/STG/ - Star Trek General

>*dies in a fireball*

Did somebody say best ship?

Why does it have a goiter?

It's the USS George Lucas.

Behold my beauty!

Rockin' that sweet Mirror Universe paint job.
For the Empire!

But what a fireball it was!

Aww yiss!

I went all in with the Terran Empire theme

I just couldn't imagine myself in those sleeveless shirts, so i made up some other sorta mirror uniform set.

It cost a fortune too. I've got all the C-store mirror ones, as well as the lobi ones.

>Not I.S.S

I wish we could name non-imperial ships with I.S.S.

My bad, I assumed it was one of the mirror verse lock box ships

T6 Fleet Advanced Escort.

>Fleet Ass cruiser
It does look like ass.

Indeed and can you imagine that that skin was once upon a time sold as a vanity item in ingame store?

If we wanted a fat ship we would go with the superior 23c T H I C C ship.

Please, tell me about your varied and diverse point defence system

Is there still a way to get that?

/thread

I won't argue with that.

youtube.com/watch?v=5JNgC8tc-x8
Reminder that is was the ending theme for enterprise and somehow they decided to go with "FAITUFDEHURT" for the intro.

I was going to post this, but the Nova is cozy af

As much as I fucking abhor the look of the Yeager, I do quite like the idea of ships being assembled from whiter components are to hand.

The Elkins isn't quite as bad-doesn't hurt that they used an F-14 fuselage for the secondary hull(s)...

>whiter
Dat's raycis Pinkskin.

*Whatever. My own damn fault for not checking.

Huh, never knew it had two secondary hulls. Still, a damn sight cleaner than the Yeager or most of the other DS9 kitbashes.

Nova a cute. CUTE!

I could really get behind the Yeager if the Peregrine greebles were removed, and it was given a proper Starfleet hull material.

Today on the Orville we're apparently taking one of the best Voyager episodes ("Blink of an Eye") and one of the best Next Generation episodes ("Who Watches the Watchers") and mashing them together.

So far it's pretty good.

>one of the best Next Generation episodes ("Who Watches the Watchers")
Ok, Who Watches the Watchers is alright, but it's hardly one of the best TNG episodes. Not even in my top ten.

Still, good to know that the Orville is still doing well. That brings a smile to my jaded cynical bitter heart.

Let's assume a particular officer on your ship is an overt Starfleet Intelligence agent. What color and style of uniform would they use?

Eh, might be a personal taste thing, but I love it and it ranks in my top 10.

Identical to the standard, but the division color is back.

From DS9, when Sloan posed as a member of Starfleet Intelligence, we see that they tend to wear command colonies, at least when they’re in the open.

A fine choice. I don't personally rank it that high but it is definitely a fine fine episode. Like I said, it's a good thing that the Orville is going that route.

SI officers have other specialties and jobs on the ship, so whatever role they fill would determine their uniform type. I'd suspect that they'd mostly be in either Command (as classical "officers" in the ship's command structure) or Sciences (as ship's scientific experts in whatever field they happen to excel in).

Starfleet Intelligence isn't really an exclusive job. It seems to be a thing that you do alongside your normal day-to-day operations. Kinda like how spies tend to have a cover job, except that SI officers aren't really spies. Same principle though.

What era of Starfleet? TNG and later? Command Red would be their color. TOS has the same color scheme, IE Redshirts, but their division was, IIRC a UFP logo that was black and gold. The Monster Maroons had dark gray undershirts or just used the Operations Gray.

I love this show. I love everything about this show.

By the way, "Pria" still has a blue (?) because I feel like that teleporter that Ed picked up might come back at some point.

Right, I'm off to see what happens if I post this image on /tv/.

...

It won't.

Spoilered for those who have not seen it yet:

Because it was a predestination paradox. With the time-hole closed, Pria could and more importantly, would never have come back to save/steal the ship as Orville never would have run into the storm that would have destroyed it in Pria's timeline. Because they'd never have picked her up in the first place, so never diverted course to drop her off at a mining station. Pria caused the Orville to be 'destroyed' in her past because she went back to steal it because she thought it was destroyed. So with her never there, they'd never have gotten the magic box.

But they don't actually show the episode being retconned out of existence at the end, just Pria disappearing. Which makes sense because if she never went back in time the Orville would have had no reason to destroy the anomaly. This isn't predestination.

That's pretty impressive given that one of the other episodes this season was already a remake of Who Watches the Watchers. Too bad I won't be able to watch it until tomorrow.

But the anomaly was destroyed in all times that the anomaly existed because it itself was outside of normal linear time. The Orville destroying it at that point destroyed it at all points, past and future.

It's definitely predestination, but they removed the paradox by removing the mechanism that allowed for it to ever happen. No time travel hole, no paradox. There'd be nothing to show for the episode retconning itself other than a sudden lack of Pria, so they still wouldn't have the box.

I like Grey for intelligence. Because that's what intelligence should be. Grey, dull, and so easily overlooked that you don't know it's happening. When intelligence is exciting and high profile, either someone's fucked up, or something's really fucked up.

They might be like early counselor Troi, or that Diplomat from the TOS episode with the computerized nuclear war. They're there, they have access to things, and a set of skills that are considered valuable, but they're not really part of the chain of command, and don't wear a uniform.

Either by buying it from Exchange or getting lucky with infinity boxes.

I honestly quite liked the ENT intro music, it feels to me like a good summery of human exploration and advancement. Now if there was a intro I think everyone hates it would have to be this one. youtube.com/watch?v=eipvltuV6iQ

Honestly, Discovery’s opening is one of the things I don’t take issue with. It’s orchestral and simple. The only criticism I’d make of it is that it’s drawn out.

yes
nigger you what

the original syncs perfectly with what's on screen, and even has a distinctively Trek 10-note sequence
youtube.com/watch?v=b-oRAcb6YaE

What are you talking about? I never said I disliked Archer's theme in fact I think it's pretty damn good.

Honestly I also like the "Faith of the Heart" opening from seasons 1 and 2 (I really dislike the pop version of later). The major point of Enterprise was that it was supposed to bridge the gap between our time and The Original Series; I think having a non-standard Trek opening with sung words and an opening that focused on human exploration was the right choice.

Although I would have included video or at least a clip of Yuri Gagarin. What the fuck.

There are perhaps better song genre choices, but going country isn't a bad idea - Star Trek started as a pitch about a wagon train to the stars, after all.

>it's okay that the intro music is trash because it's thematically appropriate or some shit

The only good thing about ENT's opening is the amazing contrast it presented during the mirror universe episodes.

Imagine how hard you have to fuck up for Starfleet to relegate you to commanding something that looks like it came out of a subpar chopshop

Well, I also just like the song. De gustibus non est disputandum, motherfucker.

Can't argue with shit taste, as you say.

youtube.com/watch?v=Tgp5uQrLDO8

This is the correct answer.

Is there a program or something where I can kitbash ST ships?

Star Trek Online

Paint.

When will STO add the Franklin? They already have a bunch of other Kelvin-timeline ships.

Probably won't. The others were released before Beyond hit theaters IIRC so they're probably done making Alternate Universe ships.

I loved how they made an episode dedicated to Space Station 13

i thought the intro fit the "feel" of enterprise better than an orchestral score ever could

If that were the case, the episodes would have used shitty christian rock for the background music too. And that would have been just fucking disgusting.

>implying half of /trekgeneral/ aren't /k/ommandos who would go full sperg and turn it into a flying warcrime that puts every other captain to shame: suck it Janeway, I've got disruptors!
When all is said and done, the Federation's technological wizardry leaves even the sketchiest rusty hotrod on par with enemy cruisers-you just KNOW some overzealous lieutenant is going to reroute the auxiliary sensor array's power supply to a phaser lance they welded to the hull on their last hull-repainting EVA

Terran Empire is far better than the federation
in the empire, humans have balls
in the federation, humans are lead by the nose by literally fucking everyone else

The Terran Empire is a shitshow. A system whereby the principle means of job advancement is assasination of one’s superior has no business surviving a generation, let alone a century.
Your summation of the Federation is equally inaccurate. It’s clear that Humans dominate Starfleet, the body politic and the sciences. If you’re going to go all HFY on it then at least pick the timeline wher humans don’t end up as chattel.

Rambling about Orville, spoilers for the season end:

So that's how you cover what they really mean by cultural contamination and far reaching consequences. I felt though that it was a little too much of an everyone fucking up story rather than the triumphant season closer I'd have wanted. I do appreciate the character arc that Ed and Kelly had, it felt earned without having to put either of them in real danger in order achieve the thing I hoped they would right back from episode 1; that they'd realise they can't get back together, because they need each other far more as a Captain and Executive officer. But it's the kind of story that needed a lot of time with people not our main cast and... I dunno I just didn't really appreciate the season closing out without the maximum time spent with the crew.

Really did like that 8-minute pre-credits opener though, and we also got another thing I wanted to see in Bortus and Klyden just being normal and ok. I feared that Klyden might catch a bit of the Keiko problem where we just don't see any part of the relationship where we can understand why they're together in the first place.

Still, this season's given so me so many moments of them just not bringing the writing problems I feared, I gotta say I'm really impressed. Even though that last one was written by MacFarlane primarily, it still cut down on the style of jokes the earlier stuff had. There wasn't a long, painful teething period. There wasn't the utter disaster of them trying to do a pure comedy episode. They got so much right. It's been like jumping into a show that has already hit the mid-seasons where everyone knows how to make it work week to week.

Thank fuck it wasn't a cliffhanger.
Bring on Season 2.

Didn't the empire collapse partly because of the OS crew popping over and fucking everything up?

The empire is shitty, no doubt, but the whole >lets never ever station actual soldiers on ships and drag our asses on making proper combat ships
thing the federation has going on is just as retarded
doubly so considering that they've been getting in firefights on a monthly, if not weekly basis for the better part of 200 years with pretty much everyone they meet

the bullshit line of reasoning seems to be that if they appear super enlightened and loving and non-aggressive then nobody would ever stoop so low as to attack them.

Completely ignoring opportunistic Ferangi who would quite happily steal the ship, sell the men into slavery, keep the women as personal sex slaves or whore them out and slaughter and eat the children.

Or the Nausicaans who would do all that for non-profit maximum fun reasons.

Or space amoebas and vampire clouds that will just kill every one and their dog because that's what they do by existing.

Or god like entities that delight in the suffering of others.

And that's just the shit encountered before episode 1 season 1 of TNG. By which point Starfleet has decided that it would be prudent to bring the wife and kids along presumably so as not to leave behind as many orphans and other dependents.

Fuck that. Scotty said it best
>"The best diplomat I know is a fully activated phaser bank."

The other races looked at the exploration vessels and compared them to battle ships. That was why they were respected, not because of self inflicted weakness.

I hate the Kelly and Ed shit every time it pops up. I sincerely hope this is the last of it.

I totally agree about all of the fucking up being just too much. I get that they're deliberately not the best and brightest like Star Trek might show but I could have done without them making the same mistake like 5 times in the same episode.

Also I hated the ending. There was a good point that the development of religion is natural and if not for Kelly they'd have developed worship of something else. However their smug and condescending notion of religion as something you just 'grow out of' into enlightenment is extremely disappointing.

>However their smug and condescending notion of religion as something you just 'grow out of' into enlightenment is extremely disappointing.

It really is a worthy successor to Star Trek.

Fair enough. I still hope to see better though.

We all did, I think.

But then I look at STD and I realize that it could have been a lot worse and then I feel happier about the whole thing.

What's wrong with STD?

It's incurable

Nothing. It's what we as Trek fans deserve. The fanbase is terrible and demands impossible, often contradictory, standards of the franchise holders. We don't deserve anything better than STD so why should we get anything better?

I sincerely hope this is satire and not a shill.

mmmmmm yes whip me harder mr. CBS! mmmmm yes put less work into your scripts and claim you're being brave by reviving a beloved 50 year old property rather than taking a chance on something new! mmmmmm now spit in my mouth!

It must be satire. STD fans get angry if you call it STD.

Neither. I just genuinely think that the fanbase is pretty shitty and thus doesn't deserve a good show. To be fair, I don't really think we deserve any show at all at this point, but that's neither here nor there. I don't watch STD, because it's crap, but I have no hope or belief that it will ever be better or that we'll ever get a decent Trek show again. We as a fanbase don't deserve one, we're too shit so why should they bother? Frankly, why'd they even bother with STD? Just let the franchise slip into somnolence and die quietly.

Fanbases never know what they want. That's a pretty good constant for them. But blaming the end consumer for your subpar product seems like a pretty reductive argument.

>I'm so autistic that I understand neither mob mentality nor basic cashflow so I'm going to spout some highminded bullshit about how people don't deserve to be sold something.
Seriously dude, what the fuck are you even saying?

If only they had a large portion of the crew trained in combat and dedicated to military and security operations or something.

it would be great if they did
it's a shame they don't because it would be so much better if the crew wasn't pants on head retarded

Security, user, that's what security are for. You know, the guys that do most of the fighting.

>We

I think we deserved Orville.

We didn't deserve to have to pay for (an inevitably going to be short lived) CBS-only streaming service and be served a turd instead of a decent product for the expense.