Warhammer 40.000 General /40kg/

Damn it, I thought the cults were supposed to be faster than that.

>Close range miss the target fest

Anyway, not quite. Never expect consistency from GW. The most recent novel had an expendable expedition fleet numbering 100 billion

That Ynnari nerf though.

They'll probably get some generic '1 command point: you can use the same soul burst again', '2 command points, trigger soul burst in the enemy turn'.

Sucks to have the army essentially squatted though, since it is now better to run whatever guys you have as CWE or DE.

How does an Inquisition Force consisting of Deathwatch, a Custode Squad, An Eversor, and some Inquisitors sound?

GuiltyMarm

LT. with stalker bolter
3 squads of reivers with grav chutes and combat blades
2 squads of intercessors
2 squads of hellblasters
Leviathan dread with dual grav-flux bombards
Deredeo dread with autocannons and missile launcher
Primaris apothecary
Manlet apothecary
Primaris ancient

2k points.

>‘I have looked into the shadow in the warp and seen the thing that casts it,’ said Mephiston. ‘What assails our galaxy is not an army of individuals, or even a colony of social animals working as one, but a single creature, a monstrous foe of inconceivable dimensions. Scaraban is correct. We have our perception of this predator back to front. It is not as it appears, a host of creatures linked psychically, it can instead be seen as a single, massive psychic presence: a single mind. These monsters that attack us generate it, they make it as a man makes his soul, but whereas ours are individual, theirs is singular, a single predator, not many.’

>‘And when they attack each other?’ said Malphas.

>‘Perhaps the hive fleets are different beings, one mind for each. Perhaps they are all ultimately one. We cannot say for sure. The tyranids are utterly alien. But we know the hive mind is real. This intelligence is emergent, coming from the billions of creatures in the swarms, but it is not an empty intellect, it is aware. It has a soul.’

>‘You say then this being is a warp entity, born of the immaterium?’ asked a Librarian. ‘In our librarius we have theorised it is but another thing of Chaos wearing xenos skin.’

>‘Codicier Laertamos, Brothers of the Red,’ the herald skull announced.

>Scaraban shook his head. ‘I am sure its origins are in this realm of being. We are not alone in holding this opinion of its nature. The reports of Inquisitor Kryptmann, others in the Inquisition and the Magos Biologis suggest so, at least those that support this interpretation. Perhaps what we are seeing is a creature part-way to spiritual transcendence, a gestalt made of the minds of billions of brute animals trapped half in and half out of the warp by unending hunger?’

>‘You suggest we fight a god?’ scoffed a Space Marine of cadaverous appearance. His eyes were sunken in skin that looked dry as dust.
Reminder that the Hive Mind > the Emperor

R8 My chrome

is she pouring a pot of purple ink into a pot of white paint?

The fuck? I mean aside from the huge fucking mess that will create because those pots are shit and spill everywhere, why waste the paint mixing them like that?

Why on earth would anyone work with an Eversor?
Why are Custodes a part of that?
Why did you think it was a good idea?

Take the 'naut!

>meanwhile tyranids devour hiveworlds in 80 days
how can taulets even compete?

T'au are literally the most insignificant playable race in the setting and always will be until they add another race that's even more literally-who tier ignorable.

Played my first two games with 'Nids today.

First game vs necrons, nids were so fast they crossed the table in a heartbeat and charged loads of their stuff turn 1, he was tabled turn three after doing very little to me.

Second game was better, nids vs imperial fists.
He castled up and I took first turn, pouncing on exposed sectons of his harm with massed deepstrike and charges as well as my squad of zoanathropes with neurothropes manging to wipe an entire 10 man tacticle sqaud with smite.

He retaliated by hitting back with his redemptor dreadnaught, killing a squad of warriors and shooting gargoyles to death.
Come second turn I managed to turn his castle against him by charging him through the walls of a ruin and chopping up his devastators.

Overall, nids seem really overpowered and didn't give the other guy much of a chance to fight back before being surrounded.

I agree with this. Still like the idea of running a Tau army backed by Kroot tho.

>math
>wiki

Post ignored.

Like the other user said, a sacrificial fleet that was meant to fail by the ethereals had 100 billion Tau and billion other user-Tau.

Single T'au cities can sustain billions of souls in comfort. This why the T'au look upon Hiveworlds as evidence of the failure of mankind. They are not impressed.

What were the rules for DKoK again?

Also, do you have to take a regimental ruleset for ImpG? Or can I just run them without the rules?

Necrons are shit though, user

Will he ever come back?

Logistics and support personell probably fall under water, air and earth.

Also some air form the navy and up combat personell further.

You both are morons. The T'au have conquered an entire Hive world is a SINGLE DAY. That record was never beaten by any force in the galaxy.

>Why on earth would anyone work with an Eversor?
It's less about willingly working with him and more the Inquisitor said stay out of his way.
>Why are Custodes a part of that?
Because I like the models and why not?
>Why did you think it was a good idea?
I liked the idea of an Inquisitor bringing the full Imperial might down on some poor Xeno.

Kauyon states there were 100 billion tau in the empire, this is the closest to official numbers we’ll ever get

>a sacrificial fleet that was meant to fail by the ethereals had 100 billion Tau
but how many of those where actual ships?

He's still around, still alive.
He'll come back after Dorn comes back and has his Captain America Civil War plotline with Guilliman and the Lion, and this time Dorn will soundly defeat him to give him something to truly be bitter about

Why is the Herald of Nurgle squatted in the Games Workshop page?

I just wanted to buy a single one...

>80 days
Old fluff mate, they took asphodex in less than a week

mediocre/10, would not Witness.

Conquering a world in one day can be as simple as dropping into the planetary governor's palace, space marines do shit like that all the time.

There's a massive difference between that, and stripping all the biomass and converting it into fresh resources to bolster your own ranks, in a matter of months.

In my early folly I used a well known colour scheme.
Am I doomed to My Guys-lessness, without repainting, or is it fine to say they're just unknowns in a well known mob?

lmao okay, you do realize those 80 days are primarily digesting the entire planet right?
It took nids less than a week to BTFO an iron warrior fortress world
Fortress worlds are significantly harder to crack than a hiveworld.

Dorn is dead

I think that implies 100 billion listened to his speech, the ones who were where he was going.

Hive worlds aren't hot shit anymore though, most factions could probably take one.

A massive Hive Fleet doing it in a matter of weeks is all well and good.

But there's old fluff of a single Tyranid mycetic spore leading to an entire world being devoured in 100 days.

>How many were ships

Do tau work under Tyranid logic and grow giant air caste ship girls now?

They're far too points efficient and quick to get into melee. With the buffs to Synapse and how difficult it can be to take down the big creatures if your army lacks Mortal Wounds/consistent high damage weapon, if they're not OP they're at least incredibly unfun to play against.

>meant to fail
where does it say that?

>take
>devour
reading comprehension

Look at that face
you think she cares? THATS HER PLAN!

A numerically tiny army like marines trying to fortify an entire planet has always been an act in comedy more than warfare.

EC noob from last thread, I'll post what I have as an army instead of asking generally.

2 Battalions

10m Shooty Cultist squad
10m Shooty Cultist squad
4x 5m Noisy NM squad (4x sonic blaster, blastmaster, plasma pistol)

5x Plasma/Axe terminators
3x Obliterators

As far as HQ I have no idea what to add to this, and it seems like I will lose melee engagements badly.

Chaos Marines aren't limited to retarded low numbers like Loyalist Chapters are.

Used to be, it was retconned as MIA in 5th-6th ed.

Aun'va is a bitter cuck who dislikes Farsight and was hoping the latter would go off and get martyred somewhere.
Surprise, surprise Farsight holds off multiple assassins and Aun'Va is killed by a fucking Culexus of all things.

Iron Warriors aren't limited by the codex failstartes, and even chapter-level detachments of marines have a large number of secondary role servitors and serfs to build the fortifications and man them.

>ywn have a giant air caste ship girl gf
>ywn nestle between her nacelles

>A numerically tiny army like marines trying to fortify an entire planet has always been an act in comedy more than warfare.
>because chaos space marines dont use corrupted guardsmen at all
Iron warriors are pretty much the universes biggest siege experts with a major hardon for building fortresses no on can take, its literally all they did during the crusades.

I still greatly enjoy the fact that that wrinkly fuck died screaming and wetting himself.

It's Farsight expedition to what would be known as the forbidden zone. The Ethereal sent him there to fail and die to get rid of him because the Fire Caste were gaining influence after the Damocles Crusade ended. It's in the novel. "Crisis of Faith".

DORN LIVES

Oh wow ten thousand or so and only a fraction of them would have been at that world, how terrifying.

All 40k fluff from a narrator perspective is garbage.

Thanks, but I didn't ask why, I asked where

Legions number in the hundreds of thousands, that's not including the millions of cultists, slaves, renegade guard, and so on that serve under them.

>I don't understand how force multipliers work
Smells like pleb in here

Well, they also say that a Black Crusade has "thousands" of ships and "millions" of warriors, so they'd get handily swatted out of the sky by said Tau expedition. If that Tau fleet was literally the entire Expansion Sphere it would make perfect sense, actually. I decided to sidestep the writers randomly pulling numbers out of the air by ignoring the Hive Worlds that house one person per 32 square metres by stacking them into giant spires surrounded by empty space, fleets containing a puny or massively oversized number of dudes or the militarized fortress planets with thirty thousand defenders and going with rough averages. Yeah, I know GW can't be bothered to scale, but I thought I'd take a crack at it.

At least some of the Fire Caste should probably be non-combat arms. According to another quick google the US army has about 20% of their people in combat arms, and if you apply that to the Tau literally every single one is working for their military. They'd be collapsing in under a generation, even North Korea only spends 22% percent of their GDP on their army.

You do realize Iron warriors have literal cloning facilities where they just shit out Astartes right?
And servitors
And daemons
And slaves
And traitor guardsmen

>All 40k fluff is completely trash and should be disregarded in the name of better rules.
FTFY

Sounds cool, like some major league xenos inquisitor pulling out all the stops

>The most recent novel had an expendable expedition fleet numbering 100 billion
I'd like to see the direct qoute for this, because I doubt that was 100 billion cruiser sized ships

Given the amount of contradictions in scale and the like between different BL novels and GW codexes, should GW crack down and create an internal lore bible for more consistency?

Yeah but only if they get someone who isn't retarded to write it.

Like re-hire the Overfiend.

>should GW crack down and create an internal lore bible for more consistency?
the only thing that keeps the grognards around is endlessly bitching about inconsistencies, so I wouldn't count on it

He probably meant 100 billion tau not ships, no?

>The might of the Kor’vattra was resplendent. Here were battleships, navy escorts, colony ships, gravpulse tugs, dropships, outrider patrols, coalition command ships, an armada of Protector class warships, Defender class starships and their larger Messenger equivalents, Gal’leath Explorer class flagships, Merchant and Hero class starships, and Emissary envoy ships. With them were smaller Mantas, Orca escorts, Shi’oni scramblers, Barracuda squadrons and Tiger Shark squadrons.

>Amongst these ships were the designated transport craft of the tau work groups. The vessels held insertion contingents, breakthrough contingents, forward security contingents, encounter contingents and dense environment contingents. To the left were the water caste’s diplomatic corps, unity nodes, arrangement fleets and relay comms ships bristling with stubby antennae. In the middle distance were the earth caste’s settlement workgroups, bioformer vessels, prefab factory ships, space-capable prototype centres, mantlecraft, camouflage engines, engineering support frigates, special extraction teams, enclave specialists and Worldshaper’s sub-fleet of terraforming cutters.

>Nearer ground level were those craft with which Farsight was the most familiar– the Manta transports of the fire caste’s hunter cadres, counterstrike cadres, retaliation cadres, ranged support cadres, rapid insertion forces and firebase support cadres, all supported by the Razorshark squadrons and Sun Shark Bomber squadrons of the air superiority cadres.

>On the far horizon were the auxiliary forces of the allied advance. Farsight recognised the silhouettes of nicassar dhows, domati wyrmships, the stalactite-like nest vessels of the vespid, kroot warspheres looming like orbiting moons, demiurg autominer bastions and greet stealthers.

I don’t know why people think getting killed by a culexus as a non-Psyker is weird, tau still have enough soul to get wrecked, and a dim warp presence doesn’t save you from getting buttsexed to death. Plus, the culexus was a hard counter to tau technology, none of their sensors could detect it

>Literally thousands of spacecraft were arranged in perfect, grid-like harmony stretching up into the clouds and beyond, the smaller ships and drones buzzing amongst them taking their number of airborne machines to mind-boggling numbers. They made a Bork’an locust swarm look sparse by comparison.

>Farsight felt his chest tighten at the sight, his breath shallow as he struggled to come to terms with the enormous responsibility that had been placed upon him. The number of tau lives entrusted to him had spiralled over a hundred billion. It was a mind-blowing increase on his last command.

Here is the text in full context.

Crisis of Faith

Do that and the planet revolts though. So you didn't actually conquer it.

Tau actually conquered a planet in a day. Even numarines can't do that.

Yeah, the discussion had to do with species count not ships

>Imperial players justify loosing territory to nerds edition

That's all four standard castes, no? Maybe 5, if there were Ethereals present, and probably skewed somewhat towards Air Caste just for all the sailors. 18 to 25 billion Fire Warriors is a lot of dudes, but not absurd at all for someone of Farsight's importance and tactical skill. 1/12th of the Fire Caste seems about right for a full campaign, what was this fleet's job exactly?

I have a feeling they'd be a lot more efficient than that, frankly. America doesn't have drones and an entire social caste dedicated to war.

whats a good tank killer/high toughness high wound killer unit for my genestealer cult?
i was thinking of taking 2 lemen russ with vanquisher cannons

It was an expedition fleet, secretly Aun'Va was aiming for Farsight to martyr himself somewhere far off.

Vanquisher cannons are really bad. You'd be better off with the standard battle cannon.

>Wearing an Alpharius shirt
>Sabotaging Duncan's precious Lahmian Medium

Geee, what could be the intent of the picture? Mysterious...

>They're far too points efficient and quick to get into melee.
Two words.

Kraken
Genestealers
>20" move and charge

not seeing the hundred million and they refer to the thousands as spacecraft, while refering to the actual ships as starships, while mentioning an envoy of tiny shitter ships like mantas and orcas.

I'd put my money on those thousands being their envoy ships, because a standard imperial fleet contains only a few ships and the same goes for every other faction.

Likewise I would be willing to bet those 100 billion tau are like, all the damn tau including any civilians on the planets and support stations, not 100 billion fire warriors.

Unless you're telling me Tau somehow became more numerous than the orks, the most numerous faction in the setting.

How you getting 20" and charge?

You get 8" + 1d6.

BL cannot into scale

>Closest tau analog to marriage is bonding knife ceremony
>Entire squads or work groups get bonded

How common are tau orgies?

Kauyon the "I totally beat up Magnus guys, honest"? I'll take it with a grain of sand, and also poetic license.

You get 8 + double the result of 3d6 take the highest with the Adaptation + Stratagem.

Underrated post

>Dante using kids as young as 10 as conscripts
grimdank

Move 8", advance 2d6

will two battle cannons be enough to help me out with armor players?
i ask because my friend is a space marine player and he loves tanks and shit so i dont want to be tabled evertime we play because i cant deal with a predator or two

Does anyone have a
>very fast genestealer moving at incredible hihg speed
Type picture?

I don't understand how Ultramar still manages to be relatively better off than most worlds while still having a high quality of life in comparison, armies, even PDF ones, on par with the Guard, and production equal to forge/industrial worlds. I mean, is the rest of the Imperium even trying? Is every single Planetary Governor that corrupt, incompetent or just cruel that they can't even provide a 21st century first-world level quality of life for their citizens? If it is just governance, then other worlds should follow what the Ultramarines are doing in terms of how they organize their worlds. But nope, apparently, almost every single world is just run as inefficiently as possible, with as many human rights violations committed that comes along with it. Chaos should just win or the Nids should just eat the Imperium. The Imperium deserves it for being this incompetent that it makes real-life African governments look decent in comparison.

The whole planet was covered in fortresses, overlapping firing zones, minefields and razor wire and was more than capable of BTFOing everything the Tyranids could throw at them in land or in the air. Unfortunately the defenses didn’t count on an army being able to mount a large scale subterranean assault, so they got shut down pretty quickly