Shit that people say about 40K

and particularly if you limit yourself to the unambiguously good movies (IV and V)

Also III.

It is written, only OP can be this much of a lying faggot. Why do people have this weird mental illness where they make up scenarios in their head where they get persecuted and then get upset over it? It's like the opposite of a power fantasy

I know what else to do!

>Farseer Mike Pence is here to save the day!

None can compare to (((Di$ney)))'s latest atrocity. It looks more like twilight in space than star wars.

The setting and "plot" of 40k exists only to sell you the little plastic men and their little plastic boxes for as much as they can get away with,
There's nothing redeemable about it.
The sole point in its favor is aesthetics.

So...Every Jew?

>tfw your greentext strawmen is more articulated and has better arguments than yourself.

Must feel bad OP.

Although that greentext, and this thread, is basically /pol/-bait, I'll bite.

user has the right idea. WH40k was great - and fun - once, but nowadays it's a complete fucking mess, full of convoluted 3deep5u """lore""", and other fun-killing shit.
We still have the hyperbolism that sold the franchise, but now it's hardly a satirical setting.

>Its literally Turn-Off-Your-Brain-Because-It's-Meant-To-Be-Fun the setting.
Except it fails badly, very badly, at it.

>hurr durr chaos is invincible guys
It wouldn't even be half as annoying if chaosfags wouldn't feel the need to jump in any discussion about how in lore chaos got shitstomped and screech about "MUH JUST AS PLANNED" and "MERELY A SETBACK"

that's Veeky Forums in a nutshell

That reminds me of "Hellboy is given pancakes", gotta wonder if the similarity is intentional.

Don't forget "AKSHUALLY". I was starting to develop interest in 40K until "Chaos always wins" became a canonical thing. What's the fucking point of playing any other faction if that's the case? Even if you can win a battle against another player, where's the fun in playing a side that you KNOW, lore-wise, will lose the war?

You mean how you feel that every Jew is persecuting you, even the ones who don't know you exist?

Reminder orks and even nids have ways to curve stomp chaos

Thats because chaosfags refuse to acknowledge that in settings like 40k all that matters is headcanon and fate is a meaningless concept

I don't really like 40k in large part because I like friendly nonhumans and 40k has nothing for me on that front by design.

>Wait, you collect small plastic men? My little Brother does that! He's 10, maybe you should hang out sometime?

>Sorry, I've got to go, my boyfriend just texted me, some of these figures are neat though

>Hey user, I read those Eisenhorn books you recommended me. At first I wasn't sure but some of this stuff is really neat

>Hey user, my bf and me broke up a week ago and I need something to take my mind off it, mind if I hang out here for a bit?

>I thought those Space Wolves looked kind of cool so I bought a few, mind showing me how to paint them?

>Hey user, we still on for dinner, Warhammer & sex tonight?

>user YOU'RE SUCH A FUCKING WAAC TRYHARD I'M BREAKING UP WITH YOU!

Ha

>This is what 40kids actually believe

Not anymore

We both know no one on Veeky Forums knows any women.

>especially if you limit yourself to the movies.
user...

What about that one Tyranid turboslut?
What about the other Tyranid turboslut?
What about Esh-Esh?

Sluts aren't women.

>Taking a greentext seriously

Second post best post.

>My head-canon is the right interpretation of the lore
> All lore that contradicts my head-canon is too old and is therefore false.
I fucking hate chaos fags!

I'm a Choasfag and I say everything is a lie.

Well, a lot of people take 40k too seriously. It's supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, but a lot of people err to much towards the grimderp elements while leaving out the wacky stuff "because it doesn't fit the universe's feel"

I still kind of like 40k as a setting - it's fun to look at, has a lot of room for potential, and can give me whatever the hell I want in a setting more or less. That's a damn big kitchen sink. But I've started to realize I kind of hate the fandom around it, people who either take it way too seriously or can't take it seriously at all and just make bad jokes. I like a mix of humor and seriousness.

Then again, that's also mixed with realizing that I don't really like most of anything that GW has been coming out with recently. My favorite parts of the setting include things like the Wars for Armageddon and the Vostroyan regiments, old shit. The new stuff does not engage me. The genestealer cultists were interesting, but I heard dubious things about the books, and the new supermarines can get the fuck out.

It's real sad since I wasted a bunch of money on getting an army together that I never really had time to put together or paint, but hey, that's life for you.

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Hop in and get a FREE knife-eared bed-warmer.

>that face
GUREITO daze

>Imperial Guard just sacrifices men by the billions to get one inch of ground
It's a stupid trope that's not even true in universe. But it's never going to go away either.

>Childhood is learning that hitler was the villain

>Mental Illness is coming the the conclusion that hitler was a hero.

Hitler was anti-porn, my guy. And seeing shit like your folder full of dickgirl/trap porn would get you a one-way trip to Ze Chambers.

I don't like porn either.
Nor is there any of it on my computer.

I go by Varg's example.

Honestly I agree with a few of these. Turn-off-your-brain Heavy Metal sci fi fantasy is one of my favorite kinds of Genres, but the setting nowadays lacks a lot of the grim humor that made the original setting great. That 2000 AD era kind of acerbic, anti-establishment parodying of a hyper-paranoid dictatorship driven by anti-intellectual, luddite, and hyper-theocratic ideals was meant to be a sort of parody of life in England during the Thatcher Administration. (They even make an ork warboss based off her.) But a lot of people have sort of lost sight of that, and lionized the Imperium as the good guys despite the fact that they're literally every dystopia trope racked up to eleven. Which leads to bullshit like "God Emperor Trump" or drawing the parralel of Hitler and the big E as a GOOD thing.

Don't get me wrong, I still love 40k for its crazy cosmology and kitchen sink style. It's one of the few settings where a cyborg Gurkha, psychic zulu, viking in power armor and a cherokee in a jetpack are all viable character concepts.

But, here's something important you should know, user. You can actually like a thing and still have criticisms about it. If you blindly accept something and lash out at anyone who vaguely disagrees with you on even the slightest subject, it stunts your ability to critically think, which is kind of a valuable thing you need to be a functional adult.
I mean, yeah, the 40k fandom is pretty nazi-y, yeah the setting has lost a lot of its good, dour, gallow's humor that Warhammer Fantasy managed to retain. But I still like it, and I Can like it while still agreeing that the setting needs tweaking and improvement without "Age of Sigmar"-ing the whole setting.

Sooooo a white-nationalist murderer who sets shit on fire and swallows hyper-idealized nazi bullshit without doing any actual research on who the vikings were, what they did, or the fact that 90% of modern recorded viking mythology was written by christian scribes who ran shit through the jesus filter?

I was speaking of Varg's policy of "stop masturbating to porn", senpai.

Also, nothing wrong with being a white nationalist or a nazi.

I agree, the worst part of modren 40k is the trend of de-mythification of large part of the lore.

Nice bait, senpai. 5/10.

>"I don't like Warhammer 40K because its soooo grim, dark and gloomy where people never smile."

This is unironically the reason why I dont like it, why is an Imperium that is still bloody and xenophobic but still has nice things to fight for impossible?, it actually sound more like its GW who want desperately to stay PC

>BETTER MAKE EVERYTHING INCREDIBLY SHITTY FOR EVERYONE LEST WE BE ACCUSED OF GLORIFYING NAZIS

I liked FFG version of 40k fluff better than GW and BL.

Isn't he more of a psyker?
>WITNESS YOUR DOOOOOOOOM, YOU DAMN FAGGOT

Lemon Russ and his merry band of furfags was Rey before Rey was even a concept

Exactly. Even with skilled writers at the helm - which is not always the case, some ideas have been slapped in so poorly or written in an uninteresting way - no one is ever going to be really satisfied. Some people even build aspects of their personal lore or headcanon on the maybes and what ifs, and some changes just devalue entire forces - especially if you love the idea of being a pure Imperial Fist, descended from the original Imperial Fist Legion.

I can get honest criticisms of 40k, because there are many.

What so can't stand is a significant portion of Veeky Forums nowadays is so laser-focused on contrarianism and shitting all over popular things because it makes them feel like they have "good taste" that I can hardly stand this place anymore.

You can dislike 40k. That's okay, just don't click on 40k threads to piss and moan and jerk yourself off.

None of OP's statements are wrong. The 40k setting is retarded and you're retarded if you enjoy it.

Am I retarded for never enjoying 'turn your brain off' kind of stuff? If I go and watch a movie that other people enjoy, but I just keep seeing flawed execution and holes in the plot...

I don't know, it always feels like an excuse. Like instead of actually trying to craft something that holds logical weight and actually makes you think and consider, it's 'turn your brain off and enjoy the pretty explosions.' That's not bad sometimes, especially if that's the intent, but it's hard to just ignore shit like that.

>Its bombastic, over-the-top and crazy-stupid levels of fun.
Because the loud part of the fanbase doesn't seem to think so

40k is at its best when its metal, which form the metal takes is not imporant, but that it is metal is.

Ah, we've got a Proudboy in our midst.

See, this is why militaries and cults don't go well together in the end.
>Wah! Wah! I'm not getting the glory I deserve! I don't get jackshit about how military operations go! I don't understand my death can be pointless, long, agonizing, and unrecognized for years! I'mma go sell my soul and get good boy points and hat pats from badguys.

Jesus, I'm just sick of military characters in general (not 40k) going rogue because "I'm not getting recognition or respect I deserve!"

That's a murrican thing.
I am European.

The gun is the one talking

>40k is at its best when its metal
Then why do so many people want plastic Sisters?

Are you really this fucking dumb?
The story has a lot of religious tones going for it, the most obvious being the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.
>Space Marine lying in a crucified pose
>Space Marine
"Don't forsake me! Don't condemn me to such an ignoble end! Lord!"
>Jesus
"My God, My God, Why Have You Forsaken Me?"

It's not a matter of being a Benedict Arnold you fucking retard, it's a matter of pure humanity.

Something I enjoy about this short is that it can be taken from the view of either the Fallen Space Marine or the Machine Spirit.

The point is it's both. Both the gun and the Marine are feeling abandoned because they don't realize their Lord (the Marine and and the Emperor respectively) are as equally helpless and beleaguered as they are.

Agreed.

No, adulthood is about learning to see the shades of grey, it's realizing that while Hitler may have been a genocidal extremist he was still a thinking human being who had loved ones, hobbies, a family.
It's not about keeping a black-and-white view on morality while merely switching who the good guys and bad guys are, that's the mentality of an idiotic teenager who wants to rebel against the establishment.

The Ultramarines and Grey Knights as written by Matt Ward would like to have a word with you. As would the Chaos Gods in the newer editions.

I mean, the fact Stormfront exists sort of proves jews have someone who wants to persecute them, whether they deserve said persecution or not is up for debate.

I agree with you OP. Unfortunately some people just don’t get the setting. They can’t accept that it’s both epic and comical at the same time.

And the existence of Israel proves Jews love to persecute others, so if anything Stormfront is more justified.

After all, I don't see stormies bombing the shit outta muzzies and then trying to guilt their allies into taking on muzzie refugees so they can expand their zionist regime.

...

I mean, is bombing muslims, even if they're civilians, really that bad?

That picture shows that the one who made it has no clue about 40k.
All the "bad things" in it are fucking necessary for Imperium to survive.

The key to enjoying 40k is acknowledging that the extremes are not the rule. Anyone who's read deeper than surface-level lore would know this. Not every world is a ash-choked industrial hellscape. Not every battle is an apocalyptic tide of iron meeting iron. For every such war, there are no doubt 20 more that are comparable in scale to one of our own. The Siege of Vraks involved 14 million Imperial casualties over 17 years. Go ahead and compare that to our World Wars.

Even for the grandest wars, 40k is at its best when those wars are thought of from a quasi-realistic perspective. It's not simply enough to say that a million burning tanks litter Tallarn's blasted surface. If you were to approach the story from a sensible, operational level perspective and imagine how such vast quantities of armored vehicles might realistically fight in such an extreme NBC environment, you get a much more compelling picture.

Some of my favorite work done with 40k are the FFG splatbooks that just sit down and give you huge loredumps on planet profiles and the societies found within. The lazy mind would just assume that every chaos-conquered planet is a fire-and-brimstone demon world. The creative mind would tell you of Messia's polar cities and great mobile mining rigs that ply the mutant hordes for riches untold, and suddenly you realize there's such a wealth of possibility out there beyond what GW slaps on the latest 40k edition box set.

Whatever little hook-nosed rat knee deep in critical theory bullshit made this picture clearly does not understand that the 'Theocratic', 'Fascist', 'Imperialist' realm of mankind is the only thing successfully defending humanity from a galaxy of ruin and decay.

Maybe they could take a look at the Eldar - "degeneracy destroys", "individualism is death of the whole", "carnal desire brings no reward".

It is if you're trying to white guilt Europe into taking in the embittered survivors whilst taking none for yourself. Israel was a huge proponent of the whole Migrant Crisis with accepting any refugees themselves, after all.

There are fucking pleasure garden planets, whole planets dedicated to pleasure ON THE EMPERIUM. Sure the vast majority of the population would never get to even see them, but the fact that they exist on the most hardline faction on 40k proves the universe is not just a shithole everywhere.

The most important thing is to realize that not every world, in fact, most worlds, do not strictly fit into the "*-world" classification. You don't have to be strictly a Hive World, Agri-World, Forge World, etc.

It's not that he's a bitter, hateful character that's going to throw in with Chaos - we're supposed to feel bad that he's unable to get a noble death that his great deeds in life deserve. He's not angry, he's still loyal.

And on a wider note, a lot of people have the misconception that soldiers just blindly follow orders without any sort of thought, so creating a character that seems to go against that can be a way to make a character distinct - and on top of that, most stories are about rebels against the machine, taking on something bigger and uniform while they are the individual. Of course that's going to be common in fiction even if it strains realism.

Okay, small chuckle.

>Fascism is murder.
This is forgetting that most of the glimpses leading to that conclusion are from the areas under attack.

>Theocracy is supressive.
Considered who's the object of worship (somebody that tried extremely hard to create an entirely atheist society, only to utterly fail due to human nature), I feel that the alleged message goes very much in both ways.

>War consumes
Tautalogically obvious.

>Fanaticism destroys.
Only thing that is completely true. Most of the Imperium's lore is based on how too much devotion to a cause brought everything to shit.

>Imperialism is unsustainable.
Wat. Unless the pic's creator is referring to the Tau, I can't see how you can take it as a message.

Yes, but we also understand it's not the ideal sort of survival. It's understandable, even respectable, but on some level we know that this is a very dark future indeed - it's fallen from whatever ideal the Dark Age of Technology was, to the point that they consider what was probably a wonderful age to be something heretical - not out of legitimate understanding, but superstition.

We know it sucks and accept that because it's it's sensible and even necessary, and creates an almost beautiful contrast with the ideals that we see in Star Trek and such - but that doesn't mean it isn't a shit sandwich that humanity's been forced to chew.

>falling for the shades of grey memes
wew lad

Not really.
Space wizard monks are pretty over the top.
Not to mention stuff like Death Star and Super Star Destroyers.
Particularly in the lasts movies, it gets even more over the top with Starkiller Bases, Rey doing everything after failing once and the force being buffed.

goy, by your argument every human should feel persecuted. As it is pretty much guaranteed that there is at least something that wants you to die.

You mean every SJW?

See now, you started off with things that a normal person might theoretically say and then you showed your hand when you got past the setting never progresses part. You gonna have to leave, we don't take kindly to your type round here.

>The Siege of Vraks involved 14 million Imperial casualties over 17 years. Go ahead and compare that to our World Wars.

Now take into account the planet had a population of 8 million before the war began. There were millions of casualties from the traitor side as well, and it would seem that since the planet population is no 0, majority of them are dead as well.

Good news! There are now no more traitors and heretics on the planet of Vraks.

Mission Accomplished.

>Someone criticises the thing I like
>Criticism and thinking critically is bad

>"I bet the jews did this"

The problem is that the Imperium's setting is an incredibly biased setting in that extent. It stopped being parody long ago and people began to take it as serious which is when you got "the imperium is doing fascism so the evil space gays won't do you in the butt." and "Secret alien jews are subverting our DNA To make evil cults that ruin our economy from the inside"
The problem is the setting is meant to be a dystopia. It's meant to be BAD. This is a society that is rotting, stagnant, set in its own ways, and blinded by a self-destructive dogma while it circles the drain. People stick to old, brutal methods that, while they seem to work, refuse to refine them. Tech doesn't advance, they just rediscover old devices. But people are praising the imperium because the space marines are cool and they refuse to look deeper into what the setting is.

>Individualism is the death of the whole

Yeah, which is why Native american code-talkers were able to confound nazi interceptions and help win WW2 for the allies. Or why Gurkhas are one of the most badass things to be vaguely associated to britain. Or why the individualism of american forces in ww2/1 were a patent advantage because, while they followed chain of command, still were able to improvise.

>Degeneracy destroys
Okay, but let's look at what "Degenerate" means. Degeneracy is a willful attempt to wind-back societal progress or understanding. Someone who thinks we should have a feudalistic monarchy is more of a degenerate than anything. /pol/ likes to toss this term around for "Not what I think society should be."

>Carnal desires bring no reward
Well, not implicitly, but there's no reward in limiting or abhoring them either. So long as its consenting and nobody's hurt, what the fuck does it matter? Sex isn't the devil, but it isn't divine providence either. Where the Dark Eldar fucked up is that they bottomed out into hedonism and refused to actually step outside of their fuck-bubble to observe what's going on with the world around them.

>"This is forgetting that most of the glimpses leading to that conclusion are from the areas under attack"
I dunno, what would you call the systematic annihilation of a people and their way of life? I mean, look at the actual spainish inquisition. Who did that help in the long run, really? How is society any better for having killed closeted "Sodomites" Jews, or Romani? All it did was scar the people involved and demonize these movements in the context of history.

>Imperialism is unsustainable
>"Wat. Unless the pic's creator is referring to the Tau, I can't see how you can take it as a message."

Well, again, consider history. A heavily militarized "Empire" like, say, england, kind of just strolled in, shat on the natives, took a bunch of resources and unsettled things pretty horribly. This pissed off the natives, who fought back, which made the empire fight back, which cost them time, resources, and human lives. When they finally DID pull out, it was like pulling a huge knife out of a sucking chest wound. The vaccum did as much damage as the penetration, resulting in decades, if not centuries of recovery. Expansion is natural, but there's healthier ways to do it that militaristic imperialism.

>the Thatcher Administration. (They even make an ork warboss based off her.) B
WARBOSS MILKSNATCHA INTO DA FIGHT

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>>"Some of the villains, especially the Chaos Gods are sooo stupid. If they're so powerful, why did it take them so long to destroy a few worlds?"
I honestly wish Chaos was as OP as fans and author believe them to be. But other than the HH, Chaos hasn't even come close to bringing Imperium to its knees, and it hasn't since. The Imperium almost always wins and even taking a single backwater no-named planet from a insignificant star sector is considered a accomplishment for a Space Marine Legion as demonstrated by the WB's conquering Gruelbowl.

>"I don't like Warhammer 40K because its soooo grim, dark and gloomy where people never smile."

>"Why does this grim-dark world of warhammer sound like its either written by edgy teenagers or this whole story is stuck in a 90's time warp?"

Acutally I think that's pretty much the case why not everyone; especially people and other geeks and nerds outside of Veeky Forums like Warhammer. Especially the grim-dark/grim-derp setting and elements.

Asides from no everyone willing to buy GW's overpriced plastic figurines. I believe and agree that people disliking 40K's lore, plot and setting because of how oh-so-grim and dark and grungy the world is. How every thing so asymmetrical and how everyone is such a one-dimensional asshole. Now this might sound like something a PC, virtue signalling SocJuc in Tumblr might say but really, the current way the GW treats 40K's grimderp setting as srs business is why not everyone likes it or is turned off by it. For pretty much a decade its practically the same shit, different story.

I might still be considered a new fag since it's been only two or three years since I've started frequenting Veeky Forums, mostly /co/, /d/, /v/, Veeky Forums, /k/, occassionally /a/ and most of all Veeky Forums. But I'd say maybe 40K might be better off or alot more liked by alot more people if the whole thing's plot and mythos sticks to being tongue-in-cheek satire humore making fun of how grim-dark shit is. But because of the grim-derpiness is treated as srs business, it just comes of as plain ol' edgy tryhard trite written by teenagers to some folk. Especially people who're not only into literature, but appreciate stories and plots that are advancing, changing and has character development.

It should be surprising if a reason why a person doesn't like 40K's mythos and lore is because of how 90's it is. 'Cause yeah, I have to agree. 40K's current srs business grim-derp is pretty much 90s trash even.

>will continue.

>cont

I would try my best bringing up examples of 40K's 90's tier grim-derp, but I guess the people who've previously posted already did a good job at it.

Basically I think and would agree that people not liking 40K because of its 90's shit would be a valid reason. Warhammer 40K's story, lore and mythos is stuck in a 90's time warp where everything is dark and grungy. Everything positive, optimistic and fun is considered illegal in the imperium, the Imperium of Man are not only backwards savages who act and pretend their smart. They're also morons. (AdMech higher ups discouraging innovation and advancements because it hurts their feelings and reasons)

And generally, a person who's into stories with advancing plots, interesting and likable characters who're not complete one-dimensional cartoon villains and character development. Definitely has a high chance of being turned off by 40K.

>Don't you just hate it when people say such bad things about 40K? Why the hell would you dislike 40K's setting? Its bombastic, over-the-top and crazy-stupid levels of fun. Its literally Turn-Off-Your-Brain-Because-It's-Meant-To-Be-Fun the setting.

It's also meant to suck ass. People tend to forget about that.