I think replacing Good - Neutral - Evil with Selfless - Neutral - Selfish and replacing Lawful - Neutral - Chaotic with...

It's simple and easy, why wouldn't you do it?

>using the "bottle hack"
What the hell is the "bottle hack"?

I never thought I was Chaotic, but generally I twist and tuck.

Where do those little sticky ties that are already on the bag come in, same as re-using the bag clip (I've never seen solid plastic bag clips honestly, but they make sense as a thing)

You put the bread in a bottle and just cap it off.

Something about "Radical Sandwich Anarchy" always makes me laugh.

So, like, you cut the bottom off a 2 liter bottle, feed the bag through the top, and close the cap over the bread bag? That seems like a lot of work when you could just use the twist-tie the bread comes with.

Nah, replace Lawful-Chaotic with Radical-Square, good and evil with gnarly-Bogus

Wouldn't the bread just get smashed?

Probably the "radical" - despite the best attempts of newscasters describing terrorism, it hasn't sounded like a serious word since the nineties

It's in Chaotic column for reason.

Law and chaos should be conformist and anarchist.

But, reality is why mess with a good thing. The dnd alignment axis is vague and varied as it is. you could place any character within the 9 alignment system fine as long as your not autistic. As long as your not one of them assholes who thinks there is one way to roleplay a alignment.

Also remeber that people with the same alignment may not have the same ideals or even agree.

Take Batman and Superman both are lawful good. 'Within the silver age canon' However sometimes they may not 'agree' and definitely have different moral conduct values. With both of them being LAWFUL GOOD.

Chaotic Capitalist - you throw leftovers away and buy new bread next time.
Lawful Consumerist - there's no leftovers, you eat whole bread.
Neutral Communist - party keeps the bread, might give you a slice.

So being Chaotic is Square and Evil is Bogus.

That sounds far out, dude.

It's completely wrong, though. You can be completely selfless and still be evil, and you can be lawful and not give a fuck about local laws.

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Or you realize it's a statistic that measures your standing with the universe.

READ THE FUCKING RULEBOOK YOU MONGOLOID

I think replacing alignments with a fat nothing > your shit.

Jesus Christ at least have the decency to twist.

then just use a bigger bottle, duh.

Serious question- why do we not keep bread in large jars?

You mean like... breadboxes?

>raising the price of a staple food by putting it in a more expensive container

Not to mention how would you fucking remove it from the jaw without fucking it up? How would they inset it in the first place? What actual benefit do you get from it?

You have to ask these questions while worldbuilding, user.

Because bread isn't a liquid or a granular solid.

Yeah, I guess. My problem with bread boxes was they never seemed to seal well. I've only used one like once though.
I mean bringing it home, taking it out of the plastic and stacking it up in a bread-shaped jar. It would make getting individual pieces so easy, especially if you sealed it with a large cork instead of a threaded lid.

>I've only used one like once though.
Well, there's your problem. You do realize that there are lots of different kinds of breadboxes, right? I'm willing to bet that most of them seal just fine unless they're too full.

>implying Ayn Rand wasn't a gigantic hypocrite who shirked her own sorry excuse for a "philosophy" the second it suited her
Come on, man.

bread boxes aren't supposed to seal. An actual seal wouldn't keep the bread fresh as long.
What you want is something that keeps the bread dry. moisture is what causes it to go stale
a sturdy breadbox, made of wood, wicks away moisture from the bread.

This is also why you shouldn't refrigerate bread. The condensation causes it to go stale faster.

ancap was the ultimate spook all along

>What you want is something that keeps the bread dry. moisture is what causes it to go stale
What the hell are you talking about? Moisture causes the bread to develop mold. Drying is what causes bread to go stale.

I just don't use them they have no real mechanical effect in 5e.

My god, do you all want to eat mold or something? Anything besides true neutral, lawful neutral, and all of the "goods" is fucking retarded.

Calm down, autist, twist-and-tuck works just fine.

Yeah, if you want to be a lazy fuck.

Why would you NOT use the "lazy way" if it works?

Breadboxes exempted, because that's even lazier.

Bread boxes are castles for bread.

Neutral evil reporting, tucking saves you time and nothing bad happens to bread if you eat it fast enough which I do. I also keep it in the fridge tho, so I guess that's good put me into the Eldritch horror category

The second the bread clip disappears it's straight to twist and tuck

>Pampered first-worlder can't cope with a bit of color on his bread

I bet you throw out food on it's sell by date too.

you use the top of a bottle and it's sqest cap to seal a bread bag. its like medieval torture but targeted at bread bags and helps the bag do it's job.

The horror
The horror

The horror

>reuse bag clip and/or apply twist tie
>and then put the bag in the built-in breadbox in the fridge

What alignment even is this? Lawful Redundant?

the rigidity of jars makes it harder to retrieve non liquid bulky goods out of them intact, jars tend to be heavier than sacks making them more expensive to transport and possible more expensive to produce which raises the price of the product, bread isn't stored in a liquid so you don't have to worry about the chemicals in food safe plastic bags leeching into your bread, and jars, especially glass ones, are more likely to shatter when dropped or impacting things.

actually bread going stale is caused by starches in the bread crystallizing when exposed to moisture. No bullshit, look it up.

>in the fridge
Lawful stupid, to be sure

Huh. I'm lawful neutral when the bag's just recently opened, chaotic neutral when it's half eaten and neutral evil when it's almost gone.

What alignment does that make me?

>actually wanting to get a fungal infection

I lost it after reading Atlas Shrugged when I saw a mail-in slip to donate to her organization.

>you get fungal infections by eating mold

That's where we've always kept it. It's a tradition (and a refrigerator) almost twice my age, if not older.

Bread's not molded once on two generations before me - why should that change in my time?

But you're probably right anyway.

>what is mycotoxins?

user, poisoning by mycotoxins =/= fungal infection

Poisoning and infection are two entirely different things, retard.

Sorry, my mistake.

The point is that I don't want to get sick eating some fucking bread.

>not wanting to become the bread

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It looks like you're supposed to take the top off (like the top section) of the bottle and then put the extra bag through the hole from what was the inside, then screw on the cap or something from the pic. I'll just use a clip or the breadbox thank you.

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This seems pretty like more hassle than anything.

I guess it makes sense(sort of) if you need to pour something out of the bag, but for bread?

Something that is random and pointless.

If you eat this kind of "bread" as your regular you're already chaotic stupid.

I'd remove good-evil as an axis at all and replace it with a value for altruism. Think VtM but less important to gameplay.

After that, Lawful-Chaotic becomes Authoritarian-Libertarian (you can still call it Lawful-Chaotic but this defines it better).

Replacing the Good-Evil would be Ends Focus (ends justify means) and Means Focus (Means justify ends)
I know this sounds a lot like it overlaps with lawful-chaotic or good-evil but there are differences.

Ends only care about the net result of their actions. They lie, manipulate, cheat, and commit all sorts of evil (possibly still within the bounds of law if that's their alignment) as long as they're happy with the net result. An Ends Focused Paladin would set an elaborate trap to catch a crook he couldn't catch.

Means Focus only cares about the process. As long as all the steps of a journey align with them then the end doesn't matter. A Means Focused Paladin would work to undo the damage of a crook he couldn't catch.

>implying Ayn Rand is the only philosopher who proposes self-centric life
>Being unfamiliar with Egoism
>Being unfamiliar with the will to power

Pleb.

Except that in an evil kingdom, a lawful good character might very well be a rebel seeking to overthrow the whole system.

Too much like the political squares. "Lawful" refers more to structure and ideology while "chaotic" is about being impulsive and a bit random. So someone Lawful could have a libertarian ideology, which would express itself as wanting a libertarian society and always acting in accordance with libertarian principles. A Chaotic person is more spur-of-the-moment, doing what they feel like rather than following a code or system of beliefs.

>selflessness = good
Hmmmmmmmmm....

Keep your bread in the fridge and it will last longer and not attract molds - or at least not as frequently.

>t. has never inhabited an apartment in his life

Sorry Mr. Moneybags, I just want some toast for breakfast and a sandwich for my lunch break. I'm afraid I don't buy Artisan Bread, or whatever the hell you're sperging about.

I can one up this, I leave my butter out on the butter crock unrefrigerated to get for toast or frying. It never goes bad.

Do you use up your butter that quickly?

A little bit on my toast, or if I'm making pancakes. Most of the time it lasts about a week or two, considering my gf and I eat pretty much the same.

the point is to only donate if it's in your self-interest

being self-interested doesn't mean never donating to charity - if your pleasure from helping others with your money outweighs what you get out of spending that money however else, then do it

you have to be literally retarded to think there's a contradiction here

the point is everyone's self-interested, just in different ways, but that we should seek to resist those who use force to impose their self-interest on you

this is normal here in the UK

who the fuck wants their butter hard

butter for toast, sandwiches, real recipes

to be fair there's 3 of us - if i lived solo then i'd probably have a smaller butter dish

Probably okay if it's salted butter, stays covered, you thoroughly wash the butter dish between each stick, if neither of you is positive for staph aureus in your nasal cavity, and you change the utensil every time you get butter, and you keep the surrounding counter space clean and sanitized.

thread was already finished here

why do you think we're talking about bread?

the dnd alignment system is fucking garbage

leaving it behind in my homebrew burning wheel dnd hybrid, BITs are so much better

Oh damn that reminds me of these old "life hacks" from a supermarkets store brand admagazine.
They had hundreds of uses for old stockings and was a national point of joking how solution to everything was to use stockings.
Tho I doubt current youngins know or remember this shit here anymore.

>why do you think we're talking about bread?
Because I like bread.

Use a twist tie to close it, toss it in the fridge. Do you all need to drop your pants to your ankles and pin your shirt under your chin when you take a piss too?

>Do you all need to drop your pants to your ankles and pin your shirt under your chin when you take a piss too?
Do you not?

>Not stripping naked before taking a shit, then thoroughly washing your asshole in the shower afterwards

Only lardasses need to do this I am one

I do it too, but I'm only 200 lbs. Toilet paper just isn't enough sometimes.

Motherfucking white folk...you know you can get wet wipes for your ass?

It makes more sense for more long-term storage, I would think. Much less useful for bread, but for things like brown sugar or pasta it'd be pretty appropriate.

They clog drains, retard.

Mold spores are already in the bread, user. The way you repackage it makes little difference.

Wipe your ass with paper, finish up with flushable wipes, go back in time and teach your parents to raise you without a stinking asshole.

tying it into a knot is the most efficient solution if neither of those are available, prove me wrong