/STG/ - Star Trek General

I'm saying that Micheal as a character doesn't fit the show. She's the kind of character you'd expect to see in a novel focusing on something other than the "to boldly go" parts of Star Trek.

Yeah, it’s most noticeable in “the communicator, where they’re coming up from an observation mission and the literally rip off the the prosthetics and rub away the makeup.

Was it treated as a surgical thing in Enterprise?

I know in DS9 it was (for the Klingon mission) and in TNG (Riker's screwup away mission to the planet of 50s stereotypes), but did ENT specifically call it surgery?

I mean, you'd expect that the most qualified person to apply any sort of prosthetics - especially on Enterprise, where it was kind of surprising Phlox wasn't also the cook - would the ship's doctor, because they'd have an eye for the details of physiology, but that isn't necessarily the same as surgery. Did they ever explicitly refer to it that way?

I wasn't sure about the show as a whole until the first planet of the wisps episode, and then I was like "look at these chucklefucks". I get the feeling it'll grow into itself in the second half of the season.

At least a couple of times, checking memory alpha;
>In 2151, Jonathan Archer, T'Pol, and Hoshi Sato were surgically modified to look like Akaalis while they investigated a mysterious disease. (ENT: "Civilization")

I ran out of room in the card storage and have to use the top. Out of the 363 Premiere set cards, I am missing 62 (58 R, 4 U). That's more than I thought.

Tomorrow I will begin opening the starter decks. After opening all of those, I will go from 1408 to 2128 cards. If there's only a few I still don't own, I'll buy them directly. If not then I give up and move on from the Premiere set.

Fucking hell, that’s a shit-ton of cards.

Yeah but in dialogue I mean. MA is OK, but they have a tendency to make quiet assumptions despite their canon-only policy.

Like said. You do see Archer, Reed and Hoshi removing prosthetic forehead pieces after a mission to a pre-warp society.

>I get the feeling it'll grow into itself in the second half of the season.
That's the thing, my first real Trek experience was DS9 so I have little patience for the "it gets better later" excuse. I put up with ENT for two and a half seasons for it to get good and at least there I had a smattering of good episodes to keep my interest. Even if it does grow into itself in the next half season STD will still be hamstrung by the absolute retarded way everyone goes about everything and, frankly, hideous design choices all around. And those are things you're not going to fix without a major retool.

maybe they're so alpha they're tearing off the surgically grafted skin

DS9's first two seasons are dogshit. I know they claimed later it was all building to the Dominion and the war but it clearly wasn't.

BSG - under the same guys - was pre-planned, and despite being a rambling, self-regarding piece of overambitious garbage, you can at least see that they didn't go full Lost from day 1. DS9 by comparison spends two seasons flailing around trying to prove it's TNG-but-different, then five more gradually building out the filler episodes as the Dominion idea becomes more coherent.

Maybe if commander good-ol-boy was with them.

Yea I don't know what I was thinking. Compulsively spent a lot of money.

Went through the first 4 of 12 decks: down to 57 (54 R, 3 U). Sheesh that's horrible. I got another pair of Riker and Soren but my girl Brahms remains MIA.

I'm not talking about any arcs, DS9 has good episodes throughout the first two seasons. STD has an arc right out of the gate and it's shit.

>DS9's first two seasons are dogshit.
Your taste is dogshit.

I can see where he's coming from. The hallmarks of DS9 hadn't gelled yet.

True, but the first two seasons were also pretty decent on their own. Not as good as later seasons but quite solid on their own.

Maybe. I didn't like DS9 at first but I recognized its potential with Duet.

Honestly, that's why I think the first two seasons as a whole are underrated. Everyone writes it off aside from Duet simply because we didn't have bald bearded yelling Sisko and his USS Pimp Hand fighting cloned space lizards or Wadi memeing.

Glass lunch judge a bin to let it.

...are you having a stroke, user? That didn't really make any sense.

All right. You can... cross barrels. All job appalled.

Holy shit Alexander died

Yeah the shittiest one.

Oh shit, Worf's kid? Damn, dead at 33, that's only 4 years older than I am. That's... sobering.

That's the one where they all wind up with aphasia due to a replicator trap right?

Damn, son, are those just the base 1E set?

Hope you're in for a wild ride if you get your hands on other sets.

Diverting power to emergency bump-field generators.

Just don’t do loads of drugs and you should be fine.

4 years younger than I am.
What did he die from?

You’ve missed several crucial steps regarding the warp core and plasma coils.

Which one?

the very first (only played him in a single episode).
eonline.com/news/903969/star-trek-actor-jon-paul-steuer-dead-at-age-33

Most are just base but I have others. I'm trying to get my friends into the game and I needed cards to build a bunch of starter decks. Plus I got really focused on completing my Premiere set. On Monday I will receive 30 booster packs of Mirror, Mirror.

...

All done with what I've got, 2128 cards. After the 30 Mirror, Mirror boosters come in, I'm done buying for a long time.

In the end I'm 49 R short of completing the Premiere set. I did end up getting an Enterprise but the cards I wanted the most (Dr Leah Brahms and Leah Brahms) remained out of reach. I am also now the proud owner of 17 Kle'egs.

...

This set is so fucking cheap.

Isn't that kind of the point? A ship's mess isn't going to be fancy, it's going to be utilitarian and built by the lowest bidder.

Good, it means they're being faithful to the source material.

Cheap but practical and reasonably comfy. It's a dining room after all.

A lot of the cheap look comes from the lighting. They went so far emulating TNG, they also lit the sets like it's a 90's network TV show.

And yet it looks more lives in than the mess hall on Discovery.

U.S.S. Ophion back from holiday break. Games just ended. We Halo now. Got a distress signal from a ringworld.
At first we were unable to establish a lexicon with the universal translator and their insectoid language. My Vulcan PC setup a rudimentary telepathic link with their Queen sending pictures back and forth until the away team was able to translate their ideograms and use the periodic table of elements as a base to build a translation matrix.
Turns out they were a planted species brought to the Ring by its creators who are long gone now. They had developed basic warp engines so no PD infringing there.
The weather control system for the ring had broken and we were able to repair it using some eps conduits, making sure to let them watch us install them and infer how they worked themselves so as to not influence their development too much.
At the end the Queen suggested an exchange of personnel. So we took one of their engineers aboard and the nearby diplomatic convoy is going to dispatch a contingent to the ringworld to study the life and ancient tech there.

youtube.com/watch?v=X-QPBqRoB0A&feature=youtu.be

>They had developed basic warp engines so no PD infringing there.
Sorry to nitpick, but it should be noted that warp capability is not the only Prime Directive threshold, just the most obvious. As long as someone there was able to send out a distress call that indicated knowledge of extraterrestrial life they'd be in the clear.

Thanks. They were definitely aware of life off the ringworld but were more content to focus inward than rush out to explore the galaxy.

When do the ancient superweapons go haywire and eradicate all life for 1000 lightyears?

Not on the Ophion's watch that's for sure. Chief Prag wouldn't allow it.

When Gamma Shift fucks up, as per usual.

>having a gamma shift
Ask me how I know you're a shit commander.

Enterprise had a three shift rotation.

>he doesn't have 4 shifts on his ship
Ask me how I know Starfleet never trusted you with anything larger than a Miranda

>Picard and Sisko both had three shift rotations for most, if not all, of their careers
If it's good enough for Picard and Sisko, it's good enough for me.

alpha, beta, GAMMA, delta.
Sisko eventually switched to a 4 duty shift rotation in order to give his staff more free time. But that's station life not aboard a ship.

...

Picard kept with four shifts and admitted it helped ship performance, and Sisko also switched to four and in fact had four for most of DS9.

Surely there has to be something more to the ring world though. An interesting purpose or something you can follow up on.

That seems reasonable. I mean, ringworlds are so ludicrously big that there has to be interesting stuff on there still.

If it's impregnated with a superconductor lattice it can keep a ball of fusing plasma in the center and basically act as an enormous bussard ramjet.
Wait, is it a ringworld or a halo? This is important.

startrek.com/article/first-look-eaglemosss-newest-ships

>get to see the ships without blurry shaky cam
>worse than i could possibly imagine

user said ringworld, so I'm thinking a Niven-style one, shadowsquares, scrith, and all. If it's a Halo, then that's just lame. Those are weaksauce since they're so small.

Jesus those are basically all horrible. What the fuck happened here. I only like the Hoover-class, the Nimitz-class, and the Cardenas-class. The Shepard-class is ok, I guess. Everything else is horrid.

Fuck me that's some STO-tier designs. Jesus, people put money, effort and time into creating that giant pile of bollocks. There's about one vaguely passable ship there and it's the Shepard class.

I guess Eaglemoss is gonna have a bad year.

The Magee class is so cute.

It was not a niven style ringworld. There was nothing in the center. I used the light of the class a star in the system and positioning of the gas giant it orbits to create a day night cycle.
For sure there is more there to discover. We found glyphs of the progenitor race that built it but the natives had never translated them and could barely get by copying what little of the tech they could understand. But our mission unfortunately is to explore and chart not stay and turn over every rock. No doubt Deep Space Daedalus will send a team out to do in depth research into it. We were just responding to a distress call and have to get back to our charting course.

>offer 50% the asking price for another card lot thinking I wouldn't get it
>he accepts
>have another ~1600 cards coming to me
the fuck is wrong with me

GM here. It's Halo-sized and orbits a gas giant. I'm super original, I swear. I figured a full ringworld a la Niven would be way too much for the players to come across. As it is, the Halo-sized one is still a feat of megastructure engineering beyond any other species in the Alpha/Beta quadrant.

All the Federation ships are serviceable, as well as the Bstlh-class, at least. The Bird of Prey and the Veqlargh-class could be saved somewhat by retexturing, but the Daspu" and Qugh are pretty fucked.

Out of that entire line-up I only really like the Shenzou, the rest just doesn't feel right for me.

Fed ships look mostly okay. Klinks look like complete dogshit.

Edison looks like a Roomba, and Shran looks like Wall-E's head.

I do like Shenzou, though. Kerala and Yeager aren't too bad either.

The last competant captain in Star Fleet.

Someone needs to shoop Garek so he's behind Kira and fucking her. She's got a bad case of creepy o-face here.

That BoP is just disgusting.

...

So, in addition to those images above, they also released the official sizes for a couple of the Discovery ships.

Shenzou is supposed to be almost twice the length of Miranda, almost the size of the Excelsior. And Discovery is the largest ship ever built by Starfleet (not counting JJTrek ships). That's about 150m longer than Sovereign.

Keeping in mind that the "flagship" of the TOS era was the Constitution with length of only under 300m.

I call bullshit.

I just can't bring myself to care that they wanted to do overly large ships yet again.

It's not like they're good, characterful designs that really add to the world they're in rather than detract from what already was. Or if we assume alternate universe, fails to establish anything particularly interesting because it looks like someone just mashed standard chunky build ships into a vaguely 'trek aesthetic. Barring the Klingon shit, no idea wtf is going on there.

It's everything I don't like about the Vengeance from into darkness, multiplied and amplified in the case of Discovery and it's retarded spinning gimmick.

Looking at the size of the windows, the actual ships aren't actually that big. Definitely smaller than what those stats say.

Someone shitty at math pulled out those size numbers out of his ass.

Same happened with the Abramsverse ships. Enterprise is scaled to be like the original by the actual model details, it's just that shuttle-bay shot and word-of-god fucked it into being the size of an original xbox.

Or that ridiculously huge engineering section.

Nah, that one's easy to explain. Humans are scary and their engineering is insane. The thing's bigger on the inside thanks to all the weird bullshit engineering does on a regular basis. Their laundry room is the size of a castle thanks to Lieutenant Gorm's experiments with HyperDetergent (that washes your clothes before they get dirty).

If those stats are from front to the tips of the nacelles then it doesn't really mean anything, it's like how buildings stick massive antennas on top to boost their official height. Then you've got to consider the massive gaps in the Discovery's saucer section.

Kelvin was a nice looking ship. Same as all the JJTrek Starfleet ships that ain’t the Enterprise or Vengeance.

Yeah, the only one I didn't like was the double-secondary hull one, and really that was just because the twin full sized deflectors looked odd. Plus they looked really nice in Prelude to Axanar.

>Prelude to Axanar
Axanar died for our sins. Well, for their sins really, but dammit it would have been great.

The script for Axanar was released a while back. It wasn’t great. Great visuals, shit story.

And all I wanted was the visuals, so that'd be fine for me.

Was only looking forward to it for the ship porn too.

They made TOS style ships look pretty damn good.

For those of you looking for an STA group here is a thread on Roll20 for one.
app.roll20.net/forum/post/5920131/lfg-star-trek-adventures