Kobolds

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Does it really matter? We're exterminating them either way.

I say mammal but only if that frees up little lizard people to have a new name and culture in the setting.

Mammalian. I use to think that they evolved from some baboon-like monkey just like humans evolved from some other kind of monkey or ape, and therefore they inherit the doggy features but not being doggos at all.

Reptilian flavor is simply redundant with lizardmen and draconians filling the role for scaly, tailed creatures.

Pseudo-mammalian kobolds are the best.

Some of their women are particularly cute.

This.
Also cold blooded creatures don't belong in sunless cave systems.

I'd honestly cut "kobolds" entirely for cave goblins.

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both are incorrect

Furry >>> Scaly

Kobolds were originally a subdivision of fey in mythology, where they had a number of distinct variations. One of which was the mine-kobold, which originally looked more like the modern depiction of a goblin. Early editions of AD&D used this version of kobold to inform what became the kobold in their monster manual. Very early D&D kobolds were described with dog-like snouts before they became fully reptilian in later editions. It was this dog-like snout which Japan latched onto when making their own conception of the kobold, hence dog-people.

That's technically mammalian though, just not canine.

There is plenty of room in my heart and my spank bank for both.

>Mammalian kobolds

Literally for what fucking purpose

Lizard. We already got 50 different shades of dogs and gnolls, and on average scalefags tend to be slightly less cancerous than furfags

Depends on the tone of the setting and how dark and serious kobolds themselves are relevant to the rest of it. The darker the setting, the more likely it is kobolds will be a "disposable race" and be rodent-like mammals, but if they're to be taken seriously as a civilisation rather than infestation, it makes more sense to imagine them as eusocial non-mammalian creatures who aren't "inferior", but different.
In a lighter setting, by a similar token, they will be more likely to be mammals if they are being treated seriously, because mammals are easier to relate to, whereas if they're comic relief they're more likely to be skulky reptiles.

Because the nips wanna be different with fucking dog kobolds and pig orcs

Because female kobolds with a vagina instead of a dirty cloaca

They didn't really become reptilian until 3rd edition

Going by my experiences on Veeky Forums I'd say scalies and furries are pretty much tit for tat (not that there's really any reason to not group them together). If anything dog-bolds seem to be sexualized a great deal less

I like having both desu, have kobolds split into like, diapsid and synapsid, where one is more Raptor like with feathers and one is more therapsid with fur

The fact that Kuro is big enough to carry a halfling on his shoulders bothers me more than whether he should be mammalian or reptilian.

Japanese mistranslations of D&D led to the description of Kobolds mentioning they were doglike, which then led to them basically becoming a race of dog people. Their Orcs are pig people for much the same reason.

Overdo in Nanachi

Hybrid dog lizards that lay eggs into female wombs for live births.

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>Hybrid dog lizards that oviposit eggs into female captives

Why are there ice dragons than user, clearly they must be cold blooded

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>dragons
>cold-blooded
no

Exactly my point

Didn't they bother to check what the rest of the world was doing for the past 20 years and realize they're the only faggots who use pig orc and dog kobolds?

Why pay attention to what the plebs are doing when you already have the most patrician version of fantasy creatures?

I mean they are all alone on that little island of theirs

False dichotomy. has the right idea.

>Japan
>giving a single fuck about what not-Japan is doing

Yeah, silly gaijin

This.

Dogmen and Kobolds are seperate races

And yet studio trigger is making plenty of cash being one of the only companies that actually realizes the abroad market exists.

>Pig orcs
>Not shit

They are actually rat people.

Right so mammalian
Rats are mammals

My main beef with dogbolds is that I think they work a lot better as a rival of sorts to Goblins.

You got your
>Goblin
>Hobgoblin
>Bugbear
where the Hobgoblins are the leader caste, and you got your
>Kobold
>Lizardman
>Dragonborn(Sometimes)
where each race is much more independent, but in some cases could be taken over by a Dragon as servants/a military.

In either case they're distinct races in their own right who can be coerced/bullied into working together by the stronger "caste".

I really like the 5e design. It's cool that they gave them dog noses too.

I can live with lizard kobolds, but all that dragon shit is just awful. You can't be a little rat, underdog, scummy, viet cong, monster men and also have special dragonblood powers

Why not just use humans or goblins?

Do we really need a thousand tiny races?

When in comes to monsters I'd say the more the merrier. It's when you can't have a race of humanoid without some furry or scalie wanting to play as one that you end up with a stupidly large list of playable races.
The only real reason to have multiple player races is to make a setting feel more like a fantasy game, but you don't need playable kobolds or goblins for that

kobold means goblin. so that

I prefer a compromise between these two. A certain geographic region/area will always have the same variety of enemies and monsters that each fulfill a specific niche. However, a completely separated and distant region may have its own group of races and monsters that fulfill similar niches, even if they aren't related to the other group of monsters.

Basically reasonable convergent evolution. If you want both Goblins and Kobolds, you gotta make sure they are continents apart and essentially never interact with each other

I use this as the base animal since I discovered it existed.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynodont

Not true, the very first depiction of kobolds in the AD&D monster manual has scales all over his body and tail.

The bug-eyed goblin-bolds are 2e-only, and don't appear in OD&D, Basic, or 1e.

Does this answer your question, OP?

>Literally just a human with dog ears
>Kobold
Why are japanese so uncreative?

They're furfags in denial

I remember fighting them in the Nashkel mines when I played Baldur's Gate ages ago.

I felt shitty about killing them. They are such cowardly and weak fighters that it felt like mass murder.

I prefer them as a kind of goblin that mine and work the poisonous goblin metal.

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Take. It. Back.

Kobolds are small creatures who live undeground regardless of dog or lizard, and overwhelm with sheer numbers. I don't think Dungeon Meshi's kobolds count since they are more accurately dogmen even if called kobolds. So we're left with Dogmen:Lizardmen::Kobolds:Kobolds

Ok, pig orcs are not shit.

But Dungeon Meshi *is* shit.

>Moose antler breastplate
That's actually p neat. Bone armor made from harvested carved moose antlers could be a cool theme for tribes of Goliaths.

A shame about my policy of not starting a series until it's complete so I don't get fucked like with Berserk going on hiatus for a century.

>Didn't they bother to check what the rest of the world was doing for the past 20 years
Unlike you, Japan doesn't hold on to some arbitrary outside source of the end-all-be-all of fantasy. This shit is even worse than "your elves are wrongbadfun because that's not how they worked in Tolkien". Guess what? Tolkien's elves belong in Tolkien's work and can get fucked in all other circumstances.

Dungeon Meshi Orcs aren't pigs though. Straight up they just look ogre-ish like traditional orcs. Plus, that's clearly not a pig about you dumb blind nigga

Why do you retard Porcfags try to bandwagon and claim a case that directly contradicts you? Are all you fags retarded?

I will agree though that the Orc girl is a best, like many girls in Dungeon Meshi

And you can just fuck off

>But Dungeon Meshi *is* shit.
Tell me where you live so I can beat the shit taste out of you.

>Take. It. Back.
No, pig orcs are basically the worst depiction of orcs that has ever existed, it's no wonder the only people on earth who actually stuck to the design were subhuman nips.

And here's a better pic of Orc girl. As you can clearly see, that is not a pig-snout, but rather just a bulbous upturned nose like the rest of the Orcs have.

Porcfags get fucked

Well they were killing miners as well as part of a larger warmongering conspiracy, not to mention excessive use of traps and archers, so I was pretty happy with the kobold killing arrangement

I like it when they aren't actually descended from dragons but are dragon fanboys who really, really think they are.

Goblinoid. Because they're like goblins, and anything else is D&D tier shit.

>bulbous upturned nose
like a pig's
>tusks
like a pig's
>flappy wide ears with pointed tips
like a pig's
>hairy/furry
like
a
piggu

I didn't mind that, but that races of the dragon book in 3.5 pretty much burned that bridge

3.5 ruined a lot of things.

>>bulbous upturned nose
>like a pig's
Confirmed for having never seen a damned pig
About does not equal upturned nose you dribbling retard.
t. An user who's lived on a farm

>>tusks
>like a pig's
>>flappy wide ears with pointed tips
>like a pig's
>>hairy/furry
So Elephants are pigs now?

>"nuh uh piggies don't have upturned noses!"
>nostrils are not pointing down

Got news for you, buddy.

Molebolds.

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pig orcs seem pretty silly but I would probably imagine most generic fantasy commoners would be horrified of them just as much as regular green orcs

not one, actually Kobolds are more like Gnomes, they are a kind of fairy, for some reason they have become a people Lizards in DeD, as they have a voice that sounds like a bark, the Asian think they are dogs. .. and I have no idea how blizzard did that "thing"

>An nose, a stationary piece of cartilage and skins, and a pig snout, an artilucalted rostral limb that features an external pallette, are the same thing
Looks like someone failed their mammalogy class. Let me guess, lib-arts major? I bet you've never even touched a pig snout before, because I'll tell you one thing, it sure as heck does not feel or even respond like a nose. Try again faggot.

Oooh someone got unnecessarily angry that pigs have upturned noses.

>Snout: the projecting NOSE and mouth of an animal, especially a mammal.
>"hurr durr projection about lib-arts"
>"hurr durr muh pig molestation"

Stay mad, cunt.

Dogbolds because I love Suikoden

>mammalogy

Want to know how you failed in your attempt to pretend that you're smart?

>not fapbait
Why not?

Lizard. I play up the dragon ancestry angle from a rp perspective. Every Kobold is just crazy about dragons and it is a main part of their society. It doesn't matter whether or not it is true, that is just how they act

on further observation I'm gonna say that the Dungeon Meshi orcs are boar orcs + western orcs, given the furriness, ear structure, tusk placement, and lack of pignose

My Kobolds are reptilian because I like playing up the dragon angle. I also use Kobolds and Goblins to replace Gnomes and Halflings.

No, I'm upset that your an uneducated fuckwit who doesn't know the difference between a snout and a nose. Please kill yourself so you don't corrupted the rest of the gene pool with your willful ignorance and disdain for science

The difference is that a SNOUT requires that it be projected forward on a rostrum, something that the Dungeon Meshi Orcs don't possess. It even says in the definition you quoted that it must be projected forth from the body in a form of muzzle, a common word for rostrum. No projected rostrum, combined with the lack of an actual cylindrical and flat shape that actual pig snouts have means that the Dungeon Meshi Orcs do not possess snouts, and any that is perceived is purely from you projecting your weeb Suiphilia

No, but here is how you failed in your attempt to be witty
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammalogy
Any other zoological fields you wanna say don't exist, like Ornithology or Ichthyology?

God, I hate all you ignorant anti-intellectual mouth breathers. If your going to gap to an animal, at least do your job and actually research the damned things

This I can actually agree with. They aren't Porcs, but actually an acceptable middle ground between cancerous Porch and traditional Orc.

Good luck getting the Porcfags to agree with you though. Worse than furfags those assmongers are

WTF? I want to adopt a pig now!