Warhammer 40000 General /40kg/

I'm personally not a fan of any deathwatch bolt weapons without the additional charge packs on the sides.

Though I'm not sure how you'd get more "deathwatch" bolt pistols, aside from casting the ones on the librarian and chaplain from overkill.

Depends on the price, like most things in 40k.

12th for AdMech

r8 my fluffy Tsons/Tzeentch list:

++ Brigade Detachment +9CP (Chaos - Thousand Sons) [76 PL, 1459pts] ++

+ HQ +

Ahriman [8 PL, 131pts]

+ Troops +

Rubric Marines [14 PL, 262pts]
. Aspiring Sorcerer: Force stave, Inferno Bolt Pistol
. 4x Rubric Marine w/ Inferno Boltgun: 4x Inferno boltgun
. Rubric Marine w/ Soulreaper cannon: Soulreaper cannon
. 3x Rubric Marine w/ Warpflamer: 3x Warpflamer

Rubric Marines [8 PL, 143pts]
. Aspiring Sorcerer: Force stave, Inferno Bolt Pistol
. 3x Rubric Marine w/ Inferno Boltgun: 3x Inferno boltgun
. Rubric Marine w/ Soulreaper cannon: Soulreaper cannon

Tzaangors [4 PL, 70pts]: 9x Tzaangor w/ Tzaangor Blades
. Twistbray: Tzaangor blades

+ Elites +

Scarab Occult Terminators [13 PL, 266pts]
. Scarab Occult Sorcerer: Force stave, Inferno Combi-bolter
. Terminator: Inferno Combi-bolter, Powersword
. Terminator: Inferno Combi-bolter, Powersword
. Terminator: Inferno Combi-bolter, Powersword
. Terminator w/ Heavy Weapon: Hellfyre Missile Rack, Power sword, Soulreaper Cannon

+ Heavy Support +

Forgefiend [10 PL, 211pts]: 2x Hades autocannons, Ectoplasma cannon

Maulerfiend [9 PL, 161pts]: Lasher tendrils

+ Flyer +

Heldrake [10 PL, 215pts]: Baleflamer, Heldrake claws

++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Chaos - Daemons) [33 PL, 606pts] ++

+ HQ +

Herald of Tzeentch [4 PL, 83pts]: Staff of Change

Herald of Tzeentch on Burning Chariot [7 PL, 135pts]: Blue Horrors, Staff of Change

+ Troops +

Horrors [5 PL, 80pts]: 10x Pink Horror

+ Elites +

Exalted Flamer [4 PL, 70pts]

Exalted Flamer [4 PL, 70pts]

Flamers [9 PL, 168pts]: 5x Flamer, Pyrocaster

the price is 4+ vs 3+

Let's compare

10 shots with Str5, 4+ BS vs 10 shots with S4, 3+ BS

Against a T4 Target:

S5 BS 4+: 5 hits, 3.33 wounds

S4 BS 3+: 6.66 hits, 3.33 wounds

huh neet

but then its only equal in that scenario, vs 3 toughness its worse and 5 it's better? and after that its the same?

Changes at 8/9 as well (Where Str 5 isn't dealing with 2x Strength and Str 4 is)

to be honest though at that point you're shooting the wrong target

Vs. T3

BS4+ S5: 5 hits, 3.33 wounds

BS3+ S4: 6.66 hits, 4.44 wounds

Vs T5

BS4+ S5: 5 hits, 2.5 wounds

BS3+ S4: 6.66 hits, 2.22 wounds

Yeah but still different and hey, sometimes you don't have a good target in range.

How is it acceptable for S6 to be so worthless? There are not enough T5 units for it to be worth taking over S5 weapons with more shots or S7 weapons with less, and T3 units are not nearly as common as T4 and are more easily killed by massed S4 fire, which is simple to come by.

>T3 units are not nearly as common as T4

?

Can you guys tell me how my army looks so far? It's my first one.
>5 Primaris Intercessors
>3 Primaris Inceptors
>5 Primaris hellblasters
>Primaris Captain in Gravis Armour
>10 Tactical Assault Marines, one squad with melta specialist, the other with missile launcher
>10 Scout Marines
>1 Land Raider
can't decide what chapter I want to play as yet. Maybe Minotaurs?

Looks like a nice start. At this stage, you're best off just using whichever paint scheme you think is coolest.

I love the simple bronze the Minotaurs have, but Ultras seem to have the most broken skillset

Ditch the forgefiend and get a predator or helbrute. Forgefiends are trash. And I guess it's not really an issue of being fluffy or not when you've just checked nearly every box on the 1ksons very limited army list. You'll struggle against more vehicle heavy lists with only 2 exalted flamers, a hellfyre missle rack, and BS4 forgefiend with the suicide plasma gun to deal with them, but that's a problem in general for thousand sons. If you're looking to shave off some points, I doubt 10 melee Tzaangors will be all that effective in such small numbers. Either figure out a way to get that number to 20-30 or swap them with Cultists for a cheaper third troop. An instrument is also mandatory for Tzaangors, as it's free anyways. A Demon Prince would also really make things nice for you for the added melee support and reroll 1's to hit. As is, you only have Ahriman who will likely need to baby sit the Forgefiend with prescience to make it at all effective. You could also consider more horrors for objective camping.

Take the above for what you will.

Playing an army you like is much more important than playing an army that's powerful.

Fair enough, I kinda dislike the ultras fluffwise, and Minotaurs/Angry Marines seem to be the best kinds of assholes

random.org/

Use this and let the dice decide your fate, my dude.

Rolled Imperial Fists, but I'm pretty sure yellow is my worst enemy

Choose one of their successors then. Black Templars are pretty sweet and fit the general Angry Marine mold if you're into melee.

I do like some dedicated melee units, only problem is I have 3 marines with melee weapons. Can I just LARP that all my tacticals have chainswords?

Depends on your opponent. Since that would double their number of attacks, for now cost, I doubt many would be cool with it.

fair enough. Should I invest in Reavers or should I just stick with what I've got with some old bits and pieces some buddies are giving me later on?

called proxying and alot of people i know dont care for example i run beserkers and the models have half chainswords and chainaxes and i proxy them all as chainaxes

I find that bolters are more effective than chainswords on large Crusader squads - they do most of their work before you reach the target. Unless you're running them out of a Land Raider Crusader.

Best way to build lots of Chainsword marines is the Assault Squad kit - it comers with normal backpacks, not just jump packs

If you have extra combat knives those do the same thing as chainswords. You could even use them as a bayonet for easy modeling

>waaaaah, why can’t we be nigger-tier roidraging teamkillers who have to be put down by our brothers like rabid dogs
>I didn’t ask to be fixed!
Holy shit, Flesh Tearers are such a whiny dogshit chapter.

I think they might care for me considering everyone else has bolters
I think I have my Inceptors for the jump packs, but thanks
same stats as chainswords? Sick

Fresh out the mek shop. Due to be played in my first game with Orks in about 12 hours down at the flgs.

Dubs names. If it's not obscene I'll even paint it on the doors.

rundown?

Greased Fightan'

Hmmm yes, yes.

I wanted to order the "maelstrom of gore" for the 48 berserkers so I can model as many as possible with chainaxes. I know I dont actually need that many for my list so I guess its not a big deal if my dudes have chainswords that count as chainaxes, eh?

The interceptor
Read the fucking OP

You can add a completely new non-special character unit to your army to add more versatility.

What is it/how does it play?

>everyone else has bolters
they wont care if they are not pieces of shit and you arent proxying everything but if your doing the chainswords they are brought with bolt pistols so if it were me i wouldnt complain

>same stats as chainswords? Sick
Yes. S: User, AP 0, D 1 and an extra attack

I like that one

Deathwatch sniper infiltrators. Light armor, smoke grenades, stalker bolters w/sniper, camo cloaks

I meant on the actual chapter themselves. What the fuck are they?
I'll talk to them beforehand, having a priming day tomorrow if it doesnt rain
Sweet, time to get the Xactos back out

im confused right here i cant tell if im getting mocked

The Prancing Fairy

Reroll

OIEYAGITSHOOTEM

>reads OP image

I-Is robot girlyman the bad guy?

lowist rida'

Are you just now finding this out?

Daisy

Yes

...

Read up on the Imperum Secundus. Girlyman's always been a self-centered faggot

>be nid player
>start reading devastation of baal for nids
>finish reading devastation of baal wanting to start a blood angels army too

Well goddamn, that was pretty good.

Some sort of vehicle for the SOB that isn't just 'Something marines get but with less options'. The one I saw tossed about a few times I liked was purely in-atmosphere aircraft (So they don't conflict with the Imperial Navy).

Saved from a previous thread, someone's silly idea for a SOB aircraft.

An airship in 40k is really fucking dumb.

Does anybody know what the fuck Sanguinor is supposed to be? Are we getting the least faggiest Primarch back in a sense?
I mean, it kinda sounds similar to a primaris repulsor

christ almighty man get your shit together
bangels? really? Next ur gonna tell me that marines arent for fags

Wouldn't honestly be dumber than half the space marine fliers we've would.

>I meant on the actual chapter themselves. What the fuck are they?
A Blood Angels successor who are extra focused on RIP AND TEAR due to their marines suffering disproportionately high instances of red thirst and black rage. They occasionally murder regiments of allied guardsmen because they’re fucking lunatics.

>have wych cult army
>8th drops
>people talk about how good melee is
>oh boy maybe my shit won't suck
>melee is a joke
>shooting remains supreme
>everyone can moonwalk out of combat
>wyches can only stop infantry MAYBE
>pistols kill them in the shooting phase anyway
I'm finding it really difficult to keep my spirits high, anons. I've more or less lost my motivation to paint my dudes let alone build my other stuff.

wait... They're loyalists? Sounds like they could give khorne a hard on

Yeah its too silly for the faction with a pipe organ rocket launcher tank

Melee is pretty good this edition, for many armies it's better than shooting. Deldar is not one of these armies.

>Being best space marine transport
>Capable of carrying from the humble scout to full equipped centurions
>Even primarchs at some point
>Some we have been doing it for 10,000 years
>Nu guys primaris on the block
>suddenly they're too good to ride one of the proudest and oldest transports around
Why can't primarines rude land raiders again?

>Celestian Knights for SoB
>Celestian jousters on bikes
>equipped with shield, power lance, and bike has twin bolter
>shield gives +1 to shield of faith (5++)
>power lance is +2S -3AP D2 on charge otherwise SU AP-1 D1
>1 in 3 can take a melta lance
>can fall back and charge
>if they kill unit on charge and are no longer engaged, they can charge closest enemy within 12" and fight again

>On a 4+ it's crew manages to aim the airship at the enemy before abandoning it
>implying SoB wouldn't kamikaze it and stay aboard so it does as much damage as possible.

too fat

>Shooting remains supreme
>When everyone has minus out the ass
Orks can't even do shooting phase anymore, seriously

They do ride Land Raiders. they just float.

also did you make this one?

Yea. It's a shame. A lot of units that were bad last edition became better in 8th, but wyches are just bad all the time apparently. Meanwhile, Reavers are overcosted and largely ineffective, and hellions are also kind of meh for their points even if D2 is nice.

Alright I think I've finally worked out a 1500pt army:
Battalion Detachment (Black Templars):
HQ:
> Termie Chaplain
> The Emperor's Champion
Troops:
> Crusader Squad (10 initiates, 10 neophytes), plasma gun, power sword on sword brother
> Crusader Squad (5 initiates), plasma gun, lascannon
> Crusader Squad (5 initiates), plasma gun, lascannon
Dedicated Transport:
> Razorback, Twin Lascannon
> Razorback, Twin Lascannon
Vanguard Detachment (Black Templars):
HQ:
> Lieutenant, twin Lightning Claws
Elites:
> Apothecary
> Terminator Squad w/ Assault Cannon
> Terminator Squad w/ Assault Cannon

So the Chaplain would deep strike with the terminators, shoot some niggas. The Emperors champion, Lieutenant, Apothecary and Crusader blob run hard at a squad to chop up. Backline fire support stuff does backline fire support things.

You might get more use with an Ancient than an apothecary.

Fatter than centurions user?
Why can't normal marines ride grav land raiders again?
Sorry, some user post it some threads ago.

Orks can still melee, though. Even shoota boys get a ton of attacks and can still shoot within 12". Orks will beat a Wych cult every time, especially since we don't have the -1 to hit without a Codex besides the venom, which isn't even that great because splinter weapons suck ass against 90% of the game.

Just do a proppa psychic phase.

Should I take out the plasma gun on the crusader blob to get one?

>fatter than centurions
you slurp down GM's cum long enough from the point you're born and you'll be bigger than a mad Magnus

I would say so.

What are you talking about?

You guys ever lose a game so hard you thought about selling the army and back log? That's how I'm feeling about my CSM right now.

Jesus christ how horrific

Last Thread.

What a bitch.

>he would make us all Ultramarines in red armour

BTFO MANLETS OUT

Alright this feels like a right and proppa list now, thanks senpai

>Why can't normal marines ride grav land raiders again?
Because they're not Chad enough for the Grav Raider.

>Turret has a ld of 4
kek, put the fucking turret in charge

I guess its AI is programmed to flee the battlefield and return to the army for new assignments under most circumstances.

Some guy making up a story
Started off believable with some dude lying about some stat lines. Developed into
>the opponent allied a commisar with his tau to use execute and I didn't think he was lying