Well, that's the answer to anyone that has any issues with the new Spike, Tournament Grinder card

I imagine the lead designer isn't the one who controls the art direction.

user if you think that looks androgynous you may have had your perceptions of gender fucked up too much by anime.
And wow the edgy WAAC player has stupid hair. Colour me surprised.
So would vorthos be red and melvin white, to complete the cycle in 20 years time?

Don't you know? Everything you don't like is the work of MaRo, and everything that you like happens in spite of MaRo.

Tomboyish is in for the highschool kids nowadays.

>25%-35%

>they are a smaller percentage of people playing in organized play

>let's represent women with ugly women
Why are westerners so dumb? Same thing in video games.

With or without organized play, measuring those who regularly play, the number is probably around 2-3%. And if we measure those who will have the slighest interest in this set, less than 1%.

Because shoehorning them into fapbait is totally not missing the point of representation!

>My anecdotes are totally more accurate than research carried out by a subsidiary of fucking HASBRO!

More like the blatant reality for anyone who plays MtG.

Girls who play competitive mtg and people know about:
That one that "accidentally" cheated.
Catranny for being dumb, crybaby and a tranny.

It should have been chapin with a knife saying "winners do drugs"

Imagine being mad that a card game company drew an imaginary mascot for players who tryhard and it was female

Because at this point magic is like a fucking onion: you've got layers and layers of different people who got in at different points who all think that the game went downhill when every layer above them arrived.

I and those like me are little green bit in the middle thats doing his own thing, maybe trying to start a new onion: I stopped playing magic around Kamigawa and am damn glad I did.

Then whoever drew it did a shitty job, because it looks like a tranny.

I like Spike, they have spunk.

Honestly I thought they just flubbed the art and tried to pass off a middle-aged woman as a teenaged boy.

I guess they actually just wanted to draw a middle aged woman.

>I like Spike, they produce spunk.
FTFY

That may be your subjective opinion but objectively, she is a woman.

Short hair worst hair.

I'm aware of that, but it objectively looks like a tranny.
>Broad, flat chest
>day jaw & chin
>those hands

>And then MaRo, in his infinite wisdom, goes and feeds the troll.
>implying he's not next level trolling

>there are people who don't want Spike to be a woman (male)

Objectively, it is a drawing. Stop getting mad at pictures, Veeky Forums

Because the west is full of morbidly obese fugly people who get insecure when they're represented by someone attractive.

Especially SJWs or anyone with any kind of "-ist" cause.

Y'know, when my friends started getting into MtG back in the mid-1990s, I never would have guessed that in 20 years there would be an entire crop of players who shit the bed every time a female appeared on card art.

This. It's pretty clear that he's messing with the troll.

I think she's more poorly drawn than intentionally ugly.

>Just imagine

If you've been on Veeky Forums any time in the past couple days, you don't have to imagine anyone. We've seen these walking caricatures firsthand.

Not any time, just any time they can't masturbate to her. You see, a woman is only supposed to sit there and look pretty. If she can't do that, then she's useless.

I'm just annoyed that her hair looks retarded and that the rest of the art is just generally not very good.

Is it because reddit closed their incel board?

>he must have a low opinion of women
>unlike me, who appreciates how attractive my coworkers are
????? Thats not what having a high opinion of women means doofus

Who really cares of the art is bad? It's a couple of square inches on a joke card.

I don't really have an opinion of those women at all, user; my position doesn't really interact with theirs. I just think it's weird he wants to try and represent a demographic of his audience and chooses a piece of art that looks like ass.

This, all those complaining would not give a shit if she was hot.

She looks attractive.
Short hair is best.

>WAAAH IT'S A GURL

Who cares?

Card art is the only reason to even look at MtG.

They might this time, since they wanted something they could project on to, but they definitely wouldn't have complained half as much about Samut if she'd been sexy.

>looking at cards and not snap-playing them.

>attractive people are only fapbait
Look at who is the objectifier here.

>sarcasm-face[1]
typical

>Having taste this shite

Didn't your mother ever tell you that flat is justice?

I seriously doubt that user. I know it's off-topic, but I'll take the example of Overwatch. D.Va is super popular with korean gamers, even though most are guys, they love her, but the chinese hate mei. It's not about projection, it's whether they are hot or not.

>implying mei isn't hot

The [1] means they uploaded the picture from a URL rather than from their own computer and it used the filename from where it was copied. You can paste a link to an image into the window rather than selecting one you have saved, which lets you use one-off throwaway images without having to clutter your folders or delete them later.

Mei is hot, she's number 3 in overwatch porn on most western sites.
The chinese just don't like thick. Like actually thick, not the perverted version westerners use for cellulite ridden beefgoblins.

People who use it for reaction images are nearly always outsiders.

>mei
>not bae
Dude, Mei is stacked to high heaven. Just because the Chinese market has terrible taste doesn't mean she isn't objectively very attractive.

Obviously she doesn't hold a candle to Pharrah but it's hard to compete with hot chocolate, tasteful tattoos, and jetpacks.

Alright sorry I thick is actually pretty fine, but my fav is still Pharah, but it doesn't change the implication. The chinese didn't think she was hot, so they complained.

It's not about 'projection', it's about whether the girl is hot or not (in their opinion).

"Outsiders" don't usually know you can do it.

Because people like seeing attractive people, you taint-for-brains. Even babies are drawn to attractive people. No one wants to look at someone they think is ugly, especially if that person is acting as their video game representative.
They want their representative to either be cool, handsome, badass, hot, funny or any combination of the above. Mei has literally zero personality, so looks is the only thing that matters.

>Mei has literally zero personality, so looks is the only thing that matters.
This is a problem for most of the Overwatch cast. The most expressive characters are probably the omnics, Bastion and Zenyatta.

I've been here for years, I just don't have any interest in keeping a folder. It's simple enough to just google something and pick from a wide selection as needed.

Google has much larger folders than I ever could, and they're better organized.

You ever hear complaints about male characters being considered, too ugly? Attractiveness only comes in to play when they are females.
And if personality actually mattered to these people, then they would be complaining about her personality not her looks.

Exactly, looks are what most of the characters have going for them.
There's literally no reason to pick mei if you don't find her attractive, because she (and all the other characters) are not interesting outside of looks and a voice line or two.
So you pick you the hot girl, or the cool gorilla. There's nothing wrong with that because it's a shallow surface level game so you approach things shallowly.
That happens plenty of times.
In Fire Emblem games, there's plenty of male characters that go completely untouched because they're drab looking and boring.
In pokemon, the ugly male characters get absolutely zero art while ugly females still get enough to fill a textbook. Compare Ramos vs Olympia.

>You ever hear complaints about male characters being considered, too ugly?
Boy have I.

You should have seen the shitposting that happened when Arden got put into Fire Emblem Heroes. Some of the stuff that came out of that hero cycle was glorious.

If it was in any sort attractive or representative of real women playing magic, it'd offend the real women playing magic.

It's [current year]

You can't draw attractive females for western games/consumable media anymore. What are you, an ableist? Everyone must have ugly faces with nigger noses and tanned/dark skin. Bonus points if said female is black/muslim/lesbian

Fair point, but I was thinking more how swedish people didn't complain about Torbjorn, even though he is a warcraft dwarf, or Australians about Roadhog and Junkrat.
No one complained about them being bad representations.

So you are stupid faggot that smells. Ok then

I'm sure it's just ((((((their)))))) fault that women don't want to be around you.

I have to say that's a pretty professional answer to a very loaded question

>normies have invaded Veeky Forums

Sad times.

All of those guys are COOL though. They have interesting designs. As long as you're cool or funny, being ugly is fine. Mei doesn't have anything outside of looks, so if you don't find her attractive, there is literally nothing to like about her.

Girl in the magic card is not only ugly, but it's also badly drawn. Not only that, but people can instinctively tell that person is not someone they would want to be around. There's nothing salvageable.

>No one complained about them being bad representations.
People barely know Torb exists, and Sweden is irrelevant anyway.

Junkrat and Roadhog might have the most personality of any of the human cast since their little cinematic thing. Aside from that, the yaoi shippers actually go nuts for Junkrat.

You saying that is ironic seeing that this thread is retards whining about how some woman in a card game looks like.

>people can instinctively tell that person is not someone they would want to be around

That means its an accurate representation of Spikes.

>good goy, trust the research done by a gaming company that is fluffing those statistics with bullshit and bad math, then promoting them in an attempt to attract a treasured demographic to the game.
>implying women aren't like 80% of consumer purchases
>implying men care what percentage they are in a male-dominated hobby
>implying that all of this is not just an attempt to get more women into the game for more shekels
This is standard Wizards operating procedure. They are fucking jews who will do whatever it takes to turn a profit. They care about nothing else but money. Nothing. Else.

They don't even play cardcrack the turn into a fucking thiefening, they just google this shit or get it from kia's front page to shitpost here.

Post yfw art like pic related will never be seen in post 2015 MTG cards anymore

>normies have invaded Veeky Forums
Yeah, but it's OK. We'll still be here after reddit re-opens their incel board and you take off again.

I want /pol/ to leave.

kia hasn't even mentioned magic this month, so you can't pin this one on them.

Female tournament grinders make an even lower percentage of the already low percent of female Magic players.

That being said, I really don't care. The only gripe I have about the art design are those man hands. Chick looks like she's been working as a mason for 20 years.

It's kind of weird to see how people completely lose their shit over this. It can't be just a bad illustration, no, it HAS to be some grand statement about gender, and the drawing MUST have deep psychological reasons why it was carefully designed to be repulsive to anyone not from the (((left)))

I mean, /pol/ being overdramatic faggots is nothing new but this is just bizarre

true, but doesn't stop me from hating the card just like I hate snapcaster mage for forcing me to look at some ugly fatty

>cheated
You mean the one who made a dumb mistake that didn't affect the outcome of the game at all? Yeah, what a cheating bitch. Typical woman, she cheats and still manages to lose, amirite?

Mostly because I don't face any discrimination, marginalisation or other such worth mentioning because I'm Swedish (no matter how much US conservatives and Russian propagandists like to jerk off to the thought of us going to hell in a handbasket, any decade now). Thus if and how we're included in games doesn't really matter, I imagine the Australians feel somewhat similar.

Torbjorn's also such a poor representation (they couldn't even spell the fucking name right) that short of stating it outright like that no one will notice. It's a lot easier to tell a man from a woman than a Swede from an Austrian.

I can get Junkrat and Roadhog. But torbjorn is literally a warcraft dwarf. Nothing cool about him.

Listen, I get what you are saying, personality matters and people like attractive characters more.
However, I still think that people are far more forgiving to a female character without personality when they are attractive, while for ugly,personality-less guys, they are just forgetten.
It's like Moebius, the comic book artist said: Get a single line wrong on a female character, making them appear ugly or upset and no one will buy your book.

>"""""""""""""""""""""pro"""""""""""""""""""""""
>makes a mistake that basic and then gets defended until the end of time for it

>I mean, /pol/ being overdramatic faggots is nothing new but this is just bizarre
It's because this card was released at the same time that a bunch of incels on reddit lost their hangout board.

All the hobby boards on Veeky Forums are currently seeing an influx of ultrabetas who no longer have a place to spend their free time complaining that women aren't approaching them.

>But torbjorn is literally a warcraft dwarf. Nothing cool about him.
you do realize that people outsides of Veeky Forums LOVE warcraft dwarves right? that shit is really appealing to a lot of people.
people clap like fucking seals in blizzcon whenever someone does a Brann impression

>its not because they are uncompetitive but because the environment isn't welcoming

I think most of the opposition is coming from suspicions about the leadership at MtG, and a lot less to do with the actual card art itself.

It is sort of like how the people angry about "It's okay to be white" are angry about the type of people posting these messages, not necessarily the content of the message itself.

Not all people are doormats. You can't keep shoving an agenda into our face that we don't like and expect us not to say we've had enough of it eventually.

I dislike how Wotc has been pandering to the extreme left. M-muh inclusivity and diversity, fuck, I hate those two words now. I felt disgusted when they tried to make a big hoohaa about them hiring a black lady to write and design some black lady planeswalkers who ended up being sassy stereotypical blacks women.

I don't even play the game anymore since Theros, and I've been playing this shit since Onslaught. Fuck, just thinking about things like pic related makes me mad, and I'm not even white or westerner. I'm a chink from fucking southeast asia.

Because even pros make mistakes. She forgot she already played her land drop a dozen turns into a match after however many days of high level play.
>endlessly defended
More like endlessly attacked, faggot.

>It is sort of like how the people angry about "It's okay to be white" are angry about the type of people posting these messages, not necessarily the content of the message itself.

I'm pretty sure they're just angry about both.

What is inherently wrong with drawing more black people and illustrating women in less provocative attire?