Fantasy settings where "leveling up" and growing in personal strength is a concrete part of the world

Turn that autism down from 11, liking a concept isn't equal to fetishizing.

It is when you go so far as to say such a crude concept is foundation for a "kino" setting.

I know you're just here to b8, but fuck off. Except for maybe in a polish potato farmer RPG, hard work =/= experience points in an RPG. It's not "grinding" in a tabletop game.

Experience points and leveling up in RPGs is almost always about the EXPERIENCE the characters gather over their journey, modified by the rules and objectives of the specific game. In most games, this includes defeating powerful monsters and becoming literally more powerful by mastering new combat skills, physical abilities, or magical powers, or by achieving quest or character objectives.

At no point do the characters get rewarded for 'hard work'. The most powerful characters are the ones who risked the most, went out of their comfort zone the most, learned the most, and conquered the most.

Achieving Godhood in an RPG is therefore not 'hard work'. Not in any measure, dumbshit. It's about the growing of wisdom, power, social connections, and a greater scope of both understanding and responsibility. It has nothing to do with "fetishizing" labor- It has everything to do with becoming a more confident, expansive, skilled, astute, and FANTASTIC person in a game about FANTASY.

I didnt say that,

But you are one heck of a dumb gut.

>At no point do the characters get rewarded for 'hard work'.

I'm addressing the OP who specifically said

>>All of the Gods and other greater beings are simply extremely high leveled, who got there from their own hard work

Hard work is in fact integral to the proposed setting.

You did.

>Gods are extremely high leveled, who got there from their own hard work
>Taking a turn of phrase as literal

Oh, so you're literally autistic? Cool. Please put on a trip so I can filter you, thanks.

I don't get why you're being so hostile.
If you don't want your post to be interpenetrated the wrong make make sure you don't make that the obvious interpretation.

If you don't mean something, then don't say it.

>I don't get why you're being so hostile.

You deliberately misunderstood the OP post.
You deliberately came into the thread to bait people about /pol/ shit and about how you shoudln't "fetishize hard work" despite it not being relevant to the topic.
You are deliberately being haughty because you have an issue with your ego and you have to "win the argument"

Fuck. Off.

>You deliberately misunderstood the OP post.

No I didn't. I just leveling was done through hard work, because hard work was specifically mentioned as how people accrued power.

>You deliberately came into the thread to bait people about /pol/ shit and about how you shoudln't "fetishize hard work" despite it not being relevant to the topic.

What did I say that was /pol/?

>You are deliberately being haughty because you have an issue with your ego and you have to "win the argument"

How am I being haughty? I think I've been pretty level with you.

Absolutely no one successful will agree with you. Hard work is 90% of success. There are literally millions of human beings out of our 7-billion-plus population that have access to virtually all possible resources, and still amount to nothing beyond hedonistic socialites.

Everyone who has ever amounted to anything in the history of mankind bled from their eyes to become accomplished. There's a reason the aphorism has been independently created by virtually every culture that has existed.

You're a single-step outside the cave, yelling back into it that you're vastly superior to those still stuck in it staring at shadows. Keep walking, fuccboi.

This is the hard work fetish in full swing. I never said it was irrelevant by the way, and never claimed I was superior either.
But overly simplistic worlds are not kino.

>Absolutely no one successful will agree with you.

Of fucking course not, if they didn't attribute it to hard work it'd lessen their accomplishments.

I'm not saying you can be successful without hard work (although, you absolutely can just win the lottery, genetic or otherwise...), but it's really just one of the elements. Opportunities and a good network are just as important.

I wholeheartedly agree. Hard work isn't everything - there's a strong element of luck, inherited fortune, being in the right place at the right time, and so on.

I think the best example to use is Exalted. In Exalted, there's a chance - a very, very low chance - that a heroic human being or a human being with great potential for heroics will receive a Solar Exaltation, which basically means he's won the lottery.

Obviously, the Exaltation likes to pick people like the greatest (mortal) swordsman in the world, the greatest thief, etcetra. But it also picks for more esoteric qualities, like unyielding will, impudence, and so on.

However, even if you meet all the criteria - greatest swordsman in the world - you're not guaranteed one. If there's no 'free' Exaltation, you can be as worthy as you like, you don't get the boon of power. If you fail your time of testing, it doesn't work, either. If you're just in the wrong place at the wrong time, you get jack shit. And then you die.

Hell, there's an entire subclass of Exalted - the Dragonblooded - who get their powers largely from genetics. Their chance to Exalt is based on whether daddy and mommy was Aryan enough, first and foremost, with everything else as a secondary consideration.

I'll add that imbalance is built-into the game system. Only the Solars can learn the most powerful sorceries and Martial Arts, and their powers are generally better and cheaper. If you're Dragonblooded, you get to eat shit: There's a hard limit you can never surpass.

One Dragonblooded martial arts prodigy spends his entire life trying to learn the ultimate tier of martial arts. When he finally achieves it, the book states that he'll explode and destroy most of everything he loves in the explosion.

>overly simplistic worlds are not kino.
This is literally the only thing you've said that's remotely worth discussion.
And it's practically worthless as it depends on the subjective definition of "overly".
You are not as good at this as you think you are.
Lurk more before posting.

>All of the Gods and other greater beings are simply extremely high leveled, who got there from their own hard work and good fortune
This is actually how my setting works.
The Elder Creation Gods are all "dead" and what are around now aready not a "traditional pantheon", but a mixed assortment of god-level living beings and spirits that have figured out the trick to sharing strength through worship.

>Fantasy settings where "leveling up" and growing in personal strength is a concrete part of the world
This, not so much.
I don't even use a system with "levels".

Also, not cinema, not kino.
Heh

>Hard work is bad.
Found the liberal.

>the basic premise of 99% of isekai
>kino

Get your shit taste out of here.

It's overly simplistic in that power comes from hard work, when really there should be multiple paths to power.

I never said it was bad, just that it shouldn't be fetishized.

Billions of people bust their asses working hard, yet still live mediocre at best lives. Smart work and ingenuity is the most important thing, not hard work.

>smart work
Yet another way to avoid talking about luck, network, good relations, and opportunity.
And then some user is going to go "I create my luck, my opportunity and my network!"
yeah, sure you do friendo

Nah I mean I wasnt that user you mouthbreather.

i like it. ia lso like it when alignments are tangible things and character classes are sort of mythic archetype concepts.

Earthdawn comes to mind

>kino
What does that mean?

>network, good relations
Making and getting those are the Smart work. You won't get any huge connections without starting well off already, but you can still make good ones if you're smart.
>luck and opportunity.Undeniably essential, but you still need ingenuity to make something out of it. Case in point all the lottery winners that have the luck to win the jackpot, but lack the ingenuity to make it last, never mind make it grow.

Short for "kinography." A bad /tv/ meme.

Hard work isn't the only thing you need to succeed, but it is the only thing you need to succeed that you can control. Believing that hard work is all you need to be guaranteed eventual success is inaccurate, but it does make you more likely to succeed by making you more likely to increase your chances of success by working hard. Of course, it can lead you to judge others for failures outside of their control, or give you an unhealthy attitude towards your own failures, but it is what it is.

Given all of that, I don't think it's in any way bad or shameful to fantasize about a more just world where hard work always pays off.

itt, coward who didnt work hard enough and failed at life

you may as well try to convince christcucks that religion is stupid, because that's what this shit is, religion

What the fuck happened in this thread?

People misinterpreting each other
Powerlevels are generally awful in a narrative medium like TRPGs

>fetishize
>fetishized
>fetishize

the sociology 101 students are on thanksgiving break already i see

Its not. Its Golarion and its the worst.

That user has a point though. People base their entire life on the concept of "if I work a bit harder, I'll accomplish something."

The truth is, however, is that it is not guaranteed. For example; let's take an average Veeky Forums user, and say his life goal is to join the NFL. He plays football every day, works out, eats right, and studies the history, mechanics, and strategy of the game day in and day out. He works harder than anyone else in order to accomplish his goal, but unless he's a 6'8 African American monster of a man (which your average Veeky Forums user is not) , he's not going to be chosen to play. There are things in life that hard work does not accomplish, including success. Success isn't about hard work, although it doesn't hurt, it's about developing skills, networking, finding your niche, and being lucky that there isn't a man better at the job in the same room as you. Because there is always someone better, more qualified, smarter or stronger, but you have to be the one to find the opportunity, and take it before the next person comes along.

I feel like this is an important lesson to learn. "Work smarter, not harder."

>6'8 African American monster of a man (which your average Veeky Forums user is not)

you have a weird cuck fetish user so i stopped reading there. but to comment on what iv already read, your example isnt as great as you think since white are taller on average than niggers and also stronger. whites are almost nowhere to be found in the nfl now though because non are seriously trying, football is a fuckaround sport for whites while doing other stuff, like getting an education. you dont get handed a million dollar contract for being tall and strong only, youve had to work at it for a very long time. the reverse being something like hokey. or soccer which is something that whites and blacks work towards worldwide but blacks have terrible representation considering their population

and i think most people are making is more along the lines of hard work is most important/ the most important thing that you can actually effect

you cant just dump more points into your luck stat moron. youre arguments end game is basically, "dont work at anything because you may not get it". its pretty cheesy but i think the saying "you miss 100% of the shots you dont take" applies here a little

Idealise would be a better term

That’s the setup for Mystara the setting of Blackmore, the first D&D setting.

The point, you autist, isn't about race. It's about natural ability and talent.

If you don't have the coordination, you won't be a major league slugger.

If you don't have the temperment, you won't be a Fortune 500 CEO.

If you don't have the looks, you won't be a model.

If you don't have the voice, you won't be making any platinum records.

There are things about one's self that you can't change. Luckily there is probably something you're good at, and you should work hard at that, but don't let a dream of becoming a rock star, a movie actor, or president led you astray for half your life until you realize you never had a chance to begin with.

yeah but keep in mind none (zero (0)) of those successful people got their without working for it

even models and "actresses" have to suck dick to get where they are

im just saying youre argument doesnt really go anywhere. the only thing you can do is try. youre saying not to try? only try at things you already know you will succeed at? easier said than done

also the internet says the shortest guy in the nlf right now is 5'5"

Everyone works hard. That's the joke. But not everyone is successful. You can work hard, and be successful, but it isn't exclusive. You can be the hardest working man in the world, but if you're stuck on a desert island, what good does it do you? Success does not spring forth from hard work, but being skilled enough, or lucky enough, does.

is that why so many famous and successful people have such awesome, well adjusted, successful, credit to the human race, totally not a walking embarrassment for children so often?

name 10 disgustingly successful people who had even mildly successful children. even in jew nepotism hollywood its hard to think of many examples

I feel myself saying this more and more often on Veeky Forums but this could have been a nice thread

This could've been a nice thread about mortals ascending to godhood but instead it is one autistic faggot and the idiots responding to him

Sorry someone shit up your thread OP, better luck next time

this was a meme thread from the word go user. "why is this kino?" amounts to excellent posts now?

>such awesome, well adjusted, successful, credit to the human race

>He thinks that has anything to do with success

>name 10 disgustingly successful people who had even mildly successful children

>What is every monarchy, oligarchy, or trust fund baby, ever.

We could still salvage it.

Like, the most dangerous enemy to the party would be whichever villain figures out how to grind XP.

So OP used a meme in his post this is Veeky Forums that should be a given

The premise was Levels being in some way an innate part of the world, discussion of how that would work and what it would look like and how literal it was could have followed
And Gods being extremely high leveled beings, mortals ascending to godhood by their own hand which could have been the topic of it's own 200+ post thread

Both of those topics are interesting and should've gotten some discussion going, instead the thread devolved because someone who was lucky enough not to end up a cum stain on the bead sheets at a Motel 6 decided to regale us with his half formed philosophy on the futility of putting any effort into anything because it never worked out for him and now the only thing he has left in life is shitposting on Veeky Forums and beating off to I'm gonna assume interracial cuck porn

>the futility of putting any effort into anything

No, not fetishizing hard work doesn't mean never work hard.

t. Capitalist

>fetishizing

hey i realized youre the philosophical equivalent of fatties saying calories in vs calories out doesnt work because they are fat asses and dont diet, so obviously its a conspiracy against them

Why do you think this?
I never said hard work was intrinsically bad, just that it can't be counted on for success.