Why the IG hate?

40k is much less consistent compared to fantasy.

>Eternal crusade
Someone still dares to play this shovelware garbage?
>Why the IG hate?
Because they are obnoxious militaryfags that are often have hard on on nazi fashion, history and ideology?

Camo patterns are now considered "nazi"? Get the fuck out of here nad take that shitty image with you.

#NOTALLNAZI!!
#HITLERWASRIGHT
#IMPERIALGUARDPRIDE

Get a good grip of yourself and give it a shake.

Introducing IG would be a great idea, and making them would require a new skeleton and animations that would work on other smaller guys, like heretics or Tau.
Here's the thing: It's a great idea, and with all great ideas for this game YOU made it, as in "a player cam up to it", so the canadian fucks who don't know shit about making videogames won't come up with anything resembling your great idea, or they will try to force you to add this great idea with the ingame workshop (which still hasn't added shit).

No back to the idiots who say that, it's just plain out memes. You couldnt' have a serious lore discussion with this scum, so why is it bothering you?
it's clearly vietnam and starship troopers inspired, stop trying so hard.

imperial guard at the most fucking OP faction on the tabletop at the moment

Autism.

Reminder to stop replying to bait

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What's wrong with the wehrmacht aestethic?
They are hands down some of the most fashionable uniforms of the 1900s.

Because IG players are huge fucking spergs that spend their days talking about their inferiority complex towards Marines, debate how "realistic" stuff should be in 40k and act like they're all badass Afghanistan veterans.
Also, y'all can't shut the fuck up about your armies

This. There's like 5 Guard guys in our store and 1 Guard girl. All 5 guys won't shut the fuck up about humanity fuck yeah and random military stuff. The girl however, just thinks Ogryn are cute, Sentinels are cute and tanks are cute. Plus she thinks people barking orders is fun.

So basically it's a case of 5 guys with autism and 1 girl with autism.

No guard girl at our store but the guard guys are just like that, sad

nothing wrong with the wehrmacht aestethic, what's wrong is the historical baggage attatcjed to said imagery

>The girl however, just thinks Ogryn are cute, Sentinels are cute and tanks are cute. Plus she thinks people barking orders is fun.
I'm like that girl but I'm a guy, what do?

You're missing out on some good girl autism. She gets into character, like a female Zapp.

"Shoot better you fools!"
"Stop running you idiots!"
"Die more for me!"
"Stab faster!"

That means you have a cute personality.

compared to marines they are.
how are you trying to justify a catachan jungle fighter winning a fight against 3 chaos marines on his own with no ammo

Orks were absurd enough. I don't even think they we're supposed to be elite or anything, just your bog standard boyz who could somehow outtank marines.

Fair enough, nazi germany losing was possibly the worst thing that could've happened to western civilization at the time.

that is not really what I am wondering about though. Even if the CJF would die, does that mean they would run away screaming like little girls? Just because they are out matched, that does not mean they would suddenly become a bunch of little girl cowards that needs to be shot to prevent them from running away .Take the fall of Cadia for example. I am sure the Cadians faced horrors like the traitor marines and daemons, yet they still fought to the last, even those they got curb stomped. Why do people think all guardsmen are the equivalent of conscripted idiots with no discipline or loyalty? It is not even like the lore of 40k keeps it vague on what the guardsmen are like, there are at least 3 examples of the guardsmen being the opposite of what I just described. I am not arguing a guardsmen should be able to solo a marine, I am arguing that if you are gonna argue lore. then actually go read some. And really, the issue can be solved by just having guardsmen fight orks. Yeah the player base cannot handle that, but most people on that forum are not arguing that the player base is too small.

>people actually felt his hard for (((boomer))) ZoG propaganda.

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what's ZoG?

Zionist Occupation Government

lol, another idiot conspiracy theorist

while the guard are the average dude with some skill and training they're not the average 40k player nor army which is marines.

also it's the internet, hyperbole is funnier

Becase when you compare the advrage veteran guard to your advrage space marine in both ability and gear the guardsmen is fucked and having a game where there standing toe to toe whould break immersion worse then ork boys being able to stand toe to toe with marines. If this is implimented your going to have to look more to an inquisition sponcered temple sionice core then normal guard.

To be honest scions would be pretty ok. Make them statistically inferior but with access to fancy toys and versatile loadouts. Game's dead anyway so it doesn't matter.

Sincerely, I don't see more hate about IG than any other army... Maybe you are projecting a little because you ara an IGfag.

Kommissars are actually based on russian propaganda officers.
You just have a fixation on your nazi theory, which is why you see that everywhere.

Oh yeah, and they look completely different.

Just don't reply to him. He's only here for (you)s.

>hurr durr professional German army were all evil Nazis, not just soldiers doing their job, they were the same as SS
Neck yourself.

Well, she is right. Tanks a cute, CUTE!

FUCKING THIS
People love to get panties in a twist about nazism but their aesthetics game is on point

>muh clean wehrmacht
Topkek

When every guard fluff piece ends with "And just when things were looking the bleakest and all seemed lost, the space marines showed up and saved the day!" You get a little bitter.

Wehrmacht did lots of bad shit, but what is missed is that every army in the period did lots of bad shit wherever they went. An exception were colonial forces, like Moroccans and Indians, who weren't invested or empowered enough to torment whatever French village they liberated. Where the dispute comes in is how much the SS and Wehr overlapped. They did work together on tormenting slavs and so forth, but not systematically.

I don't get why I even have to say this. Our perceptions of world war 2 are so warped its starting to fray on both sides and incorrect history is being 'corrected' by the inverse falsehood.

>Nazis weren't well trained or effective, they totally sucked in every way
>America didn't win the war singlehandedly, that means they did nothing at all!
>Peal harbor wasn't as devastating as we think it to be, that means we were always winning and Japan was always fucked.

To be fair, japan WAS always fucked.

In the long term, but 1941 was the year of retreat for the Americans.

>1941
They only joined December of that year, doesn't leave much time for retreating

>But buttons are not shiny

My sides

I don't know whats more hilarious, that pathetic reasoning or having to use 2nd ed commissars to fit his argument.

youtube.com/watch?v=PiLVAz-Jczg

This perfectly sums up being an Imperial Guard fan. You turn around and it turns out the other guy is a closet Nazi.

>The guards are all a bunch of cannon fodders that needs to be killed to stop them from shitting their pants and running away.
This is canonically true.

Ex-40k fan here, I liked Chaos and Imperial guard back in the day. Let me say that its really the dichotomy of overblown wank and hate that got me out of this hobby for good.

I liked IG when they were diverse, cannon fodder could coexist with specialists from desert and winter heavy worlds, and they all had their ups and downs. They were "all of the above" in terms of how humans adapted to warfare in the galaxy. But fuck me for liking that, we have to push this garbage to an unbearable level to accommodate the toxic fucking culture that developed around the game.

The amount of whiny self righteous bullshit that comes from moralfagging in a cartoony bleak universe is unbearable to anyone not up their own ass about this hobby. People love 40k but hate it when people don't share the same view they have of it; more so than the worst LoTR elitist or Star Wars purist.

>And even then, one Ork Slugga can rip through an entire squad of Imperial Guard by himself in both canon and in every edition of the tabletop prior to sixth.
Skimming the first page of that thread gave an ulcer

Is this some actual Greenskins Fuck Yeah?

Because that's what the tabletop rules say. You see Guard are real good at shooting people, but the second an Ork, Traitor, Nid, Daemon, or Grey Knight looking for some new headgear gets to them, they get crushed hard, because melee isn't their thing. In the old editions shooting can cause unit to run, it's not as certain as melee, since you need to kill a certain number of the unit for a morale break, while melee is kill more than they do. and then pretty much every other army was fearless or effectively so.

New rules actually benefit them more, since any death causes morale test at the end of a turn, and so long as they have commissar nearby, no matter how bad it turns out, they only lose one. And that commissar can serve multiple units, with no issue.

>Because they are obnoxious militaryfags that are often have hard on on nazi fashion, history and ideology?
u fookin wot m8, i'll slap ur shit

I mean if we're going by tabletop then guard can sometimes do pretty well.

I remember back in 3rd (or maybe 4th? the codex with doctrines) my command squad, commissar and sanctioned psyker with force weapon and the medal that buffs your stats gave a lot of people a nasty surprise.

Not to be That Guy or anything, but the human Empire in their OTHER game is unambiguously German. I can't exactly fault people for drawing the parallels, especially if they're coming over from Fantasy.

Literally /pol/ wish fulfillment. Never heard anyone claim this

It is true that a lot of IG players are fat, repulsive, cringey and awkward wehrboos though

...no they bloody well aren't. They're, at MOST, a medley between Germans and Russians, aesthetically. Their *purpose* is absolutely Russian, but design wise? German as fuck.

It is still important not to propagate the "white Wehrmacht" just because you wanna feel justified about playing the one and only squad that was made entirely of god-fearing Christians that didn't do no wrong in Company of Heroes.

President Eisenhower claimed a "real difference between a German soldier and Hitler and his criminal gang" and there has been an effort to separate Jerries into "hardliner Nazis" and "just following orders" soldiers, but the Wehr's atrocities weren't isolated incidents at all. Even before the war, they've been involved in some very questionable acts on the borders with Poland and whatnot. Russian political officers captured in the Eastern Front were meant to be shot on sight, and the Wehr committed abuse and rape in what was meant to be a war of annihilation. Soldiers wrote letters back home where they were expressing how happy they were to execute partisans on the spot, or arrange their "disappearances" for the mere suspicion of them being in the Resistance.

Erwin Rommel is the Drizzt Do'Urden of the German Army - everyone wants to copy his chivalrous attitude, refusal to abuse civilians and PoWs and be that one renegade German who makes for a fine rival and not a villain. But Rommel was an outlier, and he still was in close with Hitler all the way until his implication in that assassination plot. Hell, in France, Rommel authorized setting civilian houses on fire to provide smoke cover or feigning surrender to lure enemies into HMG fire.

The way Wehr waged war was criminal from the institutional policy. They committed more sins than any other army, even with your assertion.

>Rommel authorized setting civilian houses on fire to provide smoke cover or feigning surrender to lure enemies into HMG fire.
Here's the thing though. You acting like this is some tear jerking evil shit kind of betrays a one sided view of allied crimes. Before the D-Day invasions there was a massive bombing campaign that gutted villages and kill an inordinate amount of French civilians; I'd say thats on a similar level of disregard for law.

I'm not here to dismiss their crimes, but I will call bullshit on whitewashing the allies. Especially considering this whitewash extends into the decolonization wars to which little attention is paid to.

With that in mind, I see no reason for how IG has anything to do with Germans rather than just being a perfect faction for a WW2 infantry fan. It's not like we haven't romanticized the shit of the "band of brothers" trope in movies, from Kelly's Heroes to, well, the actual Band of Brothers show.

The only problem that stems from it is that WW2 is a painfully normie historical interest; everyone's dad likes to watch reruns of Where Eagles Dare and Saving Private Ryan, everyone has some veiled interest in this shit. I used to be that kid who got straight As in History all the way up to high school, and that's all mostly from playing Civilization, AoE and watching a fuckton of historical dramas with my dad; the interest in actual books and sources came late in high school and I had to get through a lot of bias that I took from stuff like that Battle of the Bulge movie.

It probably doesn't help that most WW2 media tries to really focus on the "practical" and "tactical" aspects of the war. Nobody wants to play Hearts of Iron as Germany and tax themselves to hell with running death camps in their land, and I enjoy being able to play CoH with my in-game announcer making allusions to "defending the Vaterland" and not "implementing the Final Solution".

So the typical IG fan that is portrayed here tries to appear knowledgable about WW2 history because they consumed some media and bought into the Rommel story. If we weren't turning the Wehr into equal rivals in media for the longest time, we'd just see Ameriboos with a boner for Patton instead.

>I enjoy being able to play CoH with my in-game announcer making allusions to "defending the Vaterland" and not "implementing the Final Solution".
I think you're overestimating how often the Holocaust was actually played up for propaganda. If anything the Nazis made damn sure to appear like they cared, releasing propaganda showing well fed prisoners working diligently in the nice camps they're being housed. It was a shameful secret and they knew it, which is why a lot of care was paid to dismantling them and removing evidence towards the end of the war. Even more mainstream ideas like the hunger plan weren't trumpeted for propaganda purposes.

>Here's the thing though. You acting like this is some tear jerking evil shit kind of betrays a one sided view of allied crimes. Before the D-Day invasions there was a massive bombing campaign that gutted villages and kill an inordinate amount of French civilians; I'd say thats on a similar level of disregard for law.

user, you're taking one example of me showing that Erwin Rommel wasn't anywhere from the crystal clear Just Doing My Duty anti-hero that was propagated for a long time in the media and which basically elevated the Wehraboo hero cult into what it is right now.

Yes, the Red Army committed a fuckton of atrocities, and so did the Western Allies, but we still need to take scope into attention.

It bears repeating that the Wehrmacht *was* in fact committing institutionalized war crimes. They were implied in the Holocaust; the defense ministry of the Reich came up with an aptly called Hungerplan because they accounted that the Wehr would sustain itself by pillaging farmlands; the Wehr would work closely with the Einsatzgruppe in rounding up undesirables so that they could be executed; the Wehr occupation of Serbia was simply tragic, just look up the name of Franz Bohme. Within a few months they managed to rack up twenty thousand casualties among civilians; the policy towards Soviet PoWs was to simply put them in a fenced area and starve them to death; see Kriegsgerichtsbarkeitserlass that basically stated that since the war against Stalin was a war against Judeo-Bolshevism itself, any war crimes committed would be instantly excused, letting the soldiers freely rape and pillage. These Commissar orders led to the estimated deaths of around 100,000 people, maybe more.

I am not saying that every single rank-and-file Wehr draftee was an evil mook; I'm saying that they belonged to an organization that was downright murderous, that mandated evil acts, and that it should be held in much higher contempt than the Allies [and they're not excused either].

I was mostly really saying that I still enjoy WW2 as window dressing for my entertainment, so I generally understand that people want to play around with German tech and units without feeling like they're literally Hitler, but I do acknowledge that it's pretty bad history and shouldn't be taken as gospel, but a ton of debates and attitudes around WW2 on the internet are based off of flagrantly wrong information anyway.

I feel like we're not even talking about the same things. Its not about 'more or less' its about the types of activity that is found in the war.

I said they did bad things, and that they were involved in the crimes; all of my 'defense' is that cooperation between Wehr and SS wasn't systematic. This isn't redeeming the Wehr of their crimes as much as specifying that they had their own bad things to do.

My entire point is that when you're comparing armies, things like abuse of prisoners and civilians isn't localized to one army. Canadians famously executed prisoners and enemy wounded, American Marines decapitated up to 60% of their enemies depending on the theater, and the Brits still tell fond stories of the torture techniques they used during and after the war for intelligence.

If you're anti warcrimes this is worth discussing. But ignoring them because the Nazis are worse is the same thinking that the Soviet Union relied on for the rest of its existence.

>If you're anti warcrimes this is worth discussing. But ignoring them because the Nazis are worse is the same thinking that the Soviet Union relied on for the rest of its existence.

Nowhere have I said I am exonerating the Allies, and in fact mentioned that the Red Army and the Western Allies had their own atrocities. It is still a fact that Wehrmacht has still been much more notorious with them, and it would still be a mistake to say that because Allies had their own crimes that the Wehr is not at all different.

I am all in favor for calling out all sorts of bad shit that happened on all sides, but we're talking about Wehrabooism and how it relates to IG players and not listing who did what wrong. Wehrmacht was still - and that's a fact - complicit in atrocities on a much grander scale than their enemies, and that's my point.