Is lesbianism allowed in your setting? Why/why not?

Is lesbianism allowed in your setting? Why/why not?

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What do you mean by "allowed"? As in do the settings' countries allow it? As in does the GM allow lesbian PCs? As in do the gods allow lesbian individuals to exist? I'm not sure what you're trying to ask.

inb4 some moron whines about quests

I was going to say something about quest threads on Veeky Forums, but I get the feeling that OP isn't genuinely making bait threads and he's just imitating the lesboposter to "teach Veeky Forums a lesson".

It's not just allowed, it's required.

>required
Explain?

The Lich King favors his homosexual subjects for aiding in his ascension, keeping them as a caste of ruthless, gay ghost-warriors to strike out against whatever rebels may be.

All lesbians are stoned to death and left to rot, as Allah intended.

I can't think of any reason why I would bar my PCs from being gay or lesbo.

>inb4 some moron whines about quests
But that only happens in shitty bait threads...

>Is lesbianism allowed in your setting? Why/why not?
There is no rule against it, but most families will ask that their daughters bear children at some point to continue the family line

>All lesbians are stoned to death and left to rot, as Allah intended.
But what if a husband thinks its hot for two of his wives to go at it?

Homosexuality is technically not illegal, though sodomy is, so I guess lesbians are fine.

It's magical girls, user. If they weren't gay, it... it just wouldn't be magical girls.

fpbp

depends on the society, sometimes its smiled upon, sometimes its frowned upon, sometimes they pay to get some man-seed so one of them can have kids, sometimes the local church burns them at the stake, sometimes its accepted that a woman can have a husband and a wife

I didn't know this was a rule.

Now I have to keep this in mind when my GM runs the magical girl campaign he's been planning.

There's yuri in every magical girl, user. Beware.

LOLOLOLOLOL I GET THAT RAYFRANCE

FUCKING EPIC D00D

EPIC 4 T3H WINZORZ

Wow, one of those girls is way more developed than the other.

Yes

Basically, one autist got really fucking buttfrustrated by that 'the princess is gay' shitpost and has been spamming muh lesbians threads all over the board to try and provoke others into outrage at the mere mention of those who eat out at the Y.

This is the third worst meme

Then when you die you get sent to hell because Allah likes lesbians.

>Allah
>Liking nice things
Pfft

Show me a magical girl show/comic without yuri, I fucking dare you

Pretty much all of them that aren't edgy fedoralord subversion garbage

I suppose I default to it just not being a big issue. Homosexuality exists, but is fairly rare. For the most part, people don't care what other people do under the covers. If a player wants to play a homosexual character, I'm fine with it as long as they don't make sexuality a major part of the game (which is also true for straight characters).

Even someone like Allah blow off some steam now and then and the best way to do that is watch some lesbians go at it.

Still waiting user, starting off with silly memes doesn't lend you much credit.

Yes, because gamers create their own characters according to their tastes (two major ones are physically created, other ones depend on choices made).

It's a thing that exists and titillates men, but the church has declared it heathen in nature and so anyone so indulging does so with discretion or is given over to the inquisition and likely burned at the stake for being a heretic.

More importantly for everyone important though, is that being a lesbian doesn't net you heirs. Which is a problem when you're playing the game of thrones.

dude I like
don't care
how tf does one disallow lesbianism anyway, make there be cockblock angels that prevent forbidden love from happening?

This better not be a jab at Madoka.

Please, all the ebin anons call meguca a "subversion" or "deconstruction" or whatever

Says the gay spamming /u/ memes

What're you gonna do about it, queer? Urobutchi is a hack who rips off sentai.

>magical girls being gay
>/u/ meme

It is, and also your filenames

Said the gay being gay memes.

Magical girls were called gays long before /u/, and yuri being called """"pure"""" as well predates /u/. Dumbass.

>WHY NOT?

It's still a /u/ meme, sweetie

Impossible, because yurifans will read hard lesbianism into everything. Friends? Fucking. Enemies? Hatefucking. Complete indifference? Tragically closeted fucking.

To be fair, they're not exactly wrong. A combination of conservative producers and bad retcons means that often that one fleeting glance eight episodes ago really was a sign of romantic longing.

>yuri = hard gay

Main issue with outside marriage relationships is it makes it hard to track down male lineage, because if a girl gets many joysticks in her ladyparts, her husband might not be the father and it causes legacy issues.

Lesbianism is okay, as is homosexuality in general, as long as you still produce babies whose father is trackable no one give a shit.

eh, just pass property down the female line and you never have to doubt parentage

>A combination of conservative producers and bad retcons means that often that one fleeting glance eight episodes ago really was a sign of romantic longing.
That's more of a western thing tho since western cartoons are shit.

Then you remove any incentive for men to create families and ultimately fight to defend the kingdom, and for some biological reasons people don't rely on lolis to repel invasions.

related

Yuri is allowed because it's honestly too boring and ridiculous to even bother outlawing

t. faggot too boring and ridiculous to even bother existing.

>Then you remove any incentive for men to create families and ultimately fight to defend the kingdom
Explain this one to me a bit more user, and bear in mind we're talking about fictional and inherently at least a little bit unrealistic (fantasy and SF) settings.

It's very unusual to had this IRL, but it did exist in some places: you had matrilineal succession in nobility in Kerala, and Galician families would leave the bulk of their estates to a youngest daughter (who would stay at home and care for the parents and herself not marry until a later date).

If you absolutely must prove descent from a parent in a fantasy setting, matrilineal succession seems like a reasonable way to accommodate it.

Different user but I never got much of a gay vibe from Madoka(except maybe, MAYBE Kyouko having an unrequinted crush on Sayaka, but even that's a bit of a stretch). I think yurifags are reading way too much into it

Honestly a little disappointed no one posted this yet.

>somehow caught red and blue
>misses purple and pink

Watch Rebellion

Because only retards with nothing to add to the thread post that.

I'm talking about a fantasy setting where legacy is indeed important and regularly cause disputes between clans even in the same village.

Altho I agree that, if we start with the pressupositions that women as are effective in working and fighting as men, matrilinear succession would be more intuitive.

Now, you have to ask the question, why do men marry? Why would they go through the trouble of limiting themselves to one weaker partner, that will cost incidently more than it will get them?

Offspring might not appear a very intuitive reason, but in a fantasy setting it's especially important. One crafter is not taken care of by his village when he's too old to craft. Children are here for that, women are the one who provide them. When you eventually kick the bucket, you need someone to pass on your shit to.

Now in a matrilinear succession setting, the child you're working for are not yours. They might, they might not. They might very well decide you're not really their father, and will not develop feelings of obligation to you.

Why bother feeding them? Why bother defending them against the very real threats that lurk just outside the village, which can be anything from goblins to marauding werewolves.

Men are the one who do the fighting and the bulk of the working. If not bought by the idea that they are protecting their very kin, they would simply not bother and would just fuck around and spread their seeds.

In the case of an invasion with nothing tangibly theirs to protect, they will just fuck off and then you have a bunch of women and children to fend off the invaders.

This is very possible that, in noble lines, youd have matrilinear succession. They don't work, and they are getting paid to exist, they don't give a shit.

But when you are living with the nose on the mud, you need to make sure people stand, work and fight and that's why patrilinear succession is a thing, mariage is sacred and fucking other guys is a no-no

Maby that's because only new fags don't know that it is the only answer to fags in a rpg

Or maybe you are fag that is also new that does not know not everyone playing rpg has a shitty dm

Matrilinear succession existed in multiple cultures user. Usually in such cases men concentrated their care on their sisters' kids.

Can you provide your sources please? I'd be glad to have a check. I'm satisfied with my setting and will probably not alter it, but never miss an opportunity to learn

>Watch Rebellion

I quit halfway through rebellion it was kinda boring

He's right. I can't remember the tribes offhand but they're typically resource and population poor places where two men had to share a wife

Has this occurred among any advanced people, or just tribal cultures? Every history book I've read on the subject links the rise of marriages to the father's desire to ensure he's passing on property to his own children

Yes.
Because it's adorable

Male gay is cute too

>thinks the first estate is paid to exist
>thinks family groups are exclusively mother-father
Come the fuck on user. The very way you're putting your argument means you should know this isn't the be-all end-all of social groupings.

I'm not even going to get into your last sentence, which seems more like your personal creed than anything to do with a fantasy world. What about IRL polyandrous and polygynous societies?

>I can't remember the tribes offhand
Wait, wait, tribes? Are we talking about the same thing? I'm talking about a setting where people have the capacity to organize at the level of a kingdom.

Well duh, because it's yuri and therefore boring

Depends on the country, tone of game my players are after and wether I want to bother or not.

Yeah no dude, it only exists in dirt poor Africa to Central Asia regions and largely died with the onset of at least industrialization in any region where industrialization occurs

> which seems more like your personal creed
It's not. I'm of the opinion mariage should be abolished completely in any modern society. But I want my setting to be understandable and credible.

If I'm wrong, I want to know why.

>this isn't the be-all end-all of social groupings.
It is very important, and it's the subject we're discussing. Of course there are other factors, but transmission of legacy is a cornerstone of it. I'm talking about it because that's what being discussed.

>What about IRL polyandrous and polygynous societies?
I have the growing suspiscion you guys are talking about african tribes that never grew into a kingdom, and I am somewhat inclined to see a casuality link (but that's my opinion)

One I've read about recently are Indian Nairs, they have pretty weird familial structure in general.

You can refer to this list: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_matrilineal_or_matrilocal_societies

Many of them were tribal cultures, but some were pretty advanced. Also matrilineality doesn't correlate with polyandry AFAIK.

Organization level hardly plays into it.

It depends, as I see it:

Halflings: Dont give a shit
Humans: Most dont give a shit
Gnomes: Who gives a fuck what gnomes think
Dwarves: Frown upon it but dont outlaw it
Duergar: Dykes get the axe
Elves: They celebrate it because elves
Sea Elves: Full degenerates
Wood Elves: Hide yo lesbians
High Elves: They accept it but still expect them to behave like ladies
Drow: Encourage it because of misandry
Orcs: They are forced into heterosexuality
Goblinoids: Its a privilege of high society
Kobolds: Bisexuality is ok, lesbians are exiled
Dragonborns: As you would expect
Thri-Kreen: No homosexuality
Aarakocras: Shamefur dispray
Kenku: Asexual, only mate to reproduce
Sahuagin: Identified and culled at birth
Goliaths: Excluded or exiled

Or you are you are therefore boring

no, in fact as soon as anyone in the setting so much as thinks about sex, a giant disembodied hand reaches down from the heavens and crushes them as a lispy voice booms from above "NO FUN ALLOWED"

i mean lesbians are just generally better than other people in my experience
as a dude, all my closest friends have been lesbians. you get the friendship of a woman but never have to worry about any romantic or sexual tension

You had polyandry in Greece, Tibet, Nigeria, among the Inuit, in ancient Britain. Any place with hard living might give rise to it, because you have multiple carers and a reduced number of offspring to care for. If these societies were tribal, then they were tribal - but so was most of the world at that point? Single marriages are probably more associated with the rise and spread of Christianity than anything else.

But the relevance or irrelevance of technology vs. man-woman marriages seems not that important to the admitted discussion of a fantasy society? Which in nature is already going to be drastically different from whatever route our world has mapped out for itself (and you seem to be seeing all of history as a progression to some ultimate end too, in the sense of you add 1 and 1 and 1 and 1 and eventually you get to, I don't know, Victorian England or something).

This is the saddest post anyone has made on Veeky Forums is a long-ass time.

>You can refer to this list: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_matrilineal_or_matrilocal_societies

A quick look at this list confirms my suspiscion.

>Organization level hardly plays into it.
You need to tie a man to a land if you want him to fight for it. That's what mariage is about, and that's how nations can exist as nations.

Sure okay, minor tribes can exist and not abide by this law, until they come in competition with people that do.

>i mean lesbians are just generally better than other people in my experience
Holy fuck dude you clearly don't know many lesbians, or lesbian relationships.
They can get really fucking bad past the college years

I didn't write that yuripandering trash, friend.

No, your post win that.
Not everyone is the same and have the same things happen to them.

It's maximum soyboy

Yet your what is boring is your stupid post not the yuri.

Man, I made the post you're replying to and I still think you're a bigger retard than that sadsack.

Up your butt

Nigga, you seem to be huffing the yuri so hard your brain is rotting

t. moron huffing hairy man ass so hard his brain turned into rotten mush shaped like a man's ass.

>you seem to be seeing all of history as a progression to some ultimate end too
Not at all, quite the opposite. Patrilinear succession is objectively superior to matrilinear succession for reasons explained, hence cultures would adopt it or be crushed by cultures who adopt it.

In a fantasy setting, if dark arts would give insane benefits to one culture, that would have the same effect ; they would spread through the world, either by conquests or by attempts to resist conquest. Same with any kind of technology, be it mechanical or social - and that's what patrilinear succession is. A social technology which people of my setting discovered.

>But the relevance or irrelevance of technology vs. man-woman marriages seems not that important to the admitted discussion of a fantasy society?
I totally accept that in a fantasy setting where women can fight and work as well as men, matrilinear succession would be the way to go, but this is not the case in my setting.

Pretty dang sure.

It has been a while.

Everything is legal in Ancapistian besides breaking the NAP.

Like it should be

>Is lesbianism allowed in your setting? Why/why not?

Most of my settings make no big deal about it but if a player wants to play a lesbian or trap I'm dropping the game or kick them, whatever works better.

I don't play with degenerates.

See what I mean? Your grammar and insults are almost as bad as your fetish.

user.
You're the sort of sadsack that actually makes me think /pol/ has a point.

You see that you are a dumb and boring faggot.

Then read his post again but this time use your brain.

That he's so spineless and afraid of romance he only feels comfortable around women that have zero potential for sexual interest in him?

Yes, but I don't really allow in depth erp or anything.
Its just a character choice, and as a giant yurifag I respect it as long as they aren't be obnoxious and making it an obvious fetish thing.