Anyone has done the Xabungle mechs for BT? Because it has sucessions wars flavour all over the place.
Nicholas Sanders
There is a Gamers Workshop horror stories in another thread. Does anybody have any stories of spergs or Fasa / WK / CGL employees that would be fun to talk about?
Wyatt Stewart
I don't, but I know that some people do. My interactions with the Demo Team have all been fairly positive.
Zachary Long
So, that DI stuff from last thread. I know there was a little bit about it in the Tech Manual but a lot of it sounded more like the Learning Neural Nets from Heavy Gear. Are there any sources for it?
Nolan Flores
The worst game of Battletech I ever had was just against a cheater who claimed not to know BV2 was a thing and brought a force twice the size of mine. In 2011.
Noah Baker
Yes. The original DI descriptions and the novels. There was also a breakdown of it in one of the Battletechnology issues I think, though that's apocryphal.
>Electronics At the heart of the Battledroid lies the Diagnostic Interpretation (DI) Computer. The DI computer is a resilient self-healing network of distributed processors and internal and external sensors that are connected to every component in the Droid. It serves as the -Unseeninterface between the DroidWarrior and their machine, translating the pilot's commands into physical actions. It also has a limited artificial intelligence that assists the pilot with movement, obstacle avoidance and other tasks. The DI provides the pilot with real-time data regarding the Droid's operational status and can even bypass damaged segments in order to keep the machine operational. The ability to build such sophisticated control systems is among the many lost technologies of the Inner Sphere. While skilled technicians can repair a damage DI computer, provided the necessary parts are available, they can no longer build entirely new units. A DroidWarrior pilot also controls their machine via a neuralimpulse helmet. This advanced instrument provides posture, movement and balance information from the Battledroid directly to the pilot. At the same time, the helmet translates the pilot's neural impulses back to the Battledroid to direct movement and positioning. In sense, the DroidWarrior controls the Battledroid as if it were their own body. However, like fusion engines and drivecontrol systems, neural-impulse helmets can no longer be manufactured by the Inner Sphere making them as rare and valuable as the Battledroids themselves.
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Austin Gomez
In addition, the advanced targeting and tracking systems of the Star League are largely absent from the modern battlefields of the Inner Sphere. The intelligent battle computers, holographic displays, powerful electronic warfare suites, actives probes and other advanced systems found on many Star League Droids can no longer be manufactured. In their place, comparatively simple lineof- sight systems serve, severely impacting the range of the weapon systems and making combat a much more close and personal affair than in the past. The same is true, to a lesser degree, of the communications system. The ability to uplink/downlink from satellites, orbiting DropShips or even distant JumpShips has largely disappeared. Even encryption has fallen to the level of the 21st century making it difficult to securely coordinate large scale operations. -Unseen- Sensor arrays, including infrared, electromagnetic and seismic, are found on almost all Battledroids. Laser range-finders remain common but even these systems are considerably bulkier and less effective than their Star League counterparts. This lack of miniaturization has led to the disappearance of almost all "smart" ordinance. Where once missiles were routinely equipped with sophisticated guidance systems and even fire-and-forget technology, the current generation of ordinance is relatively primitive, relying on the pilot for target acquisition and guidance information.
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Dylan Brooks
Tbh if that part about DI Computers being impossible to build, it would mean that Hesperus II and any other mech building facility would have been pointless as their mechs wouldn't have neural controls at all and if built they would be rather shitty to control in the levels in Industrialmechs.
Adam Green
Welcome to BattleDroids, where nothing really makes sense because it's so damn old and predates sense making.
Robert Davis
That's OG Battledroids, user. As in nobody was building new mechs and Hesperus was an old parts depot.
Dylan Collins
I wish
Aaron Morales
Doubt you guys really care, but Catalyst 'should' be doing a presentation of some kind on Battletech in 2 ½ hours on the NGNG (also known as NigGerNutGarglers) twitch stream.
Levi Baker
also, you guys able to determine if this thing is an existing robot, or yet another "original robutt donut steel" from pgi?
Evan Morgan
That's the first full pic popping up in here.
My money is still on a PGI original Falconer variant.
Asher Bell
PGi don't do art of variants though, that's the thing. They always have Alex draw the "prime" or first official variant of a chassis.
Isaac Reyes
Best bet is a redesign of the Arctic Wolf 2 (the model 1-2, not the II)
Legs look right at least.
Austin Diaz
MWO already has the Arctic Wolf ingame, though.
The new mystery 'mech looks much more... Marauder-y.
Jack Perry
They already released the Arctic Wolf.
Jacob Baker
so for making my OC periphery state/empire in 3150, i should expect to at least have access to or had access to: general periphery stuff, and also anything from 2766 or before thanks to the hegemony memory core.
Noah White
...
Charles Torres
That mech is a piggy original, apparently called the "Sun Spider."
Liam Bennett
Source?
Brandon Ortiz
The MechCon stream. A prototype Omni form the 2800s.
BUT THAT IS WHAT THE CROSSBOW YOU FUCKING PORK RINDS
Landon Robinson
Reminds me of this. Some of you people make my day with stuff like this.
Eli Perez
The legs are on backwards and the torso is hideous. This isn't MWO's finest work.
Mason Reyes
>It looks like it's lower body is on backwards
Can look cool if done correctly.
Luis Reyes
>BUT THAT IS WHAT THE CROSSBOW YOU FUCKING PORK RINDS
Their explanation is okay. I don't know why they would call it up in the 50s, but weirder things have happened.
What I don't understand is why they bother following the fluff at all if they're so dead-set on making MWO feel like anything but Battletech.
Daniel Collins
Holy fuck that looks bad.
Jacob Watson
>Sun Spider >Messed up legs Well it looks like a creature from someone's daydreams.
Liam Roberts
No actual employee would be caught dead admitting that. And they might not know BV/2 is a thing if they're new to the game or only played Alpha Strike/Battleforce.
Ryder Anderson
Alex kinda dropped the ball on this one, but I feel like he didn't even really want to draw the mech since it seemed to be the brain spawn of the resident yellow menace diversity hire that fucked up MWO to begin with, Paul "i know u know i rike to eat da rice from da bunghoreru" Inoyue.
Anthony Robinson
Looking like one of the fat fucks, think Randall, is about to show people the boxes for the battletech starter set.
Jacob Gray
2 kits.
Beginner box is 20-25 dollaroos and 2 models.
Starter box is 60 dollaroos and 8 models.
Xavier Hernandez
Good confirmation but it’s not relevant news, we’ve heard this since at least . Any other info?
Connor King
Erection, but also despair, because as we all know, we're never going to get those fucking large scale models. So thanks CGL.
Jack Morales
*at least gencon
Crap phone.
Michael Mitchell
Why would you want shodilly prepainted rough 3d printed models?
William Roberts
They want to sell separate map packs, possibly mech booster packs.
They're now focusing on a campaign book that is set in the early succession war era.
Starter boxes come with story booklets about Gray Death Legions leaders dad or some shit.
Then they literally spent a minute asking people to come by their merchandise store and buy their shit.
Carson Hernandez
Not the shoddy or prepainted part, but the gunpla scale part. All we had was Armorcast for years, and now we don't have even that.
Brody Clark
>can look cool if done correctly Your picture looks worse than the sun spider
Isaac Allen
please tell me they didn't use miniatures paint on those model-kit-scale ones.
Colton Peterson
I know that they have th DI computers but you were talking about it "learning" that weapons have different calibration and making them act or move in certain ways. I've never come across that before outside of Heavy Gear and it seems beyond what I'm familiar with from BT.
>expecting logical, consistent lore from Randall user, you have nobody to blame but yourself.
Jason Perry
What the fuck is this shit? Why are we not just wholesale taking BT away from CGL? This makes even less sense than Randall's shitty industrialmech. Why would any Clanner not immediately scream at his scientists for hiding a mech? Why not just make the fucking thing a regular mech design, rather than sitting on it for TWO HUNDRED YEARS? Is there anyone left working for this company that reads the fluff beyond Xotl?
Anthony Young
Same reason that the Lupus was randomly retconned from a standard battlemech to an Omni.
Few of the authors give a shit about the fluff outside their own specialty areas, none of them think things through, and the fact-checking team does not give a fuck.
And that's for actual BT. You can imagine how much worse it is for MWO, where lore seems to be handled by Randall alone.
Asher Adams
Battletech retcons itself and shits in its own mouth with every single released product, be it book, a miniature, a spreadsheet, or a game. What exactly are you seeing as weird here, again?
Angel Wilson
>Why are we not just wholesale taking BT away from CGL?
Cameron Flores
Is it a price or quality issue? If it's the latter, honestly, I don't think it matters. For that scale they did a shit job for display pieces, and they could have used dollar-store tolepaints to similar effect.
Samuel Butler
>Why are we not just wholesale taking BT away from CGL?
but we are. People are looking to fan-produced "unofficial" solutions for material these days.
80s has plenty of hot anime women. Mechs, not so much.
Gavin Davis
A lot of weird shit happened in the 80s. Some of it was great, most of it was stupid and terrible.
Jayden Morris
>Sun Spider >Spider >Bipedal Mech
Shit taste.
Nathaniel Russell
Well, the original SPIDER mech is also a biped.
Ethan Collins
And the much superior Stalking Spider is a quad, like God intended.
Brody Long
Maybe they included this Mech because they couldn't do quads? >mfw Scorpion never
Also, what's taking Piggy so long to give the IS Omnis? They could do sets with them! >Wave 1: >Owens >Strider >Avatar >Sunder
>Wave 2: >Raptor >Firestarter >Perseus >Haputmann
>Wave 3: >Arctic Fox >Blackjack >Perseus >Templar
Dylan Nguyen
Next project is going to be an armoured VF-1J; I'm planning a special Crusader...
>inb4 "Special how? By not being all explodey all over the place?"
Carson Wilson
Whats taking them so long is the fact that they're a bunch of incompetent fuckwits, and even THEY know that shit chassis with locked IS XL engines will be doomed to failure.
Charles Hernandez
I have a love/hate relationship with the Crud. I love the original art. It's one of my favs. But beside the explodey situation, I have never been able to use it well. The original is so poorly optimized I leave it to others or AIs in Megamek.
Aside from that, damn nice work, user. Is this you, Pencil Bro?
Owen Parker
I never got why the SRM ammo is in the CT when the launchers are in the legs. I get that the majority of mechs are designed deliberately bad, but double CT ammo is meme-ably terrible. I love the Crud’s look and concept, but more than half the time I am driving rebuilt, re-engineered Crusaders for painfully obvious reasons.
Elijah Stewart
The Mega Centurion of the future, TODAY!
How would one even stat that thing? There seems to be no visible ranged weapons on it.
Henry Cook
>I have a love/hate relationship with the Crud. Me too. I love to hate it.
Julian Bailey
Sword, large shield, all components armored and with heavy-duty as possible, all armor hardened.
Parker Bailey
yeah XL is kinda... not good in the LFE enviro. The exception being lights and mediums, so stuff like an Omni Firestarter is still good.
Elijah Gomez
>I have a love/hate relationship with the Crud. I love the original art. It's one of my favs. But beside the explodey situation, I have never been able to use it well. The original is so poorly optimized I leave it to others or AIs in Megamek.
It looks cool - I'm terribly fond of all the Unseen if for no better reason than their aesthetics - but the best thing I can think of to do with the Crusader is threatening the enemy by brandishing a tree (the 3025 version has two hands, while the 3050 one inexplicably removes one!) while flinging LRM's at them. If I had my preference, I'd take the Thunderbolt at 65 tons, or maybe the Catapult instead.
>Aside from that, damn nice work, user. Is this you, Pencil Bro?
Thanks! Yes, it's me.
>I never got why the SRM ammo is in the CT when the launchers are in the legs.
This probably goes all the way back to its original incarnation in Battledroids, where the ten heat sinks occupy the first half of the left and right torsos (five on each side - pic related) along with the LRM ammo. I think it's supposed to represent that the ammo bin is in the CT, and the ammo feeds travel into both legs to supply each launcher equally with a steady stream of missiles. So, mechanically, you can see the reason for it, but game-play wise, it's really asking for trouble - especially with all those MG rounds in there, too!
Jacob Collins
Only problem then is you know they'll make it as big as a fucking grasshopper or some shit, with negative structure quirks.
For me it's odd. The Crusader is like the 8, 8.5 out of 10 high school girl that was pretty cute, but dumb and pretty useless back in the day. The Catapult was always the 6/10 in looks but more useful, with the Thunderbolt being the more sought after 7/10 in looks high school sweetheart that could fit in everywhere. The Jageermech was the nerdy 4/10 chick in the astronomy activity that only occasionally managed to be useful every once in a while shooting an aerospace fighter out of the air.
Ethan Gutierrez
>reapermini.com/OnlineStore/CAV: Strike Operations/sku-down/72203 It's a damn shame the CAV minis are a bit too big to use as Battletech minis; the Tiamat and a few others are pretty awesome, and Reaper bits are dirt cheap. So are IWM bits, but their shipping is way worse.
Adrian Ortiz
>Aside from that, damn nice work, user. Is this you, Pencil Bro?
>Thanks! Yes, it's me.
Fantastic to know. Adding to everything else good that happened today, my birthday rocked. Great job!
>It looks cool - I'm terribly fond of all the Unseen if for no better reason than their aesthetics Same here. I have tried for years to make a Crud I like, and it all boils down to using clan tech I guess.
Cameron Jones
straight out, the trick to actually liking the crud and using it well is to use literally any of the 3025 variants other than the -R in Introtech, and to use that one wonderful periphery RL-10 drunken death blossom and/or them -L project pixie variants in everything not introtech
Landon Bennett
Random 'mech challenge: design how the Dire Wolf/Daishi might have been like if Clan Wolf were able to "complete" the design (with XL400 engine and endo steel) before Smoke Jaguar could steal it in a trial. Bonus points for including the jumping or S config (even though high-end assault JJs are hefty AF) in addition to the Prime and A-D configs.
Hunter Reyes
>Bonus points What can I redeem the points for? What's the prize to work towards?
You can easily make a Daishi with three CERPPCs, the heat sinks to use them and a pair of flamers, with regular JJs based on a 400XL engine. I'm not creative enough to know what else to do from there.
William Garcia
In all honesty I'd rather use a 95-ton platform due to the weight savings, but the Iron Cheetah has been around for at least 15 years that I'm aware of so I didn't really feel the need to re-tread that ground.
Massed ER MLs.
Colton Watson
>In all honesty I'd rather use a 95-ton platform due to the weight savings, but the Iron Cheetah has been around for at least 15 years that I'm aware of so I didn't really feel the need to re-tread that ground.
You're not wrong, but there's also the issue of available miniatures. I know of at least two major miniatures iterations of the Iron Cheetah, which simplifies use. Also, it combines a Dire Wolf and a Timberwolf - that sort of impacted coolness is pretty much the only way to make the Clans neat.
Kevin Martin
Man, you lose so much goddamn space going 400XL on a 100 tonner, but I'll be damned if they aren't kinda fun to design.
I had never actually seen or heard of the Iron Cheetah until now. Interesting.
Kayden Cruz
Can any of those make me feel the circus?
Blake Howard
yo atms good?
Elijah Brown
that's essentially the point of th RL-crud, yeah
James Parker
The point of RL-anything, basically. Except maybe the Stinger.
Jackson Stewart
Not particularly. If you're planning on running in close with H-E ammo there are some plus points but most of the time you're better off with LRMs.
Jeremiah Thompson
rip they seem cool
Isaac Morales
iATMs are good though.
Noah Myers
should i do it
Jason Gomez
You can't do the Itano in Battletech. Not if the only thing available to you is jump-jets.
Anthony Adams
They did it to themselves already.
Jack Evans
What are some of the more common aerospace options available to mercenary units? Are any of them worth taking in the rpg?
Michael Long
It's been a long while, but I thought buildings were hard coded to be indestructible in MW4.
James Gutierrez
That's Mechwarrior 3, i.e. the second best Mechwarrior game ever made right behind MW2:Mercs
Sebastian Gutierrez
I know MW3. I play MW3 every once in a while to remind me what a real fun mech sim can be. I did all sorts of unpleasant things to buildings in MW3. The screen cap is from MW4.
