Destiny lore thread 3

Fallen Houses edition
I want to know more about the lore of the fallen houses and why they all have merged together as one fighting force?

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>Implying anyone ever checks post times here

Because in part because of the War with the Fallen we, the Guardians, have essentially killed every Baron, Archon, Kell and basically decapitated the leadership of most of the named houses we've fought.

The only House that had a complete leadership was House of King and for all we know Uldren is now the Kell of this house but wether or not House of Dusk is now the front for House of Kings or the survivors of these houses decided to go fuck it and create their own house out of mutual need is something we don't know yet.

It would seem weird if Uldren took over the remaining Fallen and then just had them go mess with us by stealing and harassing us by looting shit.

He might just be letting the Fallen run around be assholes because telling a band of pirates to not practice piracy tends to get you mutinied.

Mara Sov kept the Wolves under lock until the Nine let Skolas out and he started Rallying them. Probably he's just not as good as his sister.

Threadly reminder to return to /v/

That was also one broken house with the entirety of the Reef breathing down their necks.
Uldren is one fuckboi with three weakened houses waiting for him to slip.

go back to sucking dick

Or just one house who realized what he was trying to do and is playing the long con. But then who knows what we're suppose to take away from the missions Enemey of My Enemy. At this point the Kings are central to everything because the House of Dusk is taking in a lot of their their stuff

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Veeky Forums can discuss setting's lore and the mods wont even so much as look our way because we're fucking behaved adults compared to the children on /v/.

now to be ba ck on topic, Skolas was released by The Nine? Why?

isn't this lore thread 4?

So he can stir shit up, or he actually does have the potential to become Kell of Kells

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is it? i lost count, im OP. there was the original one made by someone else, then i made the one with the solar, arc and void symbols, then... the cayde one. oh shit, it is the fourth. IM A FAGGOT AND A DUMBASS
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>Skolas was released by The Nine? Why?

Who the hell knows but I imagine it had to do with Oryx because the reason Skolas was trying to use the Vex portals to pull the House of Wolves Fleet through time was because Oryx was coming.

It's a good thing we stopped him though. Millions of Fallen would have been added to the Taken Army

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Loving every laugh! Hey guise, be sure to post in my Marble Madness lore thread!

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How would non-powered campaign be set up?
Like the Hidden or Owl Sector, or just people who live in the slums of the City?
> there's a rumor of a factory in South Africa that is generating heavy ordinance with a familiar symbol.
> a bunch of scientists from alternative timelines that are trapped in Vex sim that needs to figure out a way out

The nine seem most interested in testing guardians to prepare them for... I dunno, stuff. I assume skolas was just a dickish way of doing that.

Does anybody do anything in Destiny in a non-dickish way?

I guess the bit T but she's been taking a nap for a long time.

Not really. Then again that made me think of something. You'd have to imagine how much control over industry to Factions have on the city. When you go to the tower and listen to the idle talk you'll sometimes hear of "Dead Orbit is cutting our funding" or "New Monarchy has agreed to sponsor our project"

They probably maintain a gateway into certain industries and you have to either pledge or pay (or both) in order to do any business in their particular part of town

Going on the premise that all the Fallen houses remain distinct instead of meshing together as one big force, how would each house be fleshed out so that each one is immediately recognizable from each other?

>I guess the bit T but she's been taking a nap for a long time.
Traveler is a dick too. See: fallen, pretty much everywhere the went before earth

And that Oryx and his sisters went to the Darkness on account of the Traveler going "lol too bad if you don't want to die of supercancer at 10 years old, Get fucked."

Yeah, but they're space zombies now.
I'm not sure they're totally unbiased.

Or maybe T started becoming nicer after it failed the races of the Fundament. Giving other races freebies to prevent them from turning to the Darkness.

So seeing as how Bungie was... "creatively inspired" by Kow Yokoyama for Fallen design, how much of his stuff do you wager I can blatantly steal for my Destiny campaign before my players call me out?

> "...and that's how we mapped the entire Cabal warnet by shredding the dance floor." --unknown quote from War Mantis Cloak
> "The more we danced, the more the Cabal battlenet lit up with requests for intelligence..." --unknown quote (presumably from the same source) from War Mantis Leg Armor

Ok dances are useful, if only situationally. Is there going to be Dancing skill?

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Looking up the Trials of the Nine, they're just fucking weird. You meet them in a mysterious place that's supposedly at the "End of all Things," so possibly the end of the universe or something.

It's possible they're an absolutist philosophy between the Light and Dark, or some kind of entity that's above the struggles of both. They refer constantly to the inevitability of death and ending, as well as judgement. It's possible that they are presiding over the end of the universe, and who wins in that conflict, be it the Light or the Darkness, or maybe they themselves are choosing a side.

Apparently Xür is just a trash collector to them, and whatever powerful artifacts he sells are just so much detritus to the Nine. But that also points to a relationship to the Nine and the Strange Coins, which seem to be related to Motes of Light in appearance, so are they the opposite of Light, the Darkness, or something related to it?

Are injection rigs mini OXA machines? They're way too big to just be drop pods or comms equipment, and it doesn't seem to have any drills to literally inject anything in the ground.

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>He doesn't know about Oryx, the cute little alien girl that became a walking/flying rape machine made out of hatred, malice, and Mind Break fetish.

When Oryx created the Dreadnaught a holiday was made to commemorate that event as well. The Hive would find things to turn inside the same way Oryx turned his Throneworld inside out.

I've also heard the coins are shrunken inert Vex.

> that one creepy Warlock who constantly goes about Darkness and how to go about having sex with it.

>shrunken inert Vex

Possibly? Why would they look structurally similar to Motes of Light, then? Perhaps the Vex found a way to simulate Light? Or at least this is their attempt to.

Could it be possible that, at the end of all things and the closing of the universe, the Vex made themselves eternal by either retreating into pocket realities, these strange "coins" being the constructs which hold them, or possibly figured out how to simulate the Darkness in order to defeat entropy by becoming nothing, as the Darkness would demand? Perhaps it's even the Vex's attempt to create their own dyson spheres like the story told to us in the D1 Grimoire Card?

In any case, if these coins are related to the Vex in some way, it's all seems pretty bleak for them. How are Strange Coins looted, by the way? Random drops or are they more prevalent where the Vex are?

I’m curious about the giant killer triangles.

It's the French

Well, through all the evidence we have, it looks like they're the Darkness; either vessels which contain them or universal analogues by which the Darkness operates (similar to the Obelisk in 2001: A Space Odyssey, but EVIL).

Bungie concept art for Destiny featured all four contemporary factions we face off against as the main antagonists, but it also revealed a fifth faction only labelled "Race 5." The image depicted in it shows similar tetrahedrons along with a humanoid figure and a whole lot of creepy, swirling black. Later, there's a fully-fleshed concept piece which straight up depicts the triangle ships en masse, labelled simply "The Darkness," which makes it pretty explicit.

Even the initial Destiny 1 cutscene seems to depict the Darkness in this way. Take a look at what the Darkness tendrils seem to be composed of in that cutscene. So all evidence points to a new enemy faction wholly of its own showing up, rather than flavors and subfactions of our main antagonists, this one being the Darkness directly.

As to what they are? Well, if it's a natural counterpoint to the Traveller, it's possible that these ships are evil Travellers; the swirly humanoid represented on their initial concept art essentially being an evil Darkness Guardian. Considering the theories surrounding the Traveller, it's entirely possible that all or most of these theories is correct.

My god you're right.

Toland is finally with his waifu.

Well first he had to arrange a bootycall with ir yut and got his mind blown (literally)

Can you really blame him? That is a top tier waifu right there.

I'm guessing they'll be Taken, but a bit more fleshed out.

"Small" triangles as dropships and/or vehicle type bosses like the goliath and prime servitors.
"Evil guardians" as a leader type, instead of bumming off other races' leader types because we'll have killed pretty much everyone worth a damn by the time they arrive.
Then the standard Taken as their cannon fodder.

Possibly. Taken seem more like the Hive's flavor of Darkness. But the Hive, as the closest servants of Darkness, could be basically borrowing them from the Darkness. I mean, that's basically what's happening already.

That'd be kind of cheap to just recycle Taken for that. And we're seeing Savathûn take over the Taken as a controlling entity now. I'd expect the Darkness to bring some new elements to the field.

That said, there are fallen Guardians. We haven't really seen what they look like, other than they dress all goth-like and have an affinity for Darkness-touched weapons. Do they bear resemblance to what the Darkness might look like, because I don't think Dredgen Yor would have taken after the Taken's glowy-look and not have had that mentioned.

Their regular magic is the Hive's flavor of darkness. They got it from the worms, who got it from the darkness. I would expect it to keep some tricks to itself but Taking is still the closest thing we have to an example of pure darkness magic, so its probably what we can expect from a pure darkness race.

Taken themselves were always kind of cheap as a concept. "Oh shit we need new enemies, someone whip up a spooky texture."

Yor was just corrupt, Taken are a step beyond that where the darkness itself gives a makeover. Looks aside, their old minds are gone and Yor was way too chatty to be one. And "evil guardian" could mean a lot of things. Could be ones like Yor, or aliens like Ghaul, or Taken guardians, or just the darkness shaping itself into what its come to see as a highly effective weapon.

The Nine also have a giant pony/horse made of f stars in the final room of the Trials Of Nine for some reason. And trying to approach it causes it to state that "You're Going Too Far", or something like that, right before you die horribly. So yeah, The Nine are fucking weird.

Their whole Trials arena is a fucking piece of modern art, same with their tower. Who the hell knows about the horse?

My Name is Byf thinks it's a reference to the Horse Head Nebula, and another nebula is mentioned by the Emissary of the Nine. It could also be a reference to the Pegasus, Centaurius, or Equuleus constellations, but what location has to do with it I can't fathom; the Nine seem beyond space, so hidden localities in observable space-time seem rather quaint a notion.

>always wondered whether land tanks were deployed from fuckhuge carriers, built planetside, or doubled as spacecraft
>D2 concept art reveals fuckhuge carriers deploying land tanks
>in-game carrier is barely bigger than a land tank

This makes me angry.

>Loved reading about Halo lore
>Destiny just doesn't interest me in the slightest, even when it answers less questions
Maybe some books would help it. Why haven't there been any books?

Man I wish Bungie would do that again. Just about all the Halo books pre 343 autism were amazing.
>tfw no Destiny version of Fall of Reach, Ghosts of Onyx or Contact Harvest.

Have you looked into any of the lore channels on Youtube? Some of them are pretty top notch.

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go look up Byf and Myelin on youtube

Yeah, I've actually watched a few videos like Byf that the next poster mentioned.

Do you fellas play the gamu?

Not currently. A bit fed up with how goddamn lazy and uninspired Bungie is acting. These threads have inspired me to take the initiative and run my own game though.
Pretty sure my group and I can do a better story then D2

>Do you fellas play the gamu?
Not anymore.
If the PvP isn't good then there's nothing to retain solo players.
And the PvP isn't good. It's really dry and the meta isn't fun to play.

I'm into the lore, but people have told me it's not worth playing it.

Perhaps when 2 gets flesh on its bones I'll join in. As for now, it's Grimoire Cards and youtube lore videos and I can get what I need from it.

I think their experience with the Halo books soured them. They had fans hounding them for years to do something with the content and when they did, it just led to more complaints. No books, no problem, and surely a bunch of glorified baseball cards won't cause the same issue!

If the Nine are other Travelers, or Neutral factions, then one or some of them are in the Horsehead Nebula.

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These scannables are found on Nessus

I think the Nine are an amalgam of all or some of what they're rumored to be. At once they seem both recent and ancient. They don't seem entirely Light or Dark, but their alien weirdness and rather absolutist philosophy seems to suggest they're some manifestation or relation to the Darkness.

Well, this certainly seems to suggest they have some Vex influence. Or the Nine have influence on the Vex. I'd love to see that expanded, although I also love the mystery to everything as well.

Crossover campaign with Marathon when?

When Rasputin reveals he ate Durendal.

An interesting question for anyone who is still here. It's been nearly 400 years post collapse I believe? And in that time they've gone from living out of tents made out of animal skins to a modern day society. You'd have to wonder how many ethnic identities and cultures may have survived or been wiped out by the Collapse itself. For example. Rahool in the first game wonders if anyone knew pre-Golden Age German for example

Islam or some derivative of it seems to still be around, considering the number of women in the tower with hijabs and middle eastern decoration in parts of the city.

>german extinct
>muslims everywhere
Yeah I'm not sure the darkness is responsible for that one.

We just don't get the see the vast cultural make-up of the city. the foundery Daito has a very Japanese flavor to it considering it's head is connected to the Takanomi Rangers who were normie humans who helped people get to The Last City and then you have dudes like Devim Key who's some flavor of Euro

There has to be some kind of perform or art skill. Guardians don't just twittle their thumbs until there is something to go shoot at. Besides, whenever the Vanguard office gets re-built the new table has to be danced on to break it in.

he's not retarded when it's true

Its really not. Bungie is terrible at using it, but it still exists.

Yeah, there's like two threads of discussions and homebrew. The way the lore is delivered to us kind of flawed, but that's what makes it interesting. Makings of good story is buried under all the shit the game throws at us.

Bungie forgot storytelling. We haven't.

I kinda wonder if it was supposed was Nepalese but Bungie got them confused with Turks. The Tower aesthetics seem like some weird blend of the two.
Although Turks surviving an apocalypse checks out.

The carriers we see in game are probably more of assault landing ships. There are likely to be many more types of Cabal ship that we don't see in game. Their main thing seems to be drop podding in from short range and sending in gunships and squad sized support dropships to reinforce if the initial assault wasn't enough. They don't seem to do air superiority at all... but based on the leviathon and almighty I would be shocked if they didn't have fuck huge fleet carriers that can move the bulk of a legion by itself with all of its supporting elements.

> tfw no fighter levels where you blast through a blockade
> ywn use the light in space to create wormhole storm to annihilate Cabal star ships

They sort of do air superiority. They just do it with a hovering warship and Threshers (which do seem to double as fighters, we see them dogfighting in cutscenes) instead of dedicated bomber aircraft.

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> Completing gun harem of Savathun, Oryx, and Xivu Arath by Destiny 3

It's much further than 400 years post collapse, Saladin has been the last Iron Lord for at least 500 if the dialogue in game is correct.

400 of those 500 hundred being the Dark ages (post collapse -> Warlord Age -> beginning of City Age)

And then on top of that the city was besiged by the Fallen for 100 years. In one of the AoT cards when they discover the Fallen burning their old colors they talk about the hundred year war with the Fallen being over finally

>tfw Fallen Guardians never

How would we play having four arms? You never see fallen wield more than one gun at a time

> Four pistols
> One assault weapon and 2 pistols
> 4 fisted fury

That’d be cool but Bungie is too much of no fun allowed to do it

I meant in tabletop setting but yes bungie are lazy laxy sobs

Destiny 1 ships then yeah, I'd be all over some optional star fighter content, spam that stuff all day. Especially if the weapon load out actually reflected the ship designs. D2 ships though? POS space pintos...

That's still more of an assault role, the bombardment wouldn't likely work against incoming craft, you've got to drop right on top of them. Threshers likewise seem like close air support ships pressed into the anti air roles. Secondary roles all around as far as I can tell. But then again the cabal might also just consider massive numbers as enough of an advantage.

Well, their basic warship is durable enough to ram through the dreadnought, so they might not prioritize AA under the assumption that most small aircraft will never be carrying weapons that pose a threat. They might also consider it obsolete. Teleporting ships can do the same thing faster and harder, and their tanks (a prime target for aircraft) can hit things in orbit.

That said, I think the lack of air power in Destiny is more about gameplay than lore. All races probably should have it in some form.

> Dead Orbit Enterprise
> Going boldly where man has gone before
> replace prime directive with bullets

I love that chronicles of the Hive go from epic dark fantasy to sitcom hijinks with Crota and the Vex.

there's vague fluff about each house, ones without fluff we just extrapolate their role from the name.

>Dusk
they're fucking with the Darkness, so is the Cabal in one mission.

We're going to have non-tainted Fallen and Cabal on our side.