/btg/ BattleTech General

Just use a Marauder lol, it's a 75 ton with perfect ballistic hardpoints.

>what is a warhammer

70 tons.

How about we talk forgotten mooks /btg/?

>Remember that time the Davions sent all their good shit to the Clan front so the marches had to make knockoff panthers out of spare parts?
And still better than the 10KA's and CA's it was facing on the field

Oh hey, it's Kopaka with gun arms.

Stats-wise in cases I would use that. Appearance wise, it's Mad Max Beyond Thunderstupid.

The extendable rocket punch wrists are genius. Fix the ankles and the absurd upper arms and I'd be in love. It's just the right amount of ugly to be lucky, like the Vulcan.

Now the Vulcan reminds me of that gangly high school girl that had a crush on you back in the day, and when you met up with her years later and she was still an awkward stick, you'd toss one in her just because she's nice. The Sentry looks like the 1970s exploded all over the 1950s with some post apocalyptic marauders screaming, "It's da fueeeel!!!"

I can't pick up chick in that thing that don't already have mohawks.

>The extendable rocket punch wrists are genius.

Does the little spinny fing on the chest glow orange with nuclear fire, too?

>Hold on, let me just whip out my BattleMech-scale jeweler's loupe...

Battlemech-scale jeweler's loupe that shoots fire. Makes it easier to pick out the dudes hiding so you can incinerate them.

They took an Enforcer head and just jammed a flamer in there. Pretty fucking great.

It's the intake for the engine sinks, so yeah

I'm thinking it's a heavy redesign of the Crossbow, Alt Config B to throw people off. Also, the Crossbow was never winning any beauty contests, so they probably went and gave it some significant mods.
That's my two cents, but it could well be possible that it's a complete gutting and rethinking of the Crusader in order to dance around Harmony Gold and also to make up for the leg-mounted SRM6es. We know there are more missiles below that, but we don't know how many are on the following rack.

Third possibility, yeah, another Piggy custom design, but I really hope not.

That mech, I had not thought about in a long time, but didn't it have spikes to conceal the SRM launchers? I mean, I guess they're no more obligated to keep the spikes than they are to stick to canon mech designs, but the point is made.

Working on a unified Chaos Campaign rule set for campaign play. Narrative (Jihad from Total Chaos) and PvP (Wars of Reaving because clanners gonna clan). I know I could just use the newest, Campaign Operations, but I'm going through the various iterations of them, picking what I like, sometimes adding stuff - like simple Upkeep and incorporating Maintenance Failure and Training Failure from the "full" ruleset while still keeping it easy with Support Points and less rolling. Anyone interested in checking that out?

The Technology Rating Modifier for Chaos Campaings - you guys use it or ignore it?

Noticeable differences between editions example: improving Mechwarrior skill in Chaos Campaing is 10 SP while in CO its 200 SP, where both editions calculate SP points the same way. Talk about "slight changes"...

>improving Mechwarrior skill in Chaos Campaing is 10 SP while in CO its 200 SP

There's a 97% change CGL fucked it up, but let's play devils advocate. Is CC supposed to be time compressed and CO is for a longer game?

>Compressed vs. longer game
No idea if they did this kind of difference. Also, for personnel not participating in track, the cost is x2 in CC and x3 CO (which I prefer).

Also, 97% chance they fucked it up, I agree, but which one is fucked up and which one is "as intended"?

You seem upset, maybe this will help.

Does it hurt to take a dump with that gauss rifle up your ass?

So I tried out that four LGR Thunder Hawk and it's actually pretty good.

How so?

>Musume Dragon.
user, she's a Hunchie. It even says AC20 on the paddle.

It's kinda sad those designs ended up getting forgotten. They're pretty neat and quite unique. Shame they never got to star in anything, not even a measly OVA. Definitely deserved more attention than that.

Don't worry, user. Some of them pretty obviously directly influenced early Armored Core art.

Will the Lyran state ever recover Tamar and its other lost worlds?

The robots in Armored Core didn't end up looking like that at all, though. Not a bad thing by any means, Armored Core has bitching designs.

Still, it was a phase for the designers. Battletech and AC are not the only ones to get these sort of designs. Omega Boost did as well, to give an example.

I dunno, user, the Japtech Commando looks pretty much inline with AC.
Spider too.

Hopefully not. I'm awaiting the inevitable fall of the white powers of the Inner Sphere - Steiner and Davion - before the might of the Chinese people of the CapCon. It will be a far better Inner Sphere without white people in it.

There's a bit of a resemblance but it's really minimal.

I meant the art, not the models.

>Anyone interested in checking that out?
I'm always interested that kind of thing. I'm not likely to have useful feedback, though, on account of having never used CC or CO.

Nah. Aside from the generic 90s pose, there's really almost no resemblance.

The spider in doesn't look like anything in AC 1, but it does fit in line with the NEXTs in AC 4. There's some strong elements shared between the Spider and White Glint, for example.

It shouldn't be a surprise though, the Japanese Battletech designs were done by Studio Nue(who Kawamori works for) and the Armored Core designs (or at least some of them) are done by him as well.

No one in the Inner Sphere is white. It's a thousand years from now. They're all ambiguously brown 56% types larping as Scots and Germans and such.

Works kind of like SRMs, if I had to say. Less absolute damage as three regular GRs, but longer range and improved odds of hitting.

I wouldn't make it a regular line mech, maybe something include one per battalion or something as a specialised sniper, but yeah I like it.

Yes.

All Lyran worlds will be redeemed from the Clannische occupiers.

>NEXTs in AC 4

NEXTs look absolutely nothing like the JapBT machines. Likewise, the only real element worth mentioning shared between White Glint and Spider are the thigh boosters.

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Stat this PAL

I'm not your PAL, buddy.

I'm not your buddy, trothkin

Are Lyran infantry the best trained of the Successor States?

Absolutely. They die by the bunches the most professionally of any infantry you could ever see.

>I'm

I’m pretty sure that Capellan infantry are the best, because Xin Sheng and yes CC troops includes the ebon magistrates. Whoever is number one, I’d still put the ninja suicide commandos of DEST ahead of the Lyran troopers. I can hear you interject, but DEST is special forces and I will rebut you with they are the army of the Internal Security Force ie the secret police of the biggest, most restrictive and repressive police state in the Sphere. The Lyrans have an economy that affords them large numbers of mechs, vehicles, and BA, they don’t need much leg infantry, while the only thing the Dragon has in abundance is warm bodies and malicious cruelty. Picking up a gun and fighting for the Coordinator is likely the only opportunity for most citizens to improve their lot in life given the martial focus of Combine society, thus the DCMS has always been the 2nd largest military in the IS. That means a crap ton of cheap infantry (filling in for the lack of mechs/vees) and a huge surveillance/security force to mind them.

Garm's definitely one. Uh.. what else? Watchman. Daimyo. Battle Hawk? I mean there are a lot man. Some are actually pretty good, but it's pretty obvious their intended role. Especially any late-era 5/8 Lights and 4/6 40 and 45 tonners.

Eh the Wehrmacht is probably trained to a similar standard as most house militaries. They did however in the 39-to 45 have a lot of combat experience. Of course there are several periods in Btech where house militaries would have periods of prolonged combat. Say the fedcom civil war and the jihad off the top of my head. Also I imagine if there are any merc foces that actually use their infantry in direct combat roles they would have more experience. Also all house militaries have formations that where trained to a higher standard, for example the Death Commandos.

Tldr Wehraboos rate at house regular levels of skill.

I won't lie the snake "alexi" is a total badass. I have had nothing but great luck with it.

so what is the point of fission engines? they're the same availability/tech levels as, but more expensive and fucking heavier than just a standard fusion engine. a standard fusion comes with more free heatsinks. a standard fusion doesn't kill your pilots when damaged and has an easier time getting fuel.

I see the point of ICE's and Fuel Cells as they're cheaper and more available, but fission? i don't know why it exists

MI6 operators shat all over the DEST troopers in the Twilight of the Clans trilogy. They also have better gear.

DEST gets more page time but I'd put the Rabid Foxes ahead of them by some distance.

To justify Stackpoling, I guess?

I would put DEST at better on an individual basis, if only because their stealth armor is better armored in general

I love the Snake in general. It's so ragingly mediocre against anything but vees that I can't help but love it. It makes a great sidekick to the Vindicator too. Wish the mini looked better. And yeah, the Alexi is great; all that sniper spam and the dissipation to back it up. And it can still sandpaper a muthafucka.

>comparing special forces to regular infantry
lol?

I have never paired with a vindi, thank you user I shall try that tonight.

>thus the DCMS has always been the 2nd largest military in the IS
I think the Lyrans usually have more.

MI6 and Loki are far better than DEST. DEST are basically glorified stormtroopers.

Why did the whose regular infantry unit is the best trained argument devolve into who has the best spec ops forces?

Well it's much better at brawling than the Vindi and it can also punch holes at similar range and critseek at those ranges too. I think if you like the Vindi you'll like the pairing.

my action figures are better than your action figures

Because spec ops are the only infantry which actually matter. Just like IRL.

Is the light source in this pic above and behind the pillager?

that's a tdf pic, not marians

Infiltrator II is way better than Kage, then there's Grenadiers to consider.

The general idea behind DEST as the best infantry is that special forces troops are better trained than line troops and that unlike other spec ops organizations (EM, MIIO, LOKI) the Draconis Elite Strike Teams are an army in themselves because of their size and role. I wouldn’t put DEST at the top of the special forces skill heap, but none of those outfits have numbers comparable to line troops. The DCMS is only good at killing inconsequential &/or innocent people and that is certainly true for DEST. If they were actually effective assassins, then the Combine might threaten all the good guys on their borders. The DCMS=2nd biggest makes them sound imposing while bulking their TO with infantry keeps them harmless. Arguing that there aren’t that many DEST is inconsistent with lore, because the Dracs are evil and DEST are the evilest Dracs so fewer DEST would make the Dracs less evil, an obvious impossibility.

tl;dr DEST is army sized and better at machine-gunning civies/children than dilettante Nazis

Shockwave. It's a solid trooper-esque mech that is powerful and fun but due to its era no one knows about it. Love it but it basically has been forgotten by BattleTech at large.

"Is that an ER medium laser, or are you happy to see me?"

>DEST is army sized
When exactly? It's been purged repeatedly and even when it wasn't nothing I can find indicates a big size.

So many 'Mechs suffer this fate. The only ones that usually get remembered by everyone are the outliers; the good and the bad. The exceptions to this are the classics, of course.

They do embed them in units up to company size in line regiments.

I just chalk it up to the writers not really having a clear idea as to whether or not they're "just" special forces infantry or super duper elite ultimate crosstrained types (who still get punked by the Death Commandos, because of course they do) since they've been both over the years.

I mean, if you can come up with a reason that almost a regiment of elite-level MechWarriors are footslogging it with Blazers in support of a DCMS infantry command and are subordinate to the infantry commander, I'm all ears.

>almost a regiment of elite-level MechWarriors are footslogging it with Blazers
What I've seen has them working in teams of about a dozen. Where you getting the regiment of them? Or even a company?

FM: DC has them scattered about in detatchments as part of the infantry component of their line unit's ARC organisation.

This doesn't match up very well with Twilight of the Clans, Guide to Covert Ops, or much of anything else.

When I say regiment, I mean over 100 of them in some of those detachments, not that there's an infantry regiment of DEST. I could have been clearer.

DEST is the main arm of the ISF, the weeaboo Gestapo of the Combine. There have to be a lot of DEST because you cannot have a brutal police state across hundreds of worlds without a lot of police in addition to the operatives both openly and covertly serving the military. DEST has a very broad set of responsibilities and arguably fulfills their quota for dastardly doings such that the whole Combine fears muted tread of their astronaut tabi there must be a vast host of DEST ninjas. As to the Kokuryu-kai purges, DEST are mooks and mooks are a most renewable resource.

>tfw lost the solid snake edit

reminder that SAFE has three regiments of mechs or something

lol it did until that was forgotten for that shitty "Atreus coup" plot

>CGL
>factchecking

I don't have that but I do have this.

In Decision at Thunder Rift, Duke Ricol brought two companies worth to Trellwan in lieu of any other non-mech forces. Much like mentioned, his raiders aren’t portrayed as mech warriors just sneaky stormtroopers. I wouldn’t consider most DEST troops as being fully cross-trained mech pilots with high level skills, just spooky Uber-samurai.

I miss the old feel of Decision at Thunder rift. thats how BT should have been written, mechs are terrifying sci-fi deathgods unless you're a hyper badass, combat is nasty and messy as hell, and there was no hint of STACKPOL'ing yet.

Grayson was ten times the sue Victor ever was. Nostalgia is a hell of a thing.

So the PURPLE BURDS have mech-sized black pajamas too. All those Regulars’ regiments that disappeared before the Battle of Luthien, DEST ninjas one and all. How else could they vanish without a trace?

That he was. But he was my first Sue, set glasses to maximum.

Christ, you're a shit human being.

They're obviously all part of the army of RoboKerensky, the escaped automaton with a familiar face from Regulan Disneyland.

Is there a way to make the border between the pillys legs and the smoke not look so glaring? I am trying to butcher things in gimp and this was the first attempt.

What mech is in that pic?

Blur that shit. Which is something you need to do anyway because border aside it's jsut too sharp in comparison to everything else.

The basis of the Privateer from the fan TRO 3063

It's a MekTek design. The Privateer, iirc. A Periphery mech.

Have a record sheet? Seems cool, kinda like the design. Not sure what it carries though.

Thanks user that was helpful.