/5eg/ - Fifth Edition Genera

>does it make me shit DM?
Absolutely. But it also must be said, the choices are optional.
Xanathar's actually addresses a lot of the issues that were present in the base game, and presents a lot of good options.
Really, even the poorer or op options aren't actually such, and would still work pretty well for gaming.

MUH
DICK

I have to agree with the grognards holding us back. A lot of what they had in the playtest looked dope as fuck, but got cut due to god knows what.

WE'RE GOING TO SIGIL, BABY!
Goddamn that was a good game.

Sabotage from PFshitters?

There are plenty of shitty people in non-PF D&D, we don't have to assume it was some evil false flag op by them.

We know it was really wizardfags.

got cut due to god knows what
When in doubt, blame Mearls

Good saves and good martial prowess, so they can fight slaad. Paladins.

hey /5eg/, opinion on magic items that get stronger as the campaign progresses?

I personally despise them. They always feel gimicky and tacked on, also it kinda forces you to keep that item around. Personally I prefer to find new magical items that are better then what we have, though I also love when DM's use random loot tables.

I love Strix, she's cute and funny.

Fun until you realize random loot and choice really help flesh out different playstyles and options. Scaling magic items really pigeonhole players in most cases, just becomes a wishlist for the player rather than an exercise in providing something interesting.
Would fornicate with.

>be Crawford
>checking my D&D Next playtest feedback inbox
>800,000 nearly identical letters spill out, all written on spell-quality vellum
>flowing script suspiciously reminiscent of auto-scribing spells
>overly flowery language and numerous references to magical concepts
>think this is weird because they're all signed by obvious Fighters like Slashy McStabberson, Bashy McCrusherson, Thrusty McBleederson, and Shooty McSlicerson
>all filled with the same complaint about martials being too complex for their peanut brains to handle and taking the focus away from the deserving casters at the table
>boy it looks like all these martials just want to autoattack every round
>better give em what they want

What if the upgrades were on a random table?
Like, the magical warhammer the dwarf is wearing might roll just a simple +1 to hit/damage, or it could roll some interesting ability

Man, bringing costumes to tabletop game is seriously underrated.

But you get lots of weird looks on the bus.
>no no i'm not a freak, I'm only wearing this because I'm going to slay some orcs with my friends tonight and try to rescue the princess from a dracolich. that's like a big undead dragon, if you didn't know

That would just be kinda stupid. Scaling magic items really just lock people into doing whatever they boost every round because 99% of the time it'll be the best thing to do. Giving the Fighter a sword which scales with all these cool effects further cements just saying "I attack" each round because now it's even better then shoves, grapples and object interactions.

Going wide with weaker magic items lets the players pick the ones they want to attune to, maybe the Cleric decides he wants to ditch the Sword and Shield to start taking that cool new Greatsword into battle and so on.

Another thing with going wide rather then powerful with magic items, mechanical benefits are boring as shit. Best weapon I ever got at low levels was a staff that weighed a ton but was telescopic, when you said a command word it would extend with a LOT of force and was nearly unbreakable. Even at level 16 I was using it as a tool to smash and open things.

What reason would an archmage have for having a beholder form?

my groups at the perfect level for a beholder fight but an Archmage would make for a very bad fight
are beholders immortal?

Bro, have you seen PF players? They can be quite vindictive and antagonistic, especially against an edition which they perceive to be a threat.

Spilting those magic effects across multiple tools adds more to the experience I'd say. Maybe they find a +1 Longsword that'll obviously go to the dueling Fighter, and a Spear that once per day can cast Lightning Bolt by throwing the spear.

It's cool to have this guy tricked out in a bunch of little magical things like this, carrying around a small armoury of tools. Rather then one item that does everything.

Kek

Hm, all righty then, will try to split the effects around rather than making them upgrade their gear

Reminder that if you have even one caster that knows what they're doing a beholder is around about CR 2 in terms of challenge

Except your edition isn't a threat. Neither was 4th. 4urries hated the fact that PF was still going good despite the existence of their 'superior' game. 5e is no different. PF has nothing to fear from your game, and they really don't care what you think of them.

Trolls and false flaggers exist in every thread. It's very easy to troll people...well, like yourself into believing whatever they want you to believe.

>not having the Shadow Monk teleport 60 feet overhead of the beholder and falling on it with a burlap sack

Looks like the PF spy's blown his cover, boys! Check his pockets for futa furry porn.

>Needing a level 6 party to beat a beholder
>Not soloing it with a level 3 character

What is this meme?

Actually, it's loli and scalies, but okay.

It's a 'Many things can be countered just by fucking up everyone's vision' meme

Fog cloud is more powerful than one expects

It's the asymptote of skillcap
as wizard player IQ approaches 300, power level approaches infinite

Rate this brew if you're interested.

This is why my Fighter drags around a wheeled partition.

Why are you interested in other people's futa furry porn, user?

Is your Fighter also an early-00's office lady?

Why is tome of beasts on 5etools?

Except 5e is actually well designed and the devs actually listen to their playerbase, unlike PF where the devs somehow made a shit system even worse, and where the playtests are public mockeries and meaningless.

any oots fans here?

what do you think of the self print miniatures which are released right now? are you fine with the comic look or do you want your table to be darker/more realistic?

>playtests are public mockeries and meaningless
You mean like every 5e playtest? Because that's all the 5e crowd could scream about was how falsified the playtests were for 5e. Or is that inconvenient for your narrative?

Some of the upgrade points seem wonky also why 7?

Yes. I also have an office chair to carry my backpack.

Truly this is the only true option for a Fighter.

Components needed for crafting a VERY powerful necromantic artifact:

- "The bones of a lich, carved with dark runes found only in the Book of Vile Darkness."
- "A night hag's heartstone, containing a death's tyrant's soul (captured using the magic jar spell)."
- "A molten hexblade, corrupted by the blood of orcus."
- "A bag of devouring fed with vampire dust 10 days in a row."
- "The ashes of a mummy's heart, incinerated by a red dragon in the elemental plane of fire."
- "One Ioun stone of greater absorption, left 100 years in the negative energy plane."
- "10 black sapphires bathed in a mixture of banshee's ectoplasm, purple worm's poison & black dragon's acid".
- "The forgotten knowledge found in the lost Ars Factum chapter of the Nether Scrolls"
- "The Wish spell."

Thoughts?

They rock!

Okay but has does a level 3 caster fuck over a beholder?

They actually listened to people in the DNDNext playtest, and made even more changes and modifications to the UAs and with the material into Xanathar's because of the playtesting involving that.
There's no need to be utterly disingenuous and a blatant liar, or does that not fit your narrative.

I didn't hear about that, but it seems to me that the material that ended up in Xanathar's is a lot better than the playtest material. (I would have liked to see the stone sorcerer get further, but the theme and the abilities didn't really fit with each other. Short of making a ludicrous "Gish bloodline" or something that hits the same notes as the Hexblade, I'm not sure how you do that archetype.)

What's your complaint personally?

How would an office lady Fighter work, mechanically and fluff-wise?

What weapons do you wield? What is your reason for adventuring?

>Shit-dm

Not at all. Your responsibility to the game is to ban anything you think will be a detriment. The whole broken wizard meme is a result of bad DM's allowing infinite splatbooks as well as not following the rules properly.

In my 5E games I play purely core only and the game is better for it. No unearthed arcana( including the broken ranger) No scag. Just the core game and it's better for it.

No she is grating and awkward.

...

His complaint is that he has to hide lying through his teeth and has to continue to smell the rancid shit he's smeared himself with, which was of his own doing.

SOMEBODY needs to get the toner for the printer and it sure as hell won't be Deborah from Accounting

I've been invited to my first ever 5E game.

Time to roll the Outlander Forest Gnome "Way of the Sun Soul" Monk I've always wanted.

They say toner made from the powdered gall bladder of a black dragon produces the cleanest lines, the deepest blacks, and never runs low. Our quarterly expense presentations will be sure to pop.

Hope you have fun, buddy.

You weren't here for the 5e playtests, were you. It's pretty obvious.

3rd party stuff is always better, user. It has to be so it can get used and they make money.

I think you've got a weird tippyverse-esque combination of rules and flavour in there.

You're making game-defined things like Ioun stones and the Wish spell into components for a story-defined thing, the crafting of a mysterious and sinister artifact. Personally, I'd avoid mixing the two. There's no glamour or excitement in the Wish spell as I see it, it's just a thing that you get at level 17. If your characters know they need this list of ingredients to make a thing (how do they know that?) then do they also know that they need to beat on orcs and kobolds for a few months before they're powerful enough to cast that spell? Does everyone know what the Book of Vile Darkness is?

I'd stick to entirely story-based elements for a story-based thing like crafting. Leave the game mechanics for the part of the game where people are looking at character sheets and not trying to imagine things from the perspective of their characters.

>The whole broken wizard meme is a result of bad DM's allowing infinite splatbooks as well as not following the rules properly
The whole broken wizard thing is autists never playing the game and just complaining about what they think is and isn't broken

ganbatte, user
don't fuck it up

It's gonna be a fun time. Pint sized power house always looking for something strong to test himself against.

To be honest I'm debating a bit between Sun Soul and Open Hand.

What are general thoughts and consensus on the different traditions?

....The joke is that we don't seriously believe this, right?
Or are we actually stupid enough to believe that the Lithuanian 3D Chess board's opinion is the best way to make a game, and it could ONLY be because of sabotage in playtesting and not genuine other opinions that made things the way they are?
I mean, I know we're insufferable, and arrogant, and stupid, and unsociable, but I didn't think we were also completely delusional.

>opinions can't be right or wrong
I bet you like plain chocolate ice cream too, you fucking freak.

Were you even here for the 5e playtests, do you actually understand what they did with the UAs and Xanathar's? Now compare that to the PF failures of every playtest where the playtester feedback didn't matter at all.
You're completely reaching and making yourself look like a literal retard. More than you actually are.

Yes that too.

I've been playing over a decade and a lot of 3.5/PF in that time and the wizard meme never came up.

It's always the goddamn fucking autists.

It always has and always will be the autists that ruin everything. The real sad thing is that they ruin it for themselves too.

>The whole broken wizard meme is a result of bad DM's allowing infinite splatbooks

...in 3.PF? I'm a bit lost in this conversation, so bear with me, but are you saying that wizards in 3.PF are only broken because of infinite splatbooks?

Because that's just plain wrong. While there are some meme things you can do with splatbook fun in 3.PF (Locate City Bomb, natch), all of the most powerful and unbalanced Wizard options in 3.PF are located right in the Player's Handbook.

I don't need some obscure splatbook to break a 3.PF Wizard.

This has come up in, like, every single CharOp board ever for the past 17 years. Give the Martial unlimited access to any splatbook, with the sole requirement being that he cannot take levels in a spellcasting class or prestige class; and give the Wizard access solely to the Player's Handbook, Dungeon Master's Guide, and Monster Manual and a requirement to not multiclass; and the Wizard will win every single time at every single level.

>I've never been in a game where someone has actually played a Wizard to a fraction of its potential, so it must be a meme
Maybe you have nice friends. Maybe you have dumb friends. But their inability or unwillingness to utilize the system isn't evidence that it can't be exploited. I have a gun in my closet that's never killed anyone but I'm pretty sure it could.

You gun a shit, user.

That's more of a statement of PF being completely shit.

Link to these?

"Wizards (and Clerics [and Druids]) are OP" wasn't born of PF.

Actually I'm more familiar with 3rd Edition than Pathfinder, and I'm mostly referring to 3rd Edition.

Give me a Candle of Invocation, and I will become a god, or so close as to make no difference. Or alternatively, I'll just take Craft Wondrous Item and build the damn thing myself.

(On the other hand, 3.5 does have some rules quirks in it that I just find kind of adorable and fun, in a cartoony way. Like the fact that you can drown someone to save them from dying; or the fact that you can turn invisible with a tower shield)

You can get to them from the shop from the GitP site.

Don't suppose you could upload them? Or if you got them free somewhere, tell me where?

Yeah, the worst that can really be said of Pathfinder, from a mechanics perspective, is that it didn't fix 3.5. But to my knowledge it didn't really make the situation any worse, either. Except if you liked to Power Attack.

Plus they have the Urban Barbarian archetype, which I kind of love and wish I could port into 5e cleanly.

There is nothing wrong with ranger revised you blooming idiot.

>inb4 people who multiclass UA

>Urban Barbarian archetype, which I kind of love
Care to elaborate?

In our current game of HotDQ i play half orc barbarian with criminal background and i play him like urban thug. I picked bear totem, because it seems best from mechanical point of view, but even then - with the exception of being able to cast two spells as rituals there is nothing that's not fitting to what i have in mind.

Revised Ranger is AL legal tho

Would you allow parrying daggers?

Not sure? Which ones seemed wonky?

Powerful Build and a cantrip cost the same, and both cost the same for what amounts to darkvision.

What does it do?

You can fluff your dagger in any style you want, yes.

No, it's not. Sage Advice has clarified that it isn't. Not yet, anyway.

How do you counter a gloom stalker? I'd imagine some darkvision creatures use light even if they can see in the dark, but this isn't going to always be the case

>Have a monk
>But the monk never uses stunning stirke, ever, even when they have a load of extra ki they're using for nothing else and they reach short rests with all that extra ki

Basically, it's an archetype designed for Porthos. Mechanically it's nothing special, but I love the concept.

>Every barbarian knows that city life can soften the spirit and the body, but some barbarians take on the trappings and ways of their adoptive homes and bend their savage powers to its challenges. While these urban barbarians’ rough edges are smoothed into civility, they can use their primal nature and upbringing to move with the ebb and flow of civilization’s natural rhythms.

>An urban barbarian is not proficient with medium armor.

>An urban barbarian does not gain Handle Animal (Cha), Knowledge (nature) (Int), or Survival (Wis) as class skills; instead, she gains Diplomacy (Cha), Knowledge (local) (Int), Knowledge (nobility) (Int), Linguistics (Int), and Profession (Wis) as class skills.

>At 1st level, an urban barbarian gains a +1 bonus on attack rolls and a +1 dodge bonus to AC when adjacent to two or more enemies. In addition, her movement is not impeded by crowds, and she gains a bonus equal to 1/2 her barbarian level on Intimidate checks to influence crowds. This ability replaces fast movement.

>When an urban barbarian rages, instead of making a normal rage she applies a +4 morale bonus to her Strength, Dexterity, or Constitution. This bonus increases to +6 when she gains greater rage and +8 when she gains mighty rage. She may apply the full bonus to one ability score or may split the bonus between several scores in increments of +2. When using a controlled rage, an urban barbarian gains no bonus on Will saves, takes no penalties to AC, and can still use Intelligence-, Dexterity-, and Charisma-based skills. This ability alters rage.

>Rage Powers: The following rage powers complement the urban barbarian archetype: boasting taunt, clear mind, deadly accuracy, guarded stance, intimidating glare, lethal accuracy, no escape, quick reflexes, perfect clarity, sharpened accuracy, surprise accuracy, and unexpected strike.

I would imagine a small boost to AC whilst also being a dagger.