/swg/ Rebel Fleet Massing Near Sullust Edition

I think one of the Providence class battleships was the early rebellion flag ship, the Rebel one.
Why it isn't shown more ofter,probably because Nu Canon are a bunch of hacks than barely care for the setting, apart of inserting they fetishes/world view with a tiny SW patina.
The only one than more or less cares is Filoni, the waifu slayer.

Nah, only from other clones, which is pretty heartbreaking, if you think about it. They had basically nothing to fall back on, because they were created for a function, were basically the only ones performing it, and then became obsolete.

Yeah, why isn’t Saw Gerrera using battle droids in desert camo?

The real problem with the sequels is that they completely ruin the original trilogy. The original trilogy was about hope and fighting to change things for the better, even if the odds are stacked against you. There was a real positive message in them.

The sequels take that positive message and shit all over them. The entire fight to defeat the Empire? Completely pointless because, within your own lifetime, they're just going to come back and kill off all your friends and loved ones in the process. Why bother? What's the point?

Luke should have never joined the Rebellion. Should have never been adventurous and gone after R2, or inquisitive and removed his restraining bot to see the message. He should have just kept his head down. Stayed at home. He'd have gotten his own farm, had his own wife, had kids with her, and died with loved ones knowing that he wasn't alone. Instead, he died alone one some fucking rock with space sea cow milk curdling and rotting in his fucking nasty ass beard, having never known the touch or love of a woman. Leia should have just stayed at home and then her homeworld would have never been blown up and she could just live a life of luxury instead of having to be General Grandma and losing all her loved ones. Even Han would have been better off, since nothing Jabba could have done to him would have been as bad as being murdered by his own son.

I don't even get why the Resistance bothers. Even when they beat the First Order, they'll just have to deal with the Second Order, or the Third Order, or the Hundredth Order. It just never fucking ends so what's the point in blowing up Super Mega Ultra Brand-New Death Star Fucker
2000 2.0? Just surrender and you'll save yourself a lot of bullshit.

And that's the message of the sequels. Don't fight. Don't even try. Stay out of trouble. Don't be ambitious. Just stay out of it. Real inspiring shit. Fuck the sequels.

The CIS style of war requires an overabundance of manufacturing capacity and raw resources.

If anything, the question is why the Empire doesn't use old CIS stuff.

Droids can't disobey orders or become force sensitive. And all that military manufacturing would have been useful. Somebody's gotta mass produce guns and spaceships.

Actually, that's not a bad campaign idea - players launch an upstart arms manufacturing business by taking out a loan from some shady types, only to find that in the Empire, the most paranoid conspiracy theories about the IRL military-industrial complex don't even scratch the surface. And that's not to mention the issues with piracy, smuggling, and everything else between the party and a quick buck.

Run it with a converted AoR duty mechanic, where the players win influence for fulfilling contracts.

>The real problem with the sequels is that they completely ruin the original trilogy

If dessert is a shit sandwich, that doesn't ruin the perfectly cooked steak you had as the main course.

So pretty much like our current VA system

The CIS remnants would at best have frosty relations with the rebles and mostly out of a shared enemy, after the empire falls I see them starting their own again, with the provision that the new Republic recognize them as a legitimate state this time. This would actually be good as the imp remnant or first order would still have to contend with a major governing force after splerging on attacking one or the other

>a food analogy
>it includes fecal
Groundbreaking stuff. Never heard this done before. Please, tell me more.

youtube.com/watch?v=nRGJDb-30C8

First Blood would make a pretty good inspiration for a post-CW Clone story.

>eat a steak
>suddenly the chef shoves shit in my mouth
>vomit it all up
>complain that the chef fucking ruined the meal
>"no i didn't the steak you had before was good wasn't it"

The issue is that they disguised the shit as delicious chocolate, or at least half way good, long enough for us to bite

And like that the thread is ruined

I'd imagine a lot of clones would also have all sorts of mental disorders from being forced to murder the Jedi they worked with if they considered those Jedi their friends (of course, I'm sure there were a lot of Jedi who treated the clones like shit and the clones who murdered them probably didn't even need the chip).

And when you complain about it, the cook storms out of the kitchen and calls you a bigot if you don't like it.

Oops oh sorry sir I'll talk about hyperdrive ramming instead.

But seriously go fuck yourself.

>If anything, the question is why the Empire doesn't use old CIS stuff.
Wouldn't it just make people hate them even more? The clone wars were still very recent, seeing the droid armies being used again would probably upset and terrify a lot of planets.

If the planets that formed the CIS were still capable of producing armies and still were willing to band together to form CIS 2.0 I think they would just stockpile as much as they can and then try their luck after the Empire vs Rebellion war was over.
Didn't some factions of the French resistance do the same? Stockpile the shit the Allies sent them and plan to start their own revolution when the Germans were defeated?

Really I thought watching the man next to you die, the man with the same appearance, grew up exactly the same, same voice, who is basically you might lead to mental disorders.

STOP shitposting about the fucking sequels, christ's fucking sake

let's talk about Armada, /swg/, which of the new ISDs are you most excited about using?

Oh hell yeah. Basically, he's 100% you but the only difference is he was standing slightly to the left so he's died and you didn't and how is any of that fair or make sense?

I guess "and anything else Star Wars Related!" doesn't include Star Wars.

Hey! Everyone! Stop talking about Star Wars in the Star Wars thread!

Nah, it.. it actually sorta would. 0/10, would not eat at that restaurant again.

>tfw kinda want to play Armada
>tfw my game group only wants to play Xwing
>tfw not great at xwing and dont want to invest $200 into each faction to be friend-competitive
>tfw Armada seems MORE expensive
>tfw my LGS only does xwing

Its ok. Everythings fine.

>one side fights for self determination
>the other fights for tax money
Why are separatists portrayed as bad guys in every franchise despite being right all along?

The vast majority of clones didn't even interact with the Jedi tho. Like 99% of the grunts would just know that Jedi X ordered to attack so they attacked.
There was no need for the chip really. Just convincing the clones that the Jedi betrayed the republic is enough to make the vast majority of clones hate them because fuck sake they've been fighting for years to save the Republic and now the Jedi are trying to fuck it up. Hell some might even think that the Jedi used them as canon fodder in shitty fights specifically to weaken the Republic and try to take over.
But brain chips are okay too I guess.

They have, especially the Free Ryloth Rebels. They put together a fleet of automated droid ships that nearly took out an ISD that the Emperor and Vader were aboard.

Try it out on TTS

It's been a while since I've thought about it, but I think the chips were really only there to compel clones that didn't want to shoot their Jedi, but then again, I think it was Cody who shot at Kenobi, and he didn't seem to resist at all despite them having a ton of history together.

Imagine this: The Empire, after rapid and massive militarizaton, plateaued in their expansionism due to natural personell issues and economical realities (after all, the military can only become so big under reasonable circumstances).

But did it shut down all that infrastructure, all those factories? No. It started producing no-maintenance droids and ships. And put it all into cold storage since they have no use outside of direct and open warfare. By the time of the Battle of Endor, the repurposing program started 10 years ago, and have only been growing as the military has peaked in size.

Cue opening crawl.

Kill the past :^)))))

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Yeah; especially the French Communists; a huge part of the Allied intelligence effort wasn't against the Germans, it was against Communists in France.

There is no such thing as no-maintenance equipment.

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>Just surrender and you'll save yourself a lot of bullshit
Gee I wonder who could POSSIBLY BE behind this post

Yeah, it was a huge clusterfuck after WW2 because most of the "resistance" cells were basically just communists fighting purely for ideological reasons. It didn't help that there was ahuge problem with the mass amounts of commies from Spain following the civil war there.

Sheev controlled both factions, why not just reverse the sides from the beginning?

Fuck off. I'm mostly interested in the roleplaying game(s), so the setting *is* the most relevant Veeky Forums topic, and since the nucanon clusterfuck is the most current thing, it will be discussed as the turd it is.

Before the New Mandalorians, were there cowardly Mandos?

Commies, Anarchos and Republicans, Commies where only big in spain during the civ war and because the soviets where the only ones than sended help (apart of Mexico) in the Republican side. Also most of them re-imigrated to Spain to fight as guerrillas knowed as Makis.
Fun fact,the first tanks than entered in Paris where crowded be Spanish tankers and with names like Ebro, Guadalquivir etc.

It's a side effect of a soulless corporation trying to emulate this freedom and hope thing but not knowing how, so their actual mentality keeps leaking in

If you take a tank, grease it up, cover it, and vaccuum-seal it, how often does it need maintenance?

There's literally old steam locomotives in preparedness shelters attached to the railroad in many countries that have barely been touched since WW2, if at all.

I'm sure that if the CIS managed to have a miraculous victory he'd reverse sides.
But he already was known in the republic and well liked. Much easier to take control if the people know you and you have a good reputation.
Also wouldn't the people in the CIS would go hey, wasn't that fucker in the senate of the Republic that fucked us over in the first place?

I thought they fought for tax breaks.

That's the thing: they haven't killed the past. They revived the past. We're back to where we started in 1977: big bad Empire/First Order reigns while a ragtag team of Rebels/Resistance resist/rebel.

I'm sure 30 years from now we'll be watching Episode 10 where the New New Republic fell because the Imperial Order of the First came back and destroyed everything with their super weapon, SOLMURDER. Rey can be some failure who runs off into hiding because she failed to stop the evil from being evil. And you can watch Finn and Poe and Rey and Rose look all old and they all fucking die because it's really uplifting stuff.

>30 years
Didn't Disney already greenlit another trilogy? I doubt we'll have to wait more than 5 years for Episode X unless IX ends up like TLJ

Nu movies were a mistske... it should have just been books, shows and expanded materials...

I like how Disney makes films about fighting evil empires despite being an evil empire it's like poetry so that they rhyme. You see the echo of where it's all going to go.

They did, pic related.

>If anything, the question is why the Empire doesn't use old CIS stuff.
Image. Image is everything. The Empire portray themselves as the successors to the Republic. The CIS is considered an evil foe that they have beaten, and the Rebels are essentially portrayed as neo-Separatists. You're not going to see the Empire use the tech of their most hated foe previous to the Rebels, it'd be like the Soviets or modern Russian Federation suddenly start using Nazi Stahlhelms for their soldiers.

You are entirely correct, I should've said "Marxists", because they were all of different types, I simply used "commies" in a "catch-all" colloquial sense. As someone continously annoyed by people confusing socialism with leftism or Marxism, I should take greater care.

What do you mean? Why not let the CIS win? Because the CIS wasn't centralized at all and Sheev had no personal claim to power there. Also, the republic worlds would not have seen the rule as legitimate, and fought against it jn a protracted rebellion. They also did not have the power to actually occupy the republic, they were just there to be a credible threat that he could cut the head off at an opportune moment.

Actually he didn't mention what happens to the object

It's kind of hard to relate to a robot army commanded by greedy, cowardly alien businessmen who are being manipulated by some old guy so he can destabilize the government and become a dictator.

That said, I do wish we saw more of a relatable side to the Separatists. The Clone Wars didn't give us much of that aside from...Lux, I guess?

To add onto this, the Rebels themselves didn't want to be seen as the CIS either and ditched CIS tech as quickly as new one became available to them, hell the New Republic in Legends even faces its own form of nu-CIS.

CIS Scum, while they may seem cool to us out of universe, are universally hated within the SW Galaxy.

This. CIS were basically intentionally MADE to be supervillains by Sheev so he could accumulate more power. He intentionally had them be evil, whereas at least the Empire is about enforcing (Sheev's) order.

To be fair, the Empire does use old CIS stuff, namely the Death Star. In the same fashion, the US used a lot of Nazi Gemany science and scientists when it came time to build rockets and go into outer space.

It wouldn't be fair to call all the Reps Marxist too, you had from strong liberalist in the economic sense to the most deranged anarchist than would make Bakunin blush. It was all a tragic clusterfuck.

Death Star idea came from Raith Sienar, who hoped to use the Geonosians to build it while they were still members of the Republic. Then they didn't really go anywhere with it and it was back in Republic hands.

>Then they didn't really go anywhere with it and it was back in Republic hands.
Were the Death Star plans ever in Republic hands? Pretty sure they went straight from CIS hands to Empire hands. At least that's how the movies portrayed it.

They needed those tax breaks to survice, because they were under attack and the republic did nothing to defend them forcing them to defend themselves, which bred a lot of resentment towards the republic. When they wanted to secede, the republic refused to even discuss it. They formed their own alliance and the republic lost their shit because they stopped paying taxes.

The entire situation was manipulated, but from the POV from the separatists, their grievances were completely legitimate and the republic were absolutely the bad guys. It's hilarious that the prequel trilogy is used as some kind of pro-democracy soap-box, when on a deeper level, it shows all the frailties and issues of large democracies, ending with it being manipulated, subverted, and usurped by a despot. It's not efen Fascism in the way it's portrayed, just despotism.

>because they were under attack
Oh? I didn't know that part, be who? Pirates?

>Death Star idea came from Raith Sienar
I don't think that's canon any more.

In Legends, Dooku shows it off to the CIS, but it's a thing between him and Sheev. In reality its an old military project by Sienar so it never really was CIS beyond Dooku and Sheev seeing what kind of additional design ideas they could get from the Genonosians.

Nobody cares Kathleen, Veeky Forums is Legends territory.

Pirates, raiders, mercenaries, etc., yeah. They had a lot of industrial and commercial infrastructure, so they were good targets, but despite being necessary for the republic to work properly, they were ignored, with increased tariffs and taxes.

Again, yeah, sure, Palpatine helped engineer all that, but they didn't know that. From their point of view, they were desperate and the republic taxed them more and more and dis N O T H I N G to protect them.

I suspect Disney has no perspective that they could even be perceived as the bad guys, they think they are the big mentor to the rebles, anyone opposing them is "the man" failing to ever look in the mirror

>I thought they fought for tax breaks.
Yeah, like how the American Revolution was just fighting for some tax breaks, those cheap Yankee bastards.

It explains the impressive military they put together. Shame we only see pirates being so small times (Like holdo from the CW animated series), it's a very cool part of the setting.

That's pretty much what happened.

>they were ignored

They had their own Senate representation and a large voting bloc. Just because they didn't get their way and have free reign to exploit the outer rim doesn't mean thr mean ol Republic was abusing them. They had legitimate grievances to be sure, but starting a civil war isn't really thr best way to go about things

>Legends
Opinion discarded.

But seriously if you want to talk Legends it's fine if you want to talk the current canon it's fine too.

CIS megacorps should've been broken up anyway though, they had too much power and really answered to no one. They had fucking representation in the senate, as CORPORATE ENTITIES, not member worlds.

The less we talk about the nu canon the better, a lot less shit posting will follow. Also not that much than is salvagable.

>Plans for a spherical battle station were first developed by the weaponsmiths of Geonosis for use by two malevolent Sith Lords, Darth Sidious and Darth Tyranus, in the waning decades of the Galactic Republic.[3] The massive project was funded by a conglomerate of factions, including the Trade Federation, Muunilist Banking Clan, the Techno Union, and covertly, the Republic itself.[10] During later Republic interrogation, Geonosian leader Poggle the Lesser claimed that the schematics were merely presented to them by Dooku, and that the Geonosians had simply refined them.

To be fair, it's the same thing in Nu-Canon, it's just that Raith Sienar's mention is omitted. In Legends they were also only sent to the Geonosians for refinement, it was never a piece of CIS tech.

I don't think that's how it was treated in Rebels. It seemed like the Geonosians came up with the plans.

Are you lot really bickering about how Lucas straight up didn't include an obscure EU character in his Death Star origin?

shamelessly reposting just so we have tabletop content instead of shitposting more.

Oh lord let me tell you anons about tonights session in my New Republic/Empire civil war campaign... First let me tell you about the two party members most relevant...

>Salazaar- a trandoshan mercenary who is (unknown to the party) searching for a girl he was tasked with protecting over a decade ago. As far as he knew, the girl was captured by the Empire and became a TIE pilot. This is important.

>Coran- A recently promoted Jedi Knight (New Republic era, not using nucanon) in the New Jedi Order. He's on a mission to search for Luke Skywalker, who one day vanished to supposedly learn more about his dad's fall to the dark side. He is VERY much wanted by the Empire and Inquisitorius, and Salazaar was hired to help protect him when he was in his Padawan phase (the idea being that Padawans with proper support could still be used as war assets on their own, not just Jedi Knights). This is also important.

So Salazaar has been searching for this girl across our year-long campaign, and coincidentally met a TIE interceptor pilot in a officer bar who had heard of the girl (Alice) and mentions she was stationed on a Star Destroyer. He then decides he wants to go find her NOW, and finds where the star destroyer supposedly is--a war-torn planet that has changed hands more times than a cheap vodka bottle at a girls-night slumber party. He decides to tell the party "Hey, Luke Skywalker is there! I heard it at that officer bar!", succeeds on a near-miraculous deception role, and the Party IMMEDIATELY makes a beeline towards the system, for obvious reasons (almost bringing the whole Jedi order with them too, since they messaged Jedi central until Coran had the foresight to say "let me check first").

Honestly I though the chips cheapened it. The message seems more powerful if they just do it as another objective to complete if we wanna go with the dehumanizing theme, which is already coming on strong when you clone millions of human beings to use as cannon fodder. Regardless of loyalty or feelings for the Jedi, being so thoroughly indoctrinated that it outweights all other loyalty or personnal priorities. They're already expected to lay down their lives without a moment's hesitation, when you're that thoroughly dedicated to be an expendable asset, it honestly doesnt even seem that far off that you'd be ready to see others in the same light, even if you like them. Doesn't even need to be justified, orders are they have to go, so they have to go. Fits the excuse that the Jedi didn't see it coming, since there was no evil intent on the clones' part, it was just orders.

Also makes it that much more meaningful when a precious few break the indoctrination and rebel.

So, the party exits hyperspace only to find a Mon Cal battleship duking it out with an Imperial Star Destroyer, and the Star Destroyer is getting lit the hell up. There’s a hole in its bow deflector shields, and the party ship sees a wing of Y-wings making a bombing run through the gap. Salazaar, despite being hired by the New Republic, decides to use the guns on the Y-wings, but doesn’t stop them from making a critical strike on the ISD. The ISD starts listing and cork-screwing towards the planet below, and the party immediately is like “WTF IS HAPPENING ARE THE GUNS MALFUNCTIONING???” Jedi Coran, convinced by Salazaar that getting on the Star Destroyer is a good idea, tells the Mon Cal ship to stop firing and let them board.

So the party flies into the central hangar, avoiding the remaining autocannons and everyone is too busy doing scuttling procedures and moving equipment to pay them any mind. The self-destruct sequence is activated, so they only have a few minutes to search for Alice. The party finds her upstairs in TIE interceptor pilot gear as she is evacuating her crew, pushing them into a TIE/EP (an escape pod based on a TIE bomber cylinder). However, she is missing a person and rushes back to help them trapped under a burning beam (since the ISD is literally collapsing and things are exploding and stuff). Salazaar, unable to convince her to abandon her crew, shoots her in the back with a stun round, but it isn’t enough to stop her. She tries to fire back, only to be met with very lethal fire from another party member, which puts her in critical condition.

Cont.

Better than shit posting about the new movies, again.

Also what would be a better system for runing a mech campaign using SW, D6 or Edge?

No. Here, lemme help you read the thread.

This user compares an event in Star Wars with an event in real life.

This user says that's not how the event in Star Wars took place.

This user says he doesn't think that what that user said is in the current canon.

This user said the current canon isn't very good.

This user said it's okay to discuss both old and new canon.

This user says no.

No need to thank me, user. It was my pleasure helping you read through a portion of this thread and understand what was being said. Next time, I suggest you try this on your own before trying to enter into the conversation, like an adult would. Have a great day!

So, having wasted a lot of time arguing about what to do, the party is forced to get on the TIE/EP with her unconscious, critical body in tow (her idea in the first place) and they get electromagnetic-sled launched out of the Star Destroyer just as it explodes. They tumble down into the planet below, getting blown off course by a bad stabilizer, and land on a tropical island. So now the party is among a bunch of stormtroopers, TIE pilots, and maintenance workers while stranded Castaway-style. Remember: THE PARTY HAS NO IDEA WHO THIS GIRL IS. AT ALL. Never has Salazaar actually said who she was, or why he wanted to find her, or even that he was searching. Understandably, the party is confused, so Coran asks what just happened.

Salazaar then explains that he signed on to use Coran as bait, or at least use Coran’s sense powers or missions to access Imperial resources to find her. He thought she was in the Inquisition, so Coran would be a tasty bait, and Salazaar is paying a form of honor-debt to the girl’s father (who hasn’t paid Salazaar for a long, long time, and who fired Salazaar for failing to protect her in the first place). Salazaar’s goal is to get the girl “home”, but at this point the girl is literally a Major in the imperial navy, and an accomplished TIE Interceptor Ace and has a tight bond with her teammates.
As Coran asked “If she was an inquisitor, she probably could have killed me. What would you have done then???”
To which Salazaar replies: “I would have tried to protect her”.
Alice though is majorly pissed at the whole “got shot by my former babysitter” bit, but especially at the “you abandoned my colleague under a burning bridge on a self-destructing ship” part.

Cont., 3/4

can you write episode nine instead of JJ please

There's really no inherent reason why corporate entities that are large and powerful enough to act as sovereign territories, with their own governments and means of representation, etc., should not be represented in the senate.

Think about it. What constitutes a "country" or "world" or "kingdom" or even "empire" in this context is largely semantical. There were no doubt entire societies or species organized as corporate business entities.

I'd be inclined to agree in general, but on a galactic scale, it gets a lot more muddled.

Nah, I think I'll let you tell me again next time.

Again, the party had 0 idea this would happen, at all. His normally silent character sprung out of nowhere to critically endanger the party by shoving them into a star battle, put a Jedi in a Castaway situation with a bunch of stormtroopers, and tried to kidnap someone who is now ideologically invested in Thrawn’s new Empire. Since his character is now pretty much 100% fired, and possibly a war criminal for shooting at Y-wings, his character may have to be retired, and this inspired massive asshurt among the other players.

Why do people have secret motivations and then proceed not to share everything with the GM??

D6 because it has working vehicle rules.

fun fact, Disney has a community down by Disneyland that is 100% controlled by Disney, including legally recognized police owned wholey by disney. It's basically a modern Company Town

I thought shit like that was illegal. Then again, aren't monopolies supposed to be illegal, too?

*disneyworld

They look cool, just not.. star wars.

What are the incorporation laws of the Republic?

Which game is that pic from? I'm looking for more cool art to turn into badass dark trooper concepts
currently itching to play a reprogrammed one, or maybe a shard in one

Why not play an actual mech game instead?