I play mainly kitchen table edh and draft

That OP is proxy-shilling to try and make some chinese guy some money for shipping shoddy fakes and disappearing when you complain?

This thing happened in the past, and it's happening now, and it's still the same "Wow, these proxies look great and I swear they're not shit anymore!" and "Don't print them yourself, pay some guy 100x the cost of the paper and ink for some obvious fakes, that makes sense!"

Please, don't act like we don't already know you for being what you are, and that there's any, any reason at all, to extend to you a measure of reasonable doubt.

Remember, defending anticonsumer practices like lootboxes, drm, day one dlc and the reserved list is the only way companies will survive, so be a good customer and unquestioningly support harmful business models!

Im not working minimum wage and I make $40 an hour. The cost for me to set up a printer/ buy blue or black core paper is way more pain in the ass then just paying a premium. i got my cards 324 cards for $90ish dollars.

Maybe you work minimum wage and thinks that is alot. I however do not and spend my money on stupid stuff, but their being stupid like playing MTG and being retarded which is paying $4+ a card.

>pay chinese man money for shitty fakes

That sounds much more anti-consumer than just making simple proxies yourself.

>Im not working minimum wage and I make $40 an hour.

Working one hour a day shilling isn't really anything to brag about.

You're smarter than you pretend to be, user. Don't be so disingenuous and just admit that you're pushing talking points you've hand-picked in order to convince others to not invest money in MtG cards, whether it's personal use or collecting.

No I just want more people to play the game. This is the funnest card game I have ever played. But the business model is not gonna last. I remember 4 yeara ago people loved playing it now my local lgs is dead.

Is your store also on the brink of closing? I imagine they're all leaving because of the warped cards being printed. Especially since better digital games are out there and the value of cards are declining. Such a shame that such a great game is dying, we should all sell, sell, sell!

You're even more obvious than that. You fall back on all of the same talking points no matter what persona you adopt. Just accept that we can see through your facades and stop pretending.

If part of the cost of proxies is shilling them for the rest of your life on /tg I'd rather pay for the $30 fetches

The best part of an obvious agenda is that the more things he tries, the more he reveals his methods. It's like having a key to a code, and the enemy still pushing out their secrets.

>too rich to resort to printing proxies yourself but too poor to buy the real thing
Poverty really is a mental illness

More like being smart. Ever heard of substitute goods?

Well, take a copy machine or a printer, do your print givin zero fuck about how lookalike to the real things it's cames out and for casual play any non-idiotic player is joust fine wih it. If you want an indistinguible thing to scam me off selling it to me or trading it for a legittimate card that's totally another thing. I'm totally ok with proxies but I respect more a piece of paper on a sleeve with written on it " Hi, we are Noble Yerarch now" that those fraud inducing chinese scam

Mods, can you please just start deleting these threads ASAP?

We all know it's nothing more than propaganda aimed at harming the MTG community so just fucking delete them. This cultural warfare bullshit is getting out of hand, we should do our best to keep this trash from ruining our hobbies when we can.

Why would even bother using a printer? Just scribble some shit on the back of a napkin and call it a day.

At this point I'm 100% sure that these threads must ironic and/or some kind of meme, that I simply don't get.

Hey man that`s fine. Feel free to print off entire deck of knock offs if you never plan on seeing the inside of a real LGS.

Not op but our group is okay with proxies so long as they have / are:

>recognizable from a distance if weve seen your deck before.
>can tell color and color identity at a glance.
>all rules text is on the proxy.
>card is legible.

We're not playing mental magic.

Nobody shills for chinaman fuck ordering proxies from china, no thanks. But there are a lot of 'color printed on cardstock and sleeved' proxies in our group.

We do not game at a gaming shop, mtg is a game we sometimea play to fill time between rpg sessions.

My playgroup has TONS of those. One guy made a bunch of alt art cards in photoshop so his deck would be nothing but anime girls.

I have an ezuri that is a full art iorveth from the witcher.
And ive got borderless full art basic lands ive been using since ktk.
Its fun.

I should try doing custom lands and tokens, I'm sure the LGS wouldn't give a shit about those.

If your playgroup really doesn't care, you can print 25 cards for a dollar at most print shops. You don't need to pay the China Jew just because you can't pay the Seattle Jew.

Check that persecution complex.
There's a lot of things to be mad about MtG before even going into their shitty community management.

Check their facebook, real people with their real names and pictures are voicing many of the same opinions you read in Veeky Forums
>The card stock is noticeably worse even while sleeved
>The game is still disgustingly expensive
>Local game stores are closing or having trouble firing events
>Art is stale, boring and samey, nobody likes the Gatewatch characters
>Cancelling Duel Decks to reinstate the previously cancelled Event Decks under another name is stupid and makes the company look senile

Nobody gives a shit about your /pol/ boogeyman in the real world and yet they still complain Magic is not trying half as hard as it used to.

>Local game stores are closing or having trouble firing events
And this is mostly because of their shitty CM. They seem to be actively courting shitty people who would rather spend $50 on a mythic than $5 on a bottle of body wash. Turns out I don't want to play a game that says "yes, come to our official events wearing filthy clothes without bathing yourself, we will make sure no one tells you to be socially acceptable in public!"

That's not even getting into all of the cunts who turn into a goddamned salt mine because you need to read a card at the prerelease, or heaven forbid want to interact beyond silently pointing cards at other cards. It's ostensibly a social game that is populated by some of the most toxic (in more than one way) people I've ever had the displeasure of being around.

If WotC wants people to show up they need to make the most basic attempt at enforcing social norms and the concept that this is a social game for socially acceptable people, especially at FNM. I've seen so many people come in for one week, then get totally turned off by greasy smelly fedoras insulting their intelligence for not having every set memorized, not knowing the top 8 decks of every format, or (and I swear I saw this) getting shit on for not having a game day winner playmat.

Get the shitheads out of the game and non-shitheads will come in, I promise.

Nigger, I've played all across the USA including Starcitygames and Card Kingdom. That shit doesn't happen at 80+ people events, and it doesn't happen at 12 people FNM. It's a fucking meme pushed by people who don't play Magic and need an excuse to pretend they're "the real target audience" while not doing shit other than complain about the people who actually spend their time and money keeping MtG alive.

>kitchen
if it just for kitchen, I'm ok with it.

If they really don't care about proxies then what excuse do you have to not just use a decent color printer and put paper cards in front of playing cards in the slips or something like me and my friends did when we were ten?

Enough with your fucking shilling moron. If you were really a laid back kitchen table player you wouldn't be here bitching.

>how are proxies relevant in draft
OP is brigading and doesn't actually play

I assume because a cube is still drafting.

Proxys are fine. When you talk about "buying proxies," you're talking about fake cards. Normal proxies that are obviously not real are great for casual play. Fake cards that are made to look real are unfair in the hands of players who use them in tournaments against other honest players who limited themselves in the same ways that everyone is limited: card price and rarity. By buying those fake cards, you support that industry.

No, the cards are definitely real. They're just not made by the wizards.

>it's unfair because you didn't pay
Are you American

Yes just like a fleshlight is definetely a real pussy just not made of meat.