He optimizes his character instead of roleplaying

>he optimizes his character instead of roleplaying

>he can't do both

There's an argument to be made in favor of optimization from a roleplaying perspective.

Long story short, if you want to roleplay - and I mean actually, seriously roleplay - da best somethinger in the world, then not having the highest possible score in somethinging is plain nonsensical.

Of course, that works both ways. Having your worldwide MMA champion crushed by an average thug is as immersion-breaking as if your average thug beat the enemy champion.

There's also the question of whether or not the campaign actually asks for optimization or focuses on character development. Not that it can't do both, but it's as legitimate to be pissed at a pacifist D&D/Pathfinder player than to be pissed at someone who doesn't describe anything in FATE.

You can scream Stormwind Fallacy all you fucking want, in actual play, I have never seen an optimizer who actually fucking roleplays as anything but his most optimal facet.

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>he doesn't optimize and roleplay SO poorly that it creates an underflow error on both ends and wraps back around to being a masterpiece

Is shit like this reportable? This faggot made this exact same topic yesterday, I swear.

If you roleplay around the goal of "I wanna be the best X in the world" without any actual character beyond that, you have a shitty character, and are a shitty roleplayer.

>build character that's only semi-competent
>lots of roleplay features
>have fun with character
>die in combat only 2 sessions in because my character isn't built properly

To that, I agree. But think, for instance, about a character who has the most elite skill in something shady as fuck, but was raised to be honorable all the same. Like, he's the best sniper in the whole damn world, but he won't kill an innocent. I feel like those could make for some interesting scenes.