In Defense of Elves

I think all in all an immortal society would be ruled more by consensus, with members of the society mostly just do their shit as long as everyone is okay with it, depending on the size of the population. As they are immortal then they would more likely be drift apart of stay together depending on how they react to new ideas.

There is also a point where immortals might feel alienated with a world of where everything dies relatively quick and vice versa.

>not just playing TOR
Enjoy your uncool elves whilst I lounge with my Noldor niggas

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>So if we are going to have elves, what would work?
alfar

Maeryll > Cinder

That sure is one sloppy titty.

Maeryll is gay though.

Well maybe if they would stop flopping their tanned, sweatermeat tits onto the group's Loot Table.......

Please give me tl;dr so I can determine how off-topic this thread is.

Exactly

>you will never get to experience the heaven that is small showerroom full of insatiable girls

I think OD&D elves got it best. They live in small societies of atmost 200 with allegiance to a Lord, Lady, Duke, or Duchess. Their societies are very chaotic, in an anarchist commune sort of way rather than a Warhammer Chaos sort of way. Their smaller numbers allow for society to be more manageable, each citizen being militarily trained. The Grey Elves are basically the Fairies of old, their mechanics are now more closely attributed to today's High Elves.

Elves don't work from a storytelling perspective in fantasy because they aren't flawed compared to other races.

>elves aren't flawed
Well thanks, saved me some time.

Like most standard D&D/fantasy races (other than dwarves which were bog-standard) I think the Eberron setting did them very well.

Also, I need more of OP's big floppy tittied sex-elves.

Sounds like a severe lack of imagination.

>Cinder

>implying Fëanor did anything wrong

>First off, ditch the term "elf" completely unless you are intentionally making a direct reference to real-world mythology and it specifically needs the terms elves and dwarves
I can agree with this for a number of fantasy races. There is a lot of baggage associated with them thanks to years of accumulated iterations, depictions, and presentations of all these creations. Sometimes it's something as simple as giving them a new name and new features so that to immediately contradict the common interpretations or understandings of whatever construct you are dealing with.

He's flawed though, since he couldn't finish the job.

It updates weekly or something, no?

Nah it's pretty irregular. A month between updates one time, then two weeks another time. Artist has another comic running too, so that stands to reason. Also pretty sure he does other art work professionally. The fact that he's never bothered to explain any of his plot shit is amazing; it feels like this game just being completely improved for a group that doesn't bother to ask questions about tax policies and where names come from, but instead just cares about kicking ass and traveling about being murderhobos with an overarching plot that just sounds big and important because it involves everyone in the world.

what's the source? i tried reverse image search but got a bunch of garbage.

>First off, ditch the term "elf" completely unless you are intentionally making a direct reference to real-world mythology and it specifically needs the terms elves and dwarves.
no

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This is one of those arguments where its truthfulness is inversely proportional to the frequency with which it is made. And it is made a lot.

Anyway, recently I've been ripping of Lorwyn/Shadowmoor's elves for my games, with the same duality present but for different geographical attachments rather than a spoopy effect that makes them switch personalities.

>That is some good drawn pornography right there.
With Blooming Faeries gone foom and inCase on a valium vacation, I'm really hoping a third shoe doesn't drop.

>For the society, could we delve into what a magical or foreign society with immortal beings would look like?
>Over time, what would their politics devolve into, how is their society shaped over time?
>Should an immortal being always have the right to rule?
Stop.
This kind of "fantasy deconstruction" approach is nearly as old and generic and playing elves straight anyway. If you actually want to think about this kind of stuff, you should be looking into how they fit into building an interesting setting. "What would really happen?" is a pointless masturbation exercise when it comes to fantasy.

Given how inheritance laws work, A human and elf marriage would be illegal for a very good reason.
Everyone with an estate is expected to die so that they pass on their wealth to the next generation.
If you have a person who lives for over a thousand years (an elf) having property rights in lands ruled by people who live, on average, 60 to 80 years (humans), even when accounting for the 130-year lifespan of half elves, you'll have a situation in which as many as FIFTEEN generations could pass before the elf finally dies.
In the meantime, the elf will be the first inheritor of all those generations of accumulated familial wealth, leaving to them having shocking amounts of wealth that is simply not distributed to any descendants properly unless they are benevolent to do so by their own free will.

>implying elves live in human lands or care about human properties
>implying they don't just take their lovers away to the fair lands where everything is better anyway

Plenty of settings have elves living in human lands.

>First off, ditch the term "elf" completely
Because not Elves aren't going to get old fast.

It's not the names thats the problem, and reskining elves doesn't make the Elf problem go away.
It's that they're humans, but better.
They have no real fault, but they're still rare enough to be a special snowflake.
Tolken Elves were flawed, Legolas was the exception not the rule, but no one seems to understand that.

We love people for their qualities, and love them for their faults.

And no, having a retarded understanding about the passage of time is not a fault, its just a lazy shoehorned quirk.

Why would a setting with elves have the same inheritance laws as the real world?

How else would you do inheritance laws?

>It's that they're humans, but better.
Humans in fantasy settings are "humans, but better".

And Humans do a better job of being humans, but better at being humans than elves who can't even human better than a human

Good old fashioned primogeniture and women not being allowed to own property. Grandma Knife-ear doesn't inherit squat.

>women not being allowed to own property
How does that address the problem at all?

It solves the problem because it's usually male adventurers coming back with elf waifus.

Elves are flawed as fuck in almost every setting they show up in, though. Not to mention that HFYfags tend to conflate the hell out of them as well. See for example Imperialfags constantly shitting on Eldar for spawning Slaanesh even though humanity created the OTHER three Chaos Gods.

That's because the other three aren't literally just giant faggots.

>In Defense of Elves
no.

Elves that fuck humans are all pedophiles.

>It's that they're humans, but better
- 2 CON.

>implying Khorne's rage isn't just him over compensating for how deep in the closet he is
I only regret that my workplace doesn't have any smug anime girls I can put here.

If you're basing a character's flaws on their race, you are a hack.

It's okay if they are adults by the standards of their species.

>all of those movies are legal IN THE COUNTRIES WHERE THEY WERE MADE

That would mean that elves are literal retards if a 200 years old elf has the same mental capacity and maturity as a 20 years old human.

>all actresses are above 18 years of age, or above 21 years of age where required by law

>That would mean that elves are literal retards
The shock, the horror

A friend of mine is a huge aspie about internal consistency, makes him a great co-DM but a pain of a player. How we did this is, humans are the way they are because their racial deities are dead or hiding. For dwarves, elves and everyone else, their racial deities are very involved in their affairs, and their cultures all have heavy religious bents. For an elf, starting with conception, every moment of their life is a ritual service to the Seldarine, every act has transcendent meaning, every path taken so thoroughly prescribed it would look like a theatre play to outsiders. But once an elf turns 99, they have an option to declare themselves dead. A 'dead' elf is stripped of their titles and office, all their property passes to their descendants, but they are also freed from all debts and social obligations. Some immediately find a cliff to jump off, most devote themselves to hobbies and debauchery, and yet some feel an intense need to get the fuck away from everything and try to make up for a lifetime of regimented drudgery. So, barring war, most elves any outsider will ever see are not the privileged experts, but random retirees out on permanent vacation with whatever they could practically fit in a backpack.

> mentions Aldmeri
> elves don't have any flaws
Aldmeri got fucked over plenty of times, and other elves in TES have enough problems to deem them equal to humans and beast races.
Altmer: degenerates that praise the might of their ancestor's empires, get destroyed every time by Lorkhan and his pets. And even when Thalmor wins, they get destroyed during Landfall (I know it's not canon, but whatever)
Bosmer; The Green Pact. Don't eat your vegetables, kids, but do eat your enemies. Also there's subrace in UESRPG that has alright buffs and penalties
Dunmer: drug addicts, murdurers, daedra worshipers, the list goes on.
Dwemer: autistic robots of this universe
Falmer: do you really want to play as Gollum? Or to be one of the few sane members of your race?

>Does living for too long make you lose pleasure in life, how do you cope with that?

You might enjoy "The Iron Dragon's Daughter", which prominently features some seriously nasty dickhead elves who are motivated primarily by this.

>That would mean that elves are literal retards if a 200 years old elf has the same mental capacity and maturity as a 20 years old human.

Well... yeah. I thought this was a given for most settings.

Ah Rupert Evertons "I Roved Out" comic.
One of the few pornographic comics out there that I genuinly read for the plot!

Please stay on topic, OP clearly never wanted this thread to be about porn.

user the plot is shit. Even Rock Cocks is more interesting. Alfie is the only good plot in porn webcomics.

Alfie has a dumb plot, rebellious daughter sucks. Her mother is more interesting than she'll ever be.

The best plot in porn is Grandma's Kitten.

You can follow the plot? I've tried like 3 times to read that shit and found it incoherent, like a bad machine translation.

As far as I can tell the tiddy elf is all tangled up in something her brother did and the lesbo elf is cursed in a way that impels monsters to seek her.

>Alfie has a dumb plot
It's plot is simple not dumb.

No it means they're legally considered adults after the age of 100 and having taken some sort of test/trial to prove their adulthood.

It's fucking stupid to assume elves develop slower. They just have a longer lifespan.

It's fucking stupid to assume they don't develop slower, given the mechanics of the game. If they learn at the same rate as humans and the average elvish adventurer is over 100 then they should start at like level 10, not level 1. How do you spend 90 years learning a craft and be on the same level of competence as someone who started learning 10 years ago?

Because they only spent ten years learning that craft, you willful idiot?

>given the mechanics of the game

This was once expressed by being able to multiclass freely. Since now everyone can, that can't be the case anymore and now their age is just grandfathered in. It explicitly says elves develop at the same rate as humans.

I tend to explain it that an elf is chaotic at heart and suffers ennui easily. They will spend some years at a time doing something, get bored, and start doing something else.

They probably spent most of that time learning some other, less adventuring-useful art, like farming or wood-carving or something.

Maybe because they spend these hundred years not being adventurers? If they spend these hundreds years being bakers y´they won't have time to start as level 10 wizards. To be fiar, most biographies I've come across don't make it seem like they waste any time. Drizzt for instance started being a ranger at 20-something, after also learning some magic, putting the concept of starting age to shame.

So every elven PC is obligated to be pre-defined as some lazy ass NEET late-bloomer who sat on their ass for 80 years before doing anything worthwhile?

Elves aren't bad as long as they're unique. I don't like most elves in fantasy, but there's a huge exception to this; the Dunmer. They have an actual culture, unique Religions, and they aren't Mary Sues. They fuck up a lot and are xenophobic to the extreme. They murder each other, legally, for political reasons. They practice, or at least used to practice, widespread slavery. The Telvanni murder those above them to gain ranks. Other cultures see them as almost barbaric or evil. Hell, even the Aldmeri Dominion and the Thalmor hate them and chose to work with Khajiits and Bosmer instead.

Basically, make your elves unique with actual flaws, rather than just Mary Sues that are magic and immortal.

Nobody is forcing you to play a 100 years old elf. I never do that. They start at level 1 around 20 years old. And nobody is stopping me.

Drow start training and indoctrinating their kids early. Drow nobles even moreso, since every member of the family is a high value target in house conflicts.

How is it so hard for you to understand that they probably spent 90 years doing a plethora of other inane things before deciding to take up adventuring in the last decade?

I bet you're a fag that doesn't like loli elves

I love loli elves and I think that's an asinine character trait to force on all elven PCs, that they're lazy and indecisive.

Considering people are always complaining about elves just being "better" humans... I don't see the problem. Here is one area where elves actually do worse, and for once it's not tied to grimderp arrogance and xenophobia.

But they don't actually do worse in the setting. It's something that only applies to PCs to justify their bizarre incompetence. Elven cultures and societies are still superior.

Right. They're flawed, but not so flawed that it completely outweighs their strengths. In other words, they're still COMPETENT. What's so bad about that?

Loli elves are not conducive to species survival. Now, if your elves develop as humans do, but are basically shithead young adults for like 80 years, that's something else.

If they've spent nearly a hundred years as a baker, why can't they get their Profession (Baker) higher than 4 at chargen? Where are their levels in Expert?

Yeah, I was talking more about the lazy and indecisive part than the loli part. Although either works.

Lazy, indecisive, chaotic, horny, rebellious, shitheads. For 80 years.

Elf population has increased by 56% since loli elves became a thing. Something went right, whether it was the instinct to protect, the round bellies, or the missionary sex under the covers with the lights off for the sole purpose of procreation is up to you.

Unless you mean human species survival. In which case who cares fag.

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This thread is about to go to shit, but at least I have an excuse to post Elf.

Elf is not a loli. Never was, never will be.

>Elf population has increased by 56% since loli elves became a thing

If your young are children physically for 100 years. They are weak to predators for too long. Statistically, your kind would be wiped out by more aggressive and faster developing and breeding species.

>If your young are children physically for 100 years
What setting?

>the instinct to protect, the round bellies,

>What setting?

Your implied loli elf setting.

You don't understand, user. The people are breeding the loli elves.

Oh my goodness

I never implied anything.

>You don't understand, user. The people are breeding the loli elves.

Fuck of to >>/h/ or >>/d/

I like to imagine the elven version of a controlling parent is something along the lines of Gigi Edgley's mom.
>Mooom, I just wanna study and go to bed early
>Nonsense dear, we have to dance with the fairies tonight!
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