"old school"

You think their trolling breaks any of the rules? If being a dumb ass on Veeky Forums was something you could report and the mods'd do something about it, there'd be no one here.

So, what we've got is a few aged cunts, withered and full of sand, hopping around to air out their salt. Fine mental image that is.

>Trolling only begets trolling.

Aye. Why let them fire their shots and not sling something back? Tip-toeing around granddad and acting like there's anything to be afraid of is a bad joke. What's the worse they can do? Tell me how bad their games are?

Shitslinging just means you end up with more shit anywhere. Nobody benefits from it, it just perpetuates itself and gets worse and worse. No response is the best response of all.

I'd say it's better to end up with two flavors of shit as opposed to just the stale old kind sprinkled everywhere. Perhaps if the old bags get covered in the crap they'll think twice about dumping their turds out on the lawn.

Or maybe if people stopped reacting to it it'd simmer down to a low, baseline level that's much more tolerable than an active shitstorm. Responses only make it worse. Responding isn't something you to do help, it's something you do because it's cathartic, because you enjoy it or the feeling of righteousness you get when you do it. And fuck, I'm not immune, but I know rationally that it cannot and will never help, it'll just make things worse for everybody, me included.

That's a terrible idea. All that does is make them think that any opposition has left or been made quiet, so that they can run their mouths even louder. If anything, things have been simmering for far too long already, and instead of dying down they've just gotten more bold and plan on getting bolder.

Grognards gonna grog. If they weren't stubborn cunts, they wouldn't be grognards. At least let the more timid grognards get afraid enough to try and get the bold ones back in line.

>waaah stop liking what I don't like

You mean to tell me OSR players are all Minnesotans?

That's not really been my experience with the OSR group.

Sure, there are grognards and people who will debate ascending vs descending AC like it's an article of the credo...

But you've also got groundbreaking designers - often young designers - working on really weird esoteric projects. Some of it crosses firmly in to hipster nonsense but so it goes. Some of them are salty; most are pretty chill. Much more chill and accepting than the 5E threads, less histrionic than the 40k people, and fairly open to system-less and setting-less content.

For every OSR grog who looks at 2E as "abominable new heresy", there's a dozen who have tried and used Fate or other systems and come back to old-school systems for sensible, well-articulated reasons.

So... given that, what exactly is the problem here?

>But you've also got groundbreaking designers

I'm gonna need something more than just that line. Without something to help support that statement, we've just got a group of grognards and hipsters spinning their wheels.

Now, I'm not doubting you. I'm genuinely curious. But, I'm gonna need something more than that to convince myself it's not just people trapping themselves in the past and chaining themselves with nostalgia, real or imagined.

>I'm gonna need something more than just that line.
Sure!

If you want to see the new hotness in the OSR line, check out Patrick Stuart's "Veins of the Earth" book. You can probably track down a PDF without me holding your hand.

It's a big black book of why caves hate you. It contains a bunch of unique and interesting monsters (probably about 50% of which are insufferably ungameable, but the rest are great), plus rules for caving, climbing, treasure, etc.

It's a wonderfully useful and evocative book. And it's theoretically (but not actually) built on an OSR framework. There's never been a game book like it; I can't imagine any modern dynastic game company producing it.

But there's also huge amount of homebrew content and discussion. Check out: goblinpunch.blogspot.ca/2015/07/the-5-types-of-ethical-dilemmas.html
For a typical example of people in the OSR scene really thinking about the nature of games and game design.

There's another secret. Nobody in the OSR scene really gives two shits about the rules. Everyone ends up running a mashed-together homebrew with rules they liked from every system, from 5E to Fiasco. There's never a question of balance or homebrew being ostracized; homebrew is all there is. OC is king in the OSR scene.