How to beat chaos

1. blanks would overwhelm navigators and fuck up warp travel
2.blanks would overwhelm astrotelepaths and fuck up warp transmissions
3. You'd kill most psykers and without them you'd kill the emperor
4. xenos can also feed chaos, so chaos isn't gonna die
. Chaos follows anyone who leaves the milky way into other galaxies, they only stuck to ours cause of the eldar (slaanesh) and humanity being a giant feast (all of the 4)

Kriegers seem fine.

>Chaos exists only in the Milky Way

Nope, GW confirmed that Chaos is omnipresent throughout the universe and the multiverse.

Ulthwe's council debated leaving the galaxy and the suggestion was dismissed since Chaos knows no limit. It will follow them to the next galaxy or be simply be there waiting for them.

There is no escaping Chaos.

1/ Races other than human feed chaos
2/ Chaos don't die if you starve them, this has literally always been the case

Came here to post this.

The fucking Eldar made the fucking Slaanesh, you fucking abysmal retard. Even orks with Gork and Mork have presence in Warp, you useless dork.

Which is bullshit though. The realm of souls is created as a field from all the living things. So there should be only a bubble of it around the respective galaxy

>and humanity being a giant feast (all of the 4)
3 Chaos gods were born before humans left when humanity compromised maybe one millionth of the galactic population. Remember that Eldar were advanced species hundred thousand years back then and had huge empire. Then Slaanesh was born but lore states that it was Eldar fault.

Basically all this crap about humans being primary source of nutrition for chaos gods is Eldar propaganda, they spawned all the Chaos gods.

*before humans left Earth

That is absolutely retarded. They were created by, feed off of, and embody human/eldar emotions. I can see maybe the warp existing everywhere, but Chaos absolutely shouldn't

>Chaos exists only in the Milky Way as evident by unproportionally large influence local population has on it and lack of adaptations among Tyranids which would be necessary if Chaos was just as widespread and strong everywhere as in our Galaxy.
I've already shown the evidence. Yet there is no evidence that Chaos influenced anything outside Milky Way. Aliens from beyond its borders are unfamiliar with Chaos and Chaos bears unproportional influence of local races. Also there is no reason for Imaterium to get twisted and distorted outside the regions where Necrons fought younger races which is, again, Milky Way.

If the prey moves, the predator follows.

>the predator follows
Unless the prey crawls from the sea onto the land where predator can't move

And you are clearly feeding Khorne.

Fuck off with your headcanon, you creeps.

Chaos is the Warp and the Warp is Chaos. The two are indivisible. The Warp is omnipresent through all universe and so is Chaos.

>I've already shown the evidence.

I hope you get hit by a truck because you showed nothing but your ignorance. The Devastation of Baal novel shows that the Tyranids see the Milky Way where it witnessed the Realm of the souls aka Warp intermingling with reality. This shows that the Tyranids have previous awareness of the Warp (The Hivemind being a massive Warp construct) but never dealt with a galaxy that has a Warp breach this extensive. However, the Tyranids only visited 12 galaxies so there sample size is incredibly small and doesn't cover the whole universe.

In the novels like Ghost Warrior one we saw Chaos attacking a Craftworld outside the galaxy. In the Ultramarine omnibus we saw a Khornate daemon preparing to assault an alien galaxy. The fucking birth of the Great Rift is said to have shaken the whole of creation. Its aftershock spreading across the universes. Strange beings in alien realities felt the power of Chaos and dreamed of fire and blood.

see the Milky way as the first place*

>novel
I wrote a novel too, bub. It means everything I said is canon. You better start believing in it because it's a fucking novel.

After the destruction of the Old World and the formation of 8 realities based on the winds of Magic, it was believed the mortals residing there that Chaos will not find them. It turned out to be not true. The text says that where there is life, Chaos will be there in time to devour and twist it.

Chaos is the ultimate cosmic predator. No matter what the prey does, Chaos will find a way. Because Chaos is our sins and we can never outrun our sins.

>After the destruction of the Old World
We aren't talking about AoS, dude

It's an official novel. Yours is just a trashy novel about ponies.

AoS is connected to 40K via the Warp. It's the same Chaos.

They are called replicae. Now theoretically a Replicae Blank army can work.but no one sane would dare to command them

>Breeding with blanks, pariahs, and culexus assassins
Dibs on the Culexus assassins

You know what? I rest my case, you won. Warhammer lore is incoherent trash and Chaoswank, you are free to follow it. I'm out.

Many Kriegers are natural born due to them fucking like crazy.
Its cannon that Krieger women are encouraged to bone as much as humanly possible

How to beat Chaos with net gain for humanity

1. Forge an Empire to preserve humanity and ensure its continuation
2. Eliminate any and all knowledge of the Immaterium as to not tempt humans to invite destruction upon themselves
3. Create a safe means to connect systems without reliance on the perilous warp and fickle navigators
4. Carefully guide humanity along its destined path to realize its psychic potential and claim domain over reality and irreality alike
5. Chaos gods die and wither into irrelevance before the psychic might of mankind
6. The Warp is no as peasful as it has ever been, shaped by the careful minds and hands of mankind

Prove me wrong, pro tip: Thou cannot

Actually, it's very simplistic. The problem here is that people due to memes and biased semi-reading of the lore formed a wrongthink idea about how the setting works. When that idea is put under scrutiny by anyone who actually knows the fluff and has proper citations, everything falls down and the so called fan rages.

ADB commented on this in his recent AMA, I think.

Unfortunately by eliminating all knowledge you are creating a chaos god of disbelief

Join us in 2nd-4th Edition Land. The lore's acceptable to great

Echo of the First Murder

But what about the Newcron?

Unfortunately, nobody asked the Primarch of the Thousand Fuckups

Check it with your group
I'm just salty about Newcrons because Matt stole my OC Donut Steel for the entire race
Because now my angry as fuck Necron Lord that gained freedom because his C'tan got eaten or locked away or something and is now on a revenge trip across the universe with a Plan to Eradicate All C'tan is now nothing special anymore

>how to beat chaos
common sense and logic, sadly both of these things have been lost for humanity a long time ago.

Breed half the humans with psykers, breed the other half with blanks

>implying you didn't steal the idea from Phaeron Rakszan

I was leading my glorious metal and ceramic legion long before that upstart even existed
I suffered through the dark days of I HOPE YOU FUCKING LIKE DESTROYERS AND IMMORTALS AND MONOLITHS
Even got three Tomb Stalkers when they were released because I was so fucking hyped to finally get a new unit
Too bad it was crap...

>Force 90% citizens of the Imperium to mate with a blank
If you had access to every Imperial vessel and the full cooperation of every blank/null/pariah in the galaxy, how many generations would it take before it's even physically possible for 90% of the Imperium's citizens to have a go with one?

>Chaos is the Warp and the Warp is Chaos

Bullshit. Today the Warp is chaotic, but it use to be very peaceful. The Warp is much, much older than the chaos gods. Three chaos gods were created during the Old Ones versus Necrontyr war. Slaanesh was created by the Eldar only twenty thousand years ago. Chaos are newbies compared to the Necron. The Warp existed long before chaos. It will exist long after chaos.

How to beat chaos
>1: rip off dune and institute gigantic Blank breeding programs
>2: that's it now humanity is all blanks
>immune to chaos taint
>demons hate them
>actively secure reality with their presence
>fuck over eldar even easier
>necrons love them

Legitimately why didn't the emperor do this

Oh look headcanon again.

Everything you said is wrong. Chaos predates the War in Heaven (See Angel Blade/Traitor's Hate) and the Warp was never peaceful.

The Daemon of Chaos codex outright say that Chaos is the Warp and the Warp is Chaos. They are indivisible.

The problem with the 40K fanbase is that we have a lot of morons reading from wikis or from jackasses pn youtube who themselves read from wikis. This creates piss poor lore knowledge.

Carnac/"daddy issues" lore should be illegal.

That hasn't always been the case, and it's an incredibly retarded, chaos wanking change.

Well, It is now so stop annoying the fuck out of me by referring to Oldcron fluff that's FOUR editions old.

Continued....

This is why guys like Alfabusa and Arch-Warhammer are the cancer on the 40K community. They do the setting a disservice and mislead the fans. This results in the setting authors and developers to become cynical and spiteful towards the fans, and I don't blame them. When memes are treated as trufax and proper lore is ignored, and this results in fans uprising whenever something new is released, the writers have the right to kick the fans in their teeth.

Chaos wank lore is cancer.

The only good lore is between 3rd and 4th.

Go back to jerking off in your new chaos codex lol

This is why Chaos is the worst part of 40k.

Keeping the knowledge of the warp from humanity is as useful as banning sex education in hopes of stopping teenagers from having sex. It's fucking retarded way of going about it.

I dunno about that. The T'au leadership are employing the same philosophy.
So far the T'au exposure and corruption by Chaos is extremely minimal.

After all, the greatest weapon against Chaos is ignorance.

Tau are different. The soul of a tau barely registers in the warp, so when combined with state-mandated ignorance it's easy to keep them from possession. Not so much for humans

Or could it be that the Tau literally do not have enough warp presence for anyone in the warp to give a fuck about them? Tau are the bargain bin edition of the blank breeding program suggestion.

Humanity is on the cusp of evolving into a truly psychic race, as has been the case for millennia

the Emperor's Great Crusade was launched in part not simply to unite Humanity but to ensure that psykers were properly contained as they became ever-more numerous

in theory this change if managed properly would be even more effective than your suggestion

more to the point it doesn't rely on a constant reproduction of blanks or an attempt to round up 90% of all humans alive in the 30th/40th millennium, which would be impossible, or make long-range Warp travel impossible by EXTINGUISHING THE FUCKING ASTRONOMICAN, dumbass

because the blond (and red hair, including in non-caucasian populations) allele is positively selected by mates, not randomly allocated like that shit you've got going on with your prostate

pariahs aren't just fucked because they're recessive, they're fucked because the gene itself causes anything with a soul to fucking hate them

it's a wonder they're not all abandoned at birth or clawed out of the womb in disgust

>After all, the greatest weapon against Chaos is ignorance.

tell that to Horus

Stop arguing with Carnac for fuck's sake. The nuLore is shit and on his side. Just wait for the wheel to turn, Chaos Undivided becoming prevalent and Chaoswank waning again. It's gonna happen inevitably.

Probably not before 40k gets Sigmar'd

Which is why Slaanesh is absent in 40k and the Great Horned Rat has launched his very own Black Crusade in celebration of his promotion, right?

I would honestly love that. Slaanesh cults start getting confusing silence and no more miracles, there's huge signs of unrest in the warp.
Then, suddently, Skaven start pouring out of the Eye of Terror fucking everyone up because no one knows what's going on

For poorly explained reasons human cloning in the Imperium is a bit odd.
They've cloned great military commanders who have all been walking cancer bags with the worst luck possible, cloned IG regiments that seem to attract Chaos like /pol/ attracts a victimisation complex and more.
It's never actually been explained in detail and mostly hand waved away because it's clear GW never really stopped to think about it.
Which is a shame because cloning opens up a whole new level of inhumanity for the imperium. From massed produced blanks to be thrown at psychic problems until the SoS, SoB and/or GKs show up to deal with it, to cloned psyker experimentation facilities that would make the astronomican blush.

Give it time

t. Ginger (which also makes me a pariah)

Also as another user said, the general population hates pariahs, it would have to be forced breeding with a commissar literally standing over the pairing to make sure they fuck.

As for how this doesn't beat chaos, think about times when humans have successfully wiped out a virus through vaccination, only to have a 'superbug' rear its head after a couple of generations. A few decades after everyone gets souls and everything's rosy, there will be nobody that remembers the horrors of chaos, and everyone will succumb in a kind of pandemic.

>Its cannon that Krieger women are encouraged to bone as much as humanly possible

S-source...?

>There are people who still don't get what the fucking point of Malal was
>There are people who STILL HAVEN'T NOTICED the entire Horus Heresy was set into motion by Tzeentchian Machinations- Magnus, The fucking Daemon who showed the 'Primoridal truth'
>There are people who still have not asked the question- "Why would a chaos god of change remain a -Chaos- God of Change at all?" linking this back to the above
>People still not getting that All of Chaos Undivided was founded on Tzeentch's behest- and it's entire purpose was to overshadow Malal- which is why dear Lorgar is under convenient House arrest trying to "Contemplate the true nature of the Chaos Gods" in meditation"
>People still not getting why Chaos has literal Faith/worship grinding camps in their domains of people just praising 24/7 to the crack of the whip
>People still don't understand why Chaos want's to merge with the materium through it's proxies/daemons or why the Tyranids are here at all
>People still don't get why Malal was so fucking important
Chaos is doomed to Self-destruction- Tzeentch is living on borrowed time and invented Undivided to prolong it's existence so Malal and it's offspring literally can't push the reset button and return the place to the realm of souls, something it was capable of due to being the only Chaos god CAPABLE OF LEAVING THE WARP VIA MINOR RITUAL, and Tzeentch, via it's data-mining ability learned of this- as a God of change, it cannot remain static- thus stagnant, and must eventually cease to exist in it's current state, this- being the means to change- which is either merging the warp with reality, or FUCKING MERGING WITH THE NID HIVEMIND ATTRACTED BY THE SHEER AMMOUNT OF LIFEFORCE THE EMPEROR IS GIVING OFF Chaos as a whole is supported by mass worship, and belief, as being constructs of aspects of life is not enough to keep them collective, hence Undivided, which Imperial Truth'd the fuck out of Malal which prevents it doing it's job.

Kriegers vitae womb technique is not human cloning as far as i can gather up from the slivers of info on the subject. It is probably just an artificial womb.
But this is what i like about 40k. The intentional vauge parts. I can envision it as this but you can envision it as human clones. A sick fuck can envision it as something like skaven breeders. Unfortunately modern 40k writers dont get that somethings are better left vauge on purpose and they try to force their own version of 40k down peoples throats.

Meanwhile
It's literally shown that Malal has the capacity and power to parasitize on it's brother's makeup via their own infighting, and get's stronger as they synergize by nature, meaning Chaos was/is doomed to a cycle of repetition of them getting stronger, but only Malal reaping the benefits of their powers to knock them all back down again, One of Malal's boons is literally Wargear that fucking DEVOURS WARP TAINT/ANYTHING REMOTELY CHAOS TIER and feeds it's to it's user in it's natural state (Malal is literally the motherfucking Cosmic Recycler) meaning that if one were to say, have a parasitic Malalian warp-axe handy and one were to- brain a Chaos Champion on the verge of Daemonic ascention with it, you could actually steal that bit of the Chaos Gods that they send down to supplant the recipients soul for your own, and remove the whole "copyrighted to Chaos Undivided.co" thing because you're not an extension of any of the four, or Mala for that matter- Yes, Malal makes neutral Daemon Princes a possibility via it's parasitism.

Meanwhile, Tzeentch, Kvecthing about all of this, blows it's staff up in order to feed the entropy that would otherwise have it cease to be due to not changing- and is has since, bought itself time by feeding this narrative with retarded emotional down syndrome Traitor marines ready to spread the 'good word' at their beck and call, playing off the emotional extremes and everything taken to 100% thanks to the excess of Slaanesh, which set all of this in motion in the first place

Except, now Ynnead is up, Slaanesh is probably fucking Sigmar, and again, it's own servants don't even like it that much due to the whole ban thing it did with it's daemonettes a whole back, and because it's also somehow fucking fulgrim in a host body, though not one to host it's power as a physical manifestation in realspace

>because the blond (and red hair, including in non-caucasian populations) allele is positively selected by mates, not randomly allocated like that shit you've got going on with your prostate
>pariahs aren't just fucked because they're recessive, they're fucked because the gene itself causes anything with a soul to fucking hate them
>it's a wonder they're not all abandoned at birth or clawed out of the womb in disgust

That's not how recessive alleles work. Even if all blue eyed people fucked brown eyed people and aborted all blue eyed babies, it doesn't mean that blue eye allele would disappear from the gene pool. Same with blanks.

So the solution is to pretty much Get Lorgar out of Hiding and Have him show off the Sons of Malice- Chaos get's ruined forever, and Tzeentch fucks off, then everything falls apart after that- The Emperor's resurrection can go underway once Epheral Stern, Ynnead, All the Loyal Primarchs, Cypher, and a buttload of Navigators get together- They still need to amass the firepower to sort out the Void Dragon though, which is the only kink in turnign Stern into a bonafide Virgin mary.

>After all, the greatest weapon against Chaos is ignorance.

Haha. No.

All that being ignorant of the warp does is make the inevitable psykers fall to daemon influence faster and make the rest of the populace follow them as some sort of messengers from god.

So we would just become a race of souless? We already have Necrons though... plus chaos would just find some other race to make out with.

Have you ever seen a female Krieger? For that matter, has anyone?

Eventually it will disappear, though, and it won't be worth saving.

No. You can't get rid of recessive allele unless you gene test every baby for that allele and then kill the positive ones.

Its good that we've developed that technology in recent years then, isn't it?

On it's own, recessive allele will never disappear from the genepool.

The Horned Rat has no presence in 40K because he has no followers in that universe.

And about Slaanesh? The Warp has no linear time or any time at all so causality is all over the place. So Slaanesh being kidnapped has no consequence especially in other realities.

Thirdly, read the picture here . You waste of space.

>t. Ginger (which also makes me a pariah)
Don't say that, user. I love you and your frizzy freckled glory.

>Dark Eldar

fuck you pal

1.You realize blanks are so rare they're in the realm of 1 out every 1,000,000,000 people or so right? With typical human biology it would take hundreds to thousands of years to get people through it.

2.Not that simple, it's not like they just need some deodorant and people will like them all the sudden. If you null the blank effect then what is the point of having them in the first place?

3. Again, this is insanely stupid. The imperium is so stupidly big that just getting all the known blanks to earth, if you could even find them, would take decades.

4. Not how that works, xenos also feed chaos. Slaneesh for example would be fine as it's got tasty eldar souls.

5. Again, you're an idiot. The imperium is so impossibly vast this would never work. There are single hive planets with populations in the 10's of billions. How do you plan to move these people, organize them, or hell even just keep track of them? How will you deal in the lost worker productivity, how will you deal with pulling soldiers off of active duty to bang some random blank? How will you contain the legions of stupidly zealous pilgrims, unwashed backwater primitives, the countless Noble houses intent on inbreeding, the mechanicus, or fringe cases like the krieg? To make this worse, your genius plan hinges on not only getting trillions of human beings to participate in a galactic selective breeding program not once, but twice, and the second time I'd being done with a mere 10% of the original DNA you had access too. How many recessive defects are you going to encourage among the population by doing this? Providing you had even a chance of succeeding of course.

6. In order to calm the warp down, war, suffering, and excess need to be all but annihilated. You could pull humanity out tomorrow and the orks alone would keep the warp absolutely fucked. Not to mention the eldar, nids, and countless minor races that fuck with the warp as well.

What do I win?

Blanks have a tendency towards bad luck, disease, and generally have a rough time. Clones in 40k have a horrific tendency toward bad luck, disease, and have a horrible time.

Trying to clone a blank would probably cause the container to explode. A whole planet of them being mass produced could destroy an entire system with that much bad mojo.

>The Horned Rat has no presence in 40K because he has no followers in that universe.

But I thought you said:
>Chaos is the ultimate cosmic predator. No matter what the prey does, Chaos will find a way. Because Chaos is our sins and we can never outrun our sins.

Since when does the Horned Rat care if it is welcome or not before invading? Besides, its followers breed extremely quickly, and could easily set up colonies in 40k.

Can you not understand English or what? The Skaven didn't come to 40K and most likely they will never will. It took aeons before the Chaos Gods found the Mortal Realms and wormed their way in.

40K and AoS are just two universes in a vast multiverse. There no reason for you to think that the Horned Rat knows about the 40K reality or has any special consideration for it.

>has any special consideration for it.
What would the god that wants to prove himself and has the most technologically inclined followers wish to do in an advanced sci-fi universe. Gee, I wonder...

>doing this anytime after DAoT/Eye of Terror
Objectively wrong and hugely inefficient.

This is how you do it.

>Be the Emperor
>Be anytime when most of humanity was within your sphere of influence during or before the DAoT
>Find or create the Pariah gene and anti-psychic tech (maybe do some shit with the Void Dragon after you imprison it on Mars)
>Do what the Necrons did and imbue the Pariah gene into almost every human on the planet, except maybe the select Psykers you want.

>Invent Gravitic Drives that require no Psyker tech for FTL
>Hunt down as many Necrons for their Necrodermis
>Infuse them into Men of Iron and STC's so they can't be corrupted

>Conquer the Galaxy with legions of self replicating autonomous robots and super computers with DAoT tech that will never ever betray you, against Eldar and Orks who are impotent without their precious Warp powers, suppressing or diminisihing the birth of Slaanesh and the Eye of Terror
>Necrons can't multiply. Just out produce more robots than them.
>Tyranids never find the Galaxy since that Psychic beacon never blows up
>While you're at it might as well make some Blankmarchs as well

Here’s wha you do.

Chaos educational shows that everyone had to follow.

The interex had chaos artifacts in museums and where just fine.

Education is the key to power.

>/pol/ boogeyman

>A humanity of mostly blanks.
>ALL psykers and other warp sensitives are pitied and relegated to second-class status where they clearly belong.
>These wretches and mutants are only used when necessary and easily reigned back in if they get uppity.
This is the clearly superior path for humanity.

How to beat Chaos:

Sports.

Reminder that a Bloodthirster, when kicked into the fans of the other team, is immediately beaten until he is sent screaming back into the Warp by mere humans equipped only with foam fingers and their own hatred. Reminder that Slaanesh’s greatest plan was to be summoned into his own personal box at his own personal stadium so he can be the only Chaos God to have watched a live game rather than on Cablevision.

GW said its the same Chaos in the multiverse. So the Blood Bowl universe tamed Chaos by mortals being more insane than Chaos.

I honestly think that someone with titanic willpower would bang one if there were a chance.

>You realize blanks are so rare they're in the realm of 1 out every 1,000,000,000 people or so right? With typical human biology it would take hundreds to thousands of years to get people through it.

A certain spider-legged cron would probably enslave three star systems with mind-shackle scarabs and program them in such a way so that people would fuck each other furiously and have every newborn checked if they have the pariah gene.

Man I wish Malal was still canon and GW had good writing

Half the Kriegers you see are female Kriegers

I miss when the overarching lore of 40k was a lot more muddied and unclear. Nucanon is too omniscient on the larger story, when 40k was at it's best when it was a rough patchwork of smaller incomplete glimpses hinting at a much larger universe.

Denied. Tyranids ate other galaxies just fine without being stopped by Chaos, they are clear evidence of extra-galactic ability to not be influenced by Chaos, and canonically stated as capable of overcoming it.