its basically mandatory to read about the Imperium and not liking it means not liking the setting, in WFB the “best” books may be of no interest to you.
Few could claim to have read all of them.
Adam Sanchez
I'm interested in all of them. New to the setting, bretonnian boys and all that.
Benjamin Long
Then start with Gotrek and Felix. The worst, the King ones, are adequate and the best are some of the best out there. They meet every major group at least once.
Kayden Hall
first, it is 8ed as someone said, and thus in the same department as Soulstones-lite and other 40k scub that carried over. Second, moonblood doesn‘t necessarily imply any details about the elven menstrual cycle at all, if anything them doing it only every other year says a lot more than some namw chosen for it‘s elven flair. And I highly doubt any writer of 8th ed put even half as much thougt into the whole matter as calculating the logical menstruation cycle of a millenia old humanoid.
Owen Rodriguez
Should I interpret the silence regarding feedback on my lists as a sign of their utter perfection? If not then does anyone know of a forum actually interested in discussing the game?
Juan Reed
Nah, she does it to keep Morrslieb from crushing into their planet or something.
Parker Nguyen
the issue is that it‘s quite unlikely for anyone who‘s playing the exact same edition with sufficient expertise in the exact army to make any productive criticism, to be here and then also willing to go through your list and comment on it.
Nolan Morris
I just don't want to read your shitty formatting
Logan Young
Do we have news about Warhammer RPG 4th ed?
Luis Morris
Seems unlikely the elves would call it 'moonblood,' an old-timey euphemism for a woman's monthly cycle, if elf women weren't monthly.
Just because she bleeds from the groin every month doesn't mean the ritual needs to be done every month.
Alexander Wood
>they sucked so much nobody played them >they admitted it wasn’t because of sales
Austin Mitchell
>would call it 'moonblood,' an old-timey euphemism for a woman's monthly cycle, if elf women weren't monthly. seeing how it is only used once and in relation to a ritual happening once every decade I highly doubt the evidence is strong for the euphemism being anything more than a product of insufficient effort on the writers part. I have already named reasons for female elves not being on a monthly cycle, and while it‘s not necessary that their biology follows rules dictated by logic, I do think it‘s a better explanation than „some word was used in an 8th ed sidebar so it be like this“.
Kevin Reed
Your reasons are speculative, mine is supported by a sourcebook.
I win.
Thomas Richardson
yours is speculative based on the euphemism of a word.
Mine is a logical deduction based on observable biological differences between the species.
that is not the point and doesn‘t change anything. It‘s so mundane it can‘t be taken at face value due to it being used so often as a stand in for menstrual blood.
It‘s like argueing months in warhammer ought to have no more than 31 days because they are also called months, despite having up to 33 days.
Also 8th ed is shaky evidence at best in any situation.
Liam Foster
Words don't stop magically having an association because it's convenient to your theory.
8th edition evidence > no evidence
Brayden Hill
I guess, but I don‘t care about some 8thed monkeys opinion either.
Bentley Jenkins
Sorry, not an army I have experience in. Not to mention the longer I play T9A, the more of my 8e edge fades.
Brandon Hall
Why did Yvresse Mistwalkers never make it to the tabletop? Eltharion was a popular lord, you'd have thought they'd have given his faction something.
Jeremiah Thomas
Nope.
It’ll be awhile. If it has no models, then GW won’t advertise it until its a few months from release or so. Just to build hype for like two weeks before it goes up for preorder.
Asher Rivera
For what it matters, here’s some pre-8e evidence that trumps everything both of you said.
Phoenix Kings immediately get one year to knock up the Everqueen. This always happens, with the exception of Finubar because she was already pregnant. Gestation may last longer than 9 months or Finubar just didn’t bother after she gave birth (I’d point out that the Everqueen is the Phoenix King’s daughter, having an older daughter wouldn’t have mattered since she would not be heir), who knows.
Based on the fact they don’t need to wait for her estrus cycle to begin as his year starts when he’s sworn in, then she must have at least one full cycle a year at the absolute minimum. Logically more than that.
You lot are just putting WAY more thought into it than any GW writer ever did. Most of Warhammer was wrotten out of the ass according to Rule Of Cool with the only actual limit being that nobody gets to look stronger than Chaos. Even the Dwarf female population and position lore was just handwaving not making more female minis, and wasn’t adhered to in the mini free RPG or vidya.
Joseph Scott
Same reason Necrarchs never got a proper army composition and unique other than just “Kemmler, with no Necromancers”.
GW just finds a posterboy faction in the army, then wanks the fuck out of it. They sort of throw out a few things, then give up.
Yvresse was never explored because none of the writers wanted to explore it, and Eltharion was just a name to give to the metal-age model of the Elf on a Gryphon for people who didn’t like to make OCs. Even Thorgrim’s original was sold as “Dwarf King On Throne Of Power” and Bugman showed up as a footplodder from time to time in official GW armies like a Where’s Waldo.
The original blind Eltharion was just one of those random minis the sculptors would get a hair up the ass and randomly make, like the Green Knight was. He was never meant to be important in any way, and the writers gave as many fucks about his popularity as they did about Squats. They literally gave Eltharion an entirely different backstory to make him more enticing for their writers, but fucked up by making it a story they couldn’t actually explore because it would mean entirely ending all greenskin plots which the writers already gave far more fucke about.
Hudson Walker
>Based on the fact they don’t need to wait for her estrus cycle to begin as his year starts when he’s sworn in, then she must have at least one full cycle a year at the absolute minimum. Logically more than that. here‘s where you are forgetting something, according to my theory the female elf has 1,4 menstruations a year, but the most important thing ypu forgot was that while the Ever couple is married for one year, the mating ritual only lasts for about 10 days IIRC, however, this has nothing to do with an elven menstrual cycle as the conception pf an everchild is prepared with magical means and not natural ones.
This is also the point where the insufficient knowledge of the skubtimes writers became obvious, as they not only thought it be a sick tweest, but also had no idea the conception of the everchild was a closely observed and supervised ritual that has to result in a daughter of the two monarchs. Any other child born to the everqueen is not an everchild.
Owen Reed
I'd give feedback, but never played with Chaos Warriors so it'll probably suck and be shit, take it with a grain of salt: I'd go for first list out of fluffyness alone, second list seems more competitive if you are that kind of guy
Mark of Nurgle has always been great and you can't really play CW wrong anyways
Ryder Powell
>Even the Dwarf female population and position lore was just handwaving not making more female minis, and wasn’t adhered to in the mini free RPG or vidya. What? That information is literally from the RPG. The only video game I can think of that even had female dwarfs was Age of Reckoning. And that played fast and loose with the background anyway. I can't imagine there are many female Knights of the Blazing Sun. Although I guess they worship Myrmidia, so maybe you can handwave it a little.
Justin Harris
I really want to ask a question about what you're touching on, but I really don't want to open the ugly can of worms.
John Stewart
>That thing, it's too big to be called a musket
Leo Martin
Well, I personally have a pretty moderate view on the whole gender issues thing, but yeah there's a pretty decent chance this stuff's going to turn into a shitshow. That said, the thread's already had a conversation about elven menstrual cycles so what the hell.
Easton Martin
I guess my question is, most people don't bat an eye when someone wants a female martial class in D&D (and neither do I), but to me, I'd think something were off if I saw an Empire State Troop regiment with women in it. And considering this is a setting with orcs, magic, and steam tanks, saying realism doesn't cut it.
The only thing I can think of is that having defined gender roles emphasizes the grim medieval backwardness of the setting, which helps give it the flavor that makes it stand out.
Kevin Wright
I'm pretty sure that's just an anorexic leadbelcher.
Dylan Nelson
>defined gender roles >backwards It's not to emphasize grimness, because there is nothing wrong with defined gender roles. Unlike DnD, Warhammer has loose historical basing, which means it keeps a lot of societal tropes, including gender roles, feudal government, and the growing middle class.
Charles Cox
anyone have a map of the old world before it was as it is now?
I need the Elven colonies and Dwarf holds so I can further lore my super special elves.
Jack Taylor
The Empire has well-defined gender roles, and for most of the Empire that is "women don't fight."
Not historically uniform, or in modern times either. There are still (a very few) woman templars of Ulric, and Hochland has mixed gender skirmishers.
Daniel Nelson
Also are we allowed to post our autism tidbits here?
