Me and a few friends have been thinking of getting into this but I'm not sure on how to get started, as there seems to be loads of different books.
Is The Hobbit SBG the same game system as the previous LOTR SBG and does it have support for using LOTR units?
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Yes it is the same system and yes it does. A shame so many of the old figs are not available any more. And that so few people play the game today. I still several armires around. Still play the game from time to time with friends.
Some really nice models those, but
>plate in Lord of the Rings
This triggers the internal LotR autist
Yo, you are blowing my mind. I just spent the last hour looking up all kinds of shit on this and I can't believe I never picked on on this.
>plate in Lord of the Rings
Meh. Plate armor was in the movies, and GW has to match the movie visuals, regardless of what Tolkein wrote. For once, GW isn't the party to blame for something; they don't get a choice.
Also, the SBG is a really decent skirmish game, but honestly, I really preferred the War of the Ring system for LOTR-universe stuff. I'm sorry. I actually use the SBG game for historical skirmishes; Anglo-Danes vs Irish, and so forth. Excise the magic system, and it works really, really well.
I agree with this entirely.
Also, there is some tiny ambiguity in regards to the existence plate armor in LotR, when it comes to the Knights of Dol Amroth, *specifically*.
>"And last and proudest, Imrahil, Prince of Dol Amroth, kinsman of the Lord, with gilded banners bearing his token of the Ship and the Silver Swan, and a company of knights in full harness riding grey horses."
>full harness
Harness can refer either to plate armor (which is by far the more commonly-used version), or can be used as a catch-all term for "fully armored." Additionally, we do see a plate component called out specifically in the text:
>"Men of Rohan!" he cried. "Are there no leeches among you? She is hurt, to the death maybe, but I deem that she yet lives. And he held the bright-burnished vambrace that was upon his arm before her cold lips, and behold! a little mist was laid on it hardly to be seen."
>vambrace
The combination of the earlier reference to harness, *and* the explicit call-out of a vambrace, does lend some credence to the idea of the Knights of Dol Amroth - and them alone - wearing plate armor. EVERY other armor description in the books save one (the dead Southron Sam see, clad in "overlapping plates"; ie, almost certainly lamellor) is of mail.
Another counterpoint is that the House of Eorl was supposed to have some of the finest equipment in Gondor, and THEY wore mail. Also, the Byzantines were a sometime-source of inspiration for Gondor, and they did in history wear free-floating vambraces over their mail, so mail with a vambrace is not *completely* anachronistic.
So there's some ambiguity, on this one unit alone. Everyone else wore mail, straight-up. Plate armor is a TON easier to make and wear for film, though; I don't begrudge WETA switching most armor over to plate from a purely practical standpoint. This is one thing I don't think Tolkien would have minded THAT much.
>plus that choice brought us pic related; best-looking armor in the films
WotR was such a fun system.
I commend you for your effort.
Sincerely, a guy who has read the trilogy, the hobbit, the Children of Hurin, The Silmarillion and the Unfinished Tales.
The sheer number of units and army lists was staggering. A real shame they hadn't developed the system earlier.
And from a historical stand point vambraces and other smaller pieces of plate were developed first because they couldn't roll large enough pieces of steel/iron to make big single pieces. Also it's why you see early helmets being sheets of steel banded together e.g. spangenhelm