The Pit

well alright, I guess someone died and made you grand overlord of bitching at people to try and get rid of threads you aren't interested in. still gonna keep the thread up a while longer and hope I get lucky.

I'd love to get more info on this, also is it expensive?

aside from the possibility of someone posting it up here on Veeky Forums for free, the only way to get it is to donate at least a dollar to Abbadon's Kill Six Billion Demons patreon.

So are we really all just waiting for someone to post it rather than pay 1 measly dollar?
Makes sense

>Now, I'm interested, but I'm also perpetually broke and I don't really even have a dollar to spare to his patreon to download it from there.

It's stuff like this that makes people accuse everything related to Abbadon on Veeky Forums as being from shills.

It's only subtle if you're not aware of really blatant shilling in the past. From a more critical perspective, we've got a guy hoping to mention the guy's patreon without coming off as a shill since he's aware of the shill association.

It's like, c'mon. Stop abusing this anonymous image board by using it to advertise, and be more honest and just talk to us like regular people.

I mean alright. I guess I, OP, am actually the KSBD guy. Except I can't draw for shit and do not make 3k a month off patreon. So, actually no I'm not him. Also, side note: I really don't understand this mentality. How the hell is it viable to anonymously advertise on an image board like Veeky Forums? Like, has anyone ever actually done it, or moreover reaped some actual benefit from doing so? I can't actually imagine it working and

*and it'd genuinely shock me if anyone ever managed to pull it off

You can't imagine advertising working? Get a grip.

I saw him mention this on the KSBD Tumblr but I assumed it'd be something coming out in the far future, seeing as he pretty much only just released Lancer. The dude either works surprisingly quickly or is really good at multitasking, because he still gets KSBD up on schedule most of the time.

>The dude either works surprisingly quickly or is really good at multitasking
No, he just doesn't finish his shit.

I know a few workaholic people like that in the art world. Over-extending yourself is a survival mechanism when you're working poor, but it's also a killer when you're actually successful and have a brand that needs consistent quality and releases.

My take is Abbadabba is working with a few groups of peeps on these side projects, and it's possible they're all working on their own projects at the same time. If these projects do have a lead, then Abbs is either a distant lead who lets the rest drive the project, or is a secondary component of the team and others are driving it while he (or she? What is Abaddon?) provides input when there's time or it's necessary.

Those this mean that the Kills Six Billion Demons Rpg is already done?
Lancer is supposedly made by his friend.
But if he isn't done with the K6bd rpg, why is he already starting to make a new game?

Yeah I'm fairly certain Lancer and The Pit were both worked on with other people.

I don't know if it's finished. He's going to keep on updating it in the future, I think.

He's never going to finish any of these games.

Expect another largely superfluous and unneccesary RPG in the upcoming months.

He's announced, like, three of these. And the art and worlds for them have been cool, but the mechanics have been universally lackluster. Does he even playtest any of these?

Actually he said the KSBD rpg is done and should be out this month. But you can go on and be negative about it if it makes you feel good.

He's finished the colored art for Broken World, and says he's getting pretty close to a full release.

Knowing him it will continue to get updated, but that's not really here nor there; every major game gets updates and patches after a community gets their hands on it.

I know he did a public playtest of Broken World with some patreons, so we know he's done it at least once. I think he playtests all of this stuff himself at least a couple of times, and we know that he accepts player input pretty consistently.

As far as mechanics go, he seems to really like PbtA and modifying it to fit his games. I can't really blame him, I'm a fan myself. I haven't taken much of a look at Lancer, but considering Broken World and The Pit are PbtA-based (the former far more so than the latter, but the latter is still noticeably so) I wouldn't be surprised to hear that it was also.

Got links to this shit?

You people are fucking killing me.

>Another new RPG when the first two are still broken piles of shit
And of fucking course he gets his cronies to shill it here

Maybe if you want us to playtest your game for free you should give it to us for free you fucking fat fetish faggot, abbyboi

The games aren't all that bad. Broken World is perfectly workable and fun, being almost purely a PbtA game. Lancer seems way more mechanically-oriented, but most mecha games are, so whatever. And what we have of The Pit isn't quite enough to play a game (no section on foes), but the basic premise seems good, the Lantern mechanic is inspired, and he seems to have borrowed enough of an identity from 4e without getting stuck in its traps.

I put a copy of it here . Someone's got to pay the measly $1 first, brochacho.

Woah Abbadon Himself put out a new RPG?

No, the author of Kill Six Billion Demons™? The genius behind LANCER™?
You mean, the very same Abbadon - OUR GUY?
And he's taken inspiration from Dark Souls™ and Darkest Dungeon™?

Woah..

WOAH!

I've already bought a dozen copies.

You are literally the problem.

The guy who shilled for Lancer at first was a dick and a sweetie-poster, but no need to continue his legacy.

Don't forget that Abbadon™ of Kill 6 Billion Demons™ fame is a GNOSTIC GENIUS that puts Kirkbride to shame! So you just KNOW that the lore of The Pit™ will be epic! Epic for the win!

I bet there will even be lesbians because Abaddon™, creater of hit RPG Lancer™, is so progressive and forward thinking!

What is this? What is this thing you are doing? Explain it to me.

No one really cared that much about Abbadon's stuff until the guy who shilled Lancer went overboard.

Now hating literally everything the guy does and treating him like a corporate totem is in vogue.

Some fags like to shill K6BD and the creator despite it being a shit webcomic and the creator a hack. They're making fun of those posters.

It's called "being a snarky asshole" and it's very hot right now on this board

Umm sweetie? If you don't get it maybe you should just leave

>shit webcomic
That's a bit far. It's uninspired if you're already into gnosticism or TES lore, but the art is pretty rad.

What's wrong, user? You don't want to buy my game? Why not? Why won't you just buy my game already, user? It's only a dollar. For less than the price of one coffee, you can support an independent artist and get a spiffy new RPG that's just an old RPG except less complete and with lore poorly derived from whatever videogame is popular at the moment. Doesn't that sound good to you, user? Right?

So BUY MY GAME ALREADY.

>but the art is pretty bad
FTFY

>tfw everyone so busy shitposting they don't notice someone posted the pdf

Who cares? It's a pile of shit made for a quick buck.

It's certainly not complete, but it shows some real promise.

I'm not going to pretend it's going to revolutionize the genre or anything, but calling any of the three games released thus far "a pile of shit," isn't being entirely honest.

Broken World is the only one complete enough to be worth really trying, but it does the job well enough; most all PbtA games do if you're not an autist about number-crunching.

>Demon Deer Guys
>Demon Guys
>Iguana Guys
>Cat Guys
>Guy Guys
seems faggy

>guy guys

>Like, has anyone ever actually done it,
yes
>or moreover reaped some actual benefit from doing so?
No. But that doesn't stop people from trying

It's post modern irony

...

thanks

Why? Why would you think it would be a good idea to just post 'hey heard about this thing you can access for $1 which isn't finished' when Lancer was shilled here, probably admittedly as a false-flag, for literal months and Broken World threads when they were here were trolled into oblivion? And when the author literally got his start shilling on /co/ in the first place?

Sorry for "killing you" by having a reasonable reaction to threads which have been cancerous as fuck for the entirety of their tenure on Veeky Forums.

>OSR-inspired
Can that not become a buzzword? Because I don't see anything OSR in .
This shit's less OSR than GLOG

The most supreme irony is that whoever posts these threads genuinely has nothing to do with KSBD guy, whose arguably just some spergy nerd doing his spergy nerd thing like we all are, but comes off looking like a cringe inducing community co-opting salesman because he has fans trying to push his product in unsubtle ways in the most hostile market on earth

It's just fucking depressing to watch people try to ruin a thread over the chance that someone might like a thing too much or be accredited with its creation. Even if they are right it feel like the people shitposting these into the ground still have worse intentions and outcomes.

>why?
Why not? If someone's going to make a thread about it, I might as well try to mitigate shitposting by giving everyone something to play with. Is it complete? No. Was OP a shill? Maybe. But this is Veeky Forums. I'd rather people discuss the game than shitpost on a thread about the game.

For what it's worth, I personally don't care about anything that happens on /co/, that board is cancer personified. And yeah, the Lancer sweetie-posting shill was obnoxious; shitposters continue their legacy. Yeah, the Broken World threads were trolled, but that game is actually pretty decent since it's "hey! Do you like PbtA, but in Sigil? Boy, do we have a game for you!"

This shit might not be so cancerous if people actually talked about the game instead of ironically acting like a commercial because liking things on Veeky Forums is apparently badwrongfun.

You're probably right. I guarantee the original Lancer shill (after Abbadon's friend who crated the first thread realized his mistake) was just an over-eager fan. And yet the shitposts persist.

I downloaded and am going try it out. I am not going to bother trying to discuss it here though.

>try it out
Good luck. It's honestly not done.

PC stuff seems more or less complete, but there's little to no material for GMs like foes, metaphysics, basic lore beyond the premise of the dungeon, and plot hooks.

It's less a game demo and more a teaser trailer.

Seriously. At least this is playable, tangible, content. Content of readily debatable quality but still.

Also, having played Broken World for a few sessions I can say that it's actually not bad. It's got problems, absolutely, but it's different and functional enough that I'm happy to give it my time. I'll check this out too, especially now that my group knows PbtA.

So how IS Lancer now, after the 1.5 update? Anyone who's given it a read able to fill me in on whether it's any good?

It's a mech game, which means it's of dubious quality.

If I were ever to GM a mech game I'd use either it or Remnants, which speaks pretty highly of it. But that's mostly because, like Remnants, it's got enough rules depth for some fun grid-based combat but without making mistakes like pilots having a god-stat or the weapons and systems being so in-depth that they frighten new players away.

You'll get more depth out of more crunchy mech systems, but the implied setting is very heavily geared toward heroic mech pilots saving the day by dropping out of atmosphere into either clandestine 08th MS Team-like conflicts or into wars with casualties in the millions.

I've got Remnants, haven't read it in ages though. I liked Lancer because I wanted to run something in a Destiny-esque setting.

If you wanted to run something in a Destiny-like setting, you're better off using Broken World. Lancer is more for Titanfall-esque campaigns; but even then, only kind of. It expects your Pilot gameplay to be almost entirely narrative, with little to no real combat-oriented rules for them.

Personally I prefer Remnants to Lancer, but that's because I'm the closest that this board has to a consistent Remnants/Warbirds shill.

Having gone over the changes from 1.4 to 1.5, it seems like they attacked the principle problems people had (melee was shit, talents pigeonholed very specific and same-y loadouts, stats are weird and confusing a lot of the time) pretty successfully. I'm really dubious of the "cinematic" combat where after every player's turn there is an enemy's turn and then the next players turn, but mainly because I haven't played a game that works like that. There's also a method for resurrecting dead characters, at steep costs.

Seems more pleasant to play and easier to understand than 1.4 with better balancing, but it's still far away from being a complete game by anyone's standards. Unless you intend on using your playing as test material for the dev, then I wouldn't bother with it yet.

WHOAH hold on now!
Are you sure this is abbadon, the same guy?

All of these aren't represented by women or obsesivly circle around women as a concept.

what's remnants?

Remnants is a really good mech RPG who's default setting takes place in a future-post-apocalypse setting.

I love it because it uses the core mechanics that made Warbirds such an amazing game, while its mech-building borrows from the core concept of Mutants & Masterminds: the results are what are mechanically described, while the fluff of how the ranged damage is done or how the melee is made is up to the player.

One of the main points that makes the game so great is its pilot stats: Body, Mind, and Spirit, all ranging from -3 to +3. Skills are based on those (with ranks in skills adding other modifiers), but the best part of it is that all the mecha-use (or warbird-use, in Warbirds) skills go off Situational Awareness, which is Body, Mind, and Spirit all added together.

Sounds fun. I'll check it out.

UN > YIS

Situational Awareness is pretty brilliant, because it guarantees that you don't need to worry about a piloting god-stat and your characters don't need to be built a certain way to be effective outside of in and inside of the cockpit.

Someone can be brawny or skilled or charismatic, but they're all about the same level of competent inside of their mechs.

Definitely do. The setting itself is pretty rad too, but it's something that can be passed on. The core mechanics are what makes both Remnants and Warbirds worth it.

Don't you mean WOMEN>YIS

I'm FEMALE

You're gonna have to explain this one to me.

>You will never game with Babycakes.

YIS is female, silly.

Think of it this way: Allison is often referred to as Al-YIS-UN. Woman first.

I did a blunder. And if its the women thing, the comic has this really weird forced feeling with the no-penis gender around everything. And not in the progressive "MUH VAGOOBER FUCK MEN BEING IN EVERYTHING" .

I mean I will not be surprised that it turns out allisons former "boyfriend" is either a transwoman or was turned into a woman by female magykyna powyrs.

>Allison
>AI-YIS-UN
BRAVO Abbadon

Is this a thing we're doing now? We're pretending KSBD is SJW nonsense because it borrows heavily from fringe mythology like Catharism?

People have always accused K6BD of being SJW. From the moment the Angel Cop started having the plot where it started identifying as a "she," despite the Angelic tendency toward male pronouns, people screamed SJW.

Even if that plot was handled fine because the Angel never demanded anyone respect her life choices and even growled at people that implied she was in fact a she, because she still had/has some respect for her order and their peace-keeping duties and originally saw anything that distanced her from her brothers as distancing her from being a peace-keeper. At the current point in the plot she seems to have come to terms with herself, and STILL there's no moment where she demands people acknowledge it.

Near as I can tell, it's hardly the SJW story people might claim it is. Allison constantly gets wrecked because of her lack of knowledge and perspective, and even now when she's rocking Incubus's power, it's hardly an even relationship.

I'm actually hype as shit because Abbadon said this is pretty much going to be the last arc where things happen because Allison is retarded.

No surprise, it's shit.

>despite the Angelic tendency toward male pronouns
It's not even that the angels trend towards being male, it's that they perceive having a gender at all to be pointless, and are quite literally accusing "her" of being a special snowflake whose losing perspective by identifying as anything at all

For a start, it's interesting enough to keep me watching. If there's a discord where this is being discussed, I'd love to be involved.

Oh it'd be okay if it was just that.

But for gods sake man you can know who is going to be friends with the main character by its gender.
Also who is going to be overpowered.

Its like if a guy did big dick ala jojo but there was almost no women outside slight side characters and it had this oozing, bright wording "MALE POWER" constantly on the screen without any actual hate towards women, as equal parties die but somehow it just ends up with more women being powerful or last standing. Some men, if not all turns out to be no-homo gays, fucking rocks turn out to be shower rapist big-dicks all over the fucking place, constant reference to smegma and the way the whole adventure started who was actually a fucking interesting and cute plot point is just fucked five ways to sunday and the character, who's struggle to actually deal with the problem at hand turns out to have no interest in "that bitch".

Its not misogyny or even a fetish about males, its an obsession and its fucking grating to read trough when you catch onto it.

The people who are on this argument, either side, are brain damaged and need to bring it into everything they do.

You know I kinda find this as bullshit because Allison not being chad Dudebro who comes to saves the girl or butch Clitdick but rather a generally not up for the task person.

and yeah, the geek saves the day isn't exactly new but the spin of not having to woman being "just as good" to save the guy who probably would be up for doing it and being horribly under qualified is just great.

Which she responds to by calling out their hypocrisy. They're all "brothers," and refer to each other as "he."

I agree that they're accusing her of being a snowflake, and she absolutely hates it. But she does eventually grow to embrace it without the author shoving it in our faces. The closest we get to the author coming down from on high to say "she's trans now, get over it," is when we finally see her flame form or whatever it is and she happens to look like a woman.

It's actually been handled fairly well. Won't stop people from screaming SJW all the same.

What are you talking about. Yeah, the main "adventuring party," is all female, but the comic has some top-tier male cast-members.

Oscar is an absolute dream of a ham, the Conquering King is a KING, Allison seems to have a much harder time dealing with Incubus than with Nadia, and the biggest bad in the entire series is a dude who decided to pound nails of immortality into himself. Hell, there's a genuine chance that Allison's boyfriend is the chosen one and she just happens to be stumbling her way through the Power because Zoss had no choice.

He implied that Allison is still going to struggle through and learn as she goes, but he more or less said this is the last arc where she knowingly does the worst thing possible because she's tired of people pushing her around.

Accepting Incubus' deal and forcing a bunch of devils into robbing the Dragon's Bank is probably one of the stupidest things she could be doing, and it's been infuriating watching her go about it.

At least the arc in Nadia's castle was rewarding because of the "I choose King!" moment; she happened to be in a shitty situation and made the best of it, but she was even in the castle in the first place because "fuck it, I'mma just walk right up to a demiurge and play it by ear."

In fact I'd say most of the biggest badasses are guys

ESPECIALLY Solomon David.

>Abbadon
Nah no thanks, not interested in a game by an SJW.

See

>but the comic has some top-tier male cast-members.
Yeah and I brought this up, its not sexism its just bizarre obsession on the female gender and it would honestly be less eye catching and grating if he just toned it down.

Might just be you, guy. Even with it being pointed out, I'm honestly not that bothered.

All I know is this better be playing when we finally get to fighting Jagganoth.
youtube.com/watch?v=tKIbs-pKQgU

>male pronouns
Angels are the race directky derived from, and most strongly associated with, the male god. They're inextricably tied up with masculinity in the cosmic, metaphysical sense. Moving away from this at all would be becoming more feminine. The trans-angel, in particular, has come to strongly identify with the humans he/she protects as a peacekeeper.

You'd never claim the opposite if the roles were reversed.

Yeah because men are normal people and girls aren't.

I literally did though. Jojo almost have the same problem you F U C K.

JoJo is elevated by its masculine themes.

A lot of people haven't actually read hindu mythology and don't realize how much trasgenderism, androgyny, male and female gender roles, and the "form following function" there is in Hindu mythology. Abbadon has read his mythology and he's using what he has learbed pretty damn well.

People who have complaints about the SJW nature of it are largely illiterate and unread people who don't really give a damn as long as they can shove their personal issues into his narrative, both good and bad.

The Goddess of Mercy used to be a God, for their sake, long before the current era of special snowflakism.