>>57390647

Genetic predisposition certainly doesn't help, but I'd say that it more falls to social standing and unhealthy mindsets. A lot of fat people, especially the fuckhuge ones, tend to have some deep seeded issues that they try to compensate for with the quick endorphin shot of food, especially the cheap salty fatty stuff like burgers and pizza. They also tend to pass those mindsets on to their kids and ruin them as well. I think that's why all those people on weight loss shows and in fat camps tend to wind up gaining it all back. Unless you fix the root issue that makes them turn to food for happiness and give them new methods of dealing with shit they'll go right back to it when they get back to their shitty daily lives

user, I understand what you mean, and I agree that extensive software patching can fix some hardware issues.

I sincerely disagree with the idea that the software patches you suggest get at the "root of the problem" however. The hardware is bugged in a way that transfers even in adoption cases in the same amount. We need to release a patch that tones down the eating desires that got humans to where they are today, as they were extremely useful in our development, but not nowadays.

It's because the poor are now the largest group of fat people, and poor people always seem to be rude towards those in retail, food and service industries.

I think the jolly fat guy archetype has a size limit. A chubby, beer bellied dude can probably pretty easily be the life of the party, or at the very least funny and/or empathetic, doubly so if they're tall/carry the weight well/ have some muscle to even it out . Once you get to the people trapped in grotesque flesh prisons of their own making, though, the vileness of their own existence and the pain they're almost assuredly in probably sours the mood

I dunno, I'm pretty much in constant pain, but I think I'm pretty jolly.
Then again, I've had arthritis in all my major joints and regular migraines since I was 12, so maybe I'm just used to it.
Or maybe the "flesh prison" thing is the real dealbreaker.

Obesity will only amplify your symptoms.

Chubby jolly fellows and chubby mother-like women are a-okay.

well, I'm a little obese, but only in "hungering ghost potbelly but tiny limbs" stage. I haven't reached "flesh prison" yet. And I am consistently surprised I am able to push around people so large. Especially when my coworkers struggle with them.

I'd imagine it is. People are generally sympathetic towards people with disabilities like arthritis or what have you, and people with them tend to learn to deal. Morbid and Supermorbid obesity are different stories. Nobody feels much for the gigafatties other than perhaps disgusted pitty and morbid curiosity, since their condition is generally (somewhat rightly) viewed as a moral failing on their part. Also, aside from certain fetishists no one finds the morbidly obese to be attractive, which probably both sours the fatties own attitude and other peoples towards them

I feel that if fat people know they're fat, and they don't care, and will continue doing what they are doing for joy of doing it, I am OK with that.
Just be hedonism bot and suddenly it's acceptable to be a horrible lump of baron harkonnen fat.

There's fat and then there's FAT. Mostly, just don't come to my house without showering first. If you show up smelling fucking rancid, I will tell you to leave.

I love how Veeky Forums is the go-to place for clickbait articles about social politics these days. We soyboys need to be redpilled and it's not like we were using this board for anything productive anymore.

>the Cuckdian

>for joy of doing it
Yeah, that probably helps - a lot of the really big fat people didn't get there by enjoying themselves, they got there by having shit they repressed with food.
Those fatties that got there by stuffing their faces because they wanted to tend to look a lot better, probably just because they're happy

I'm a fatty fat (325), tryna be a little more healthy going to the gym for 30 minutes... Most days because wuite frankly exercise hurts; carefully portioning what I eat in my bagged lunch... Problem is I cut loose at home and love food. I also try to be nice to everyone and bath thoroughly and always wear deoderant. I'm pretty jolly. No one's ever given me shit for being fat and if they did I'd laugh along with it. I'm not a kid in middle School anymore, eventually you gotta learn to take bants and not give a fuck

>Gym for 30 minutes

Lift weights for 1 hour, three times a week, cut sugars (sodas, sweets), start taking swimming classes 2 times a week.
Eat more protein and healthier carbs (like rice rather than bread), sleep 8 hours a night.

t. Lost 50kg about 5 years ago and have only regained it as muscle, Veeky Forumsizen.

I thought cardio was better for weight loss?

not that guy, but think of it like an economic simulation.
Muscles, as long as they are there, will consume at least a minimum standing amount of fuel. Even standing. They produce even more in motion.
So, improving your gross movement muscles will increase your passive energy consumption a fair amount, and burn a larger amount while you are working them.
Improving your cardiovascular muscles will provide the same passive energy consumption increase, except cardiovascular systems are. always. running.

So, each works in theory. Though, the realities of gaining more muscle tend to also produce excess fat, so cardio is practically "better" at removing fat, though the fat would come off a lot faster if you built muscle first.

Where do you think self control comes from?

It's genetic

As someone who is considered fat in Asia, I see pictures of people like that, and wonder how the fuck they get to that point

people aren't software you idiot. I come from a family of alcoholics and the mentally ill. Its not exactly easy breaking addiction but the idea that we need some magic injection to use mutation therapy to fix people instead of just developing healthier coping mechanisms is retarded.

Also your entire 'people as programs shit' is cringe worthy. Set yourself on fire.

Little tip: use lemon water, or those fruit infusers in water bottles to help curve soda cravings, hell, just carry a water bottle too. T. Fatty fat who lost 73 lbs in a summer

You won't gain fat from gaining muscle, if you're at a caloric deficit, unlike what the other bloke said.

Your total energy expenditure will increase, because muscles take more to mantain.

Additionally, they'll improve your performance during cardio, and you can help prevent the flaccid effect of pure weight loss (being skinny fat with loose skin is bad trust me).

Swimming will be your cardio of choice, because it's low impact and will be enough to help you around. You can't do shit like HIIT being fat.

You can't do the cardio that'll get you better results than weight lifting if you're fat, because said aerobic activity is fucking insane for your joints.

It's quite hard to put on muscle on a calaroic deficit though. Much easier to just gain some weight and muscle, then burn it off while maintaining muscle mass.
Also, fuck you, I wish I had a swimming hole, you make me so jealous.

Pretty good.

You can eat some (read, a decent amount) fruits as well, fructose sure, but it'll at least give you some nutritional value on top of those calories.

Unlike say, Ice Cream or some shit.

>Not chubby, not beer belly owners
Beer belly owner who considers himself “chubby” detected.

>We need to release a patch that tones down the eating desires
I disagree. It was never about how much you eat, but what you eat. If you had a diet of, say cucumbers and eat that stuff 12 times a day in large volumes you'd still be losing weight like crazy.

Its pure metabolics. We should patch people with the knowledge of foodstuffs you can overeat with safety and cut out carbohydrates.

A new meal plan! Eat to your hearts content and lose mass! There's no sugar coating in this sale! No bread and butter either...or....salt.....
Some would say its tasteless but they couldn't be more wrong! There's an entire world of exotic VEGGIES awaiting for you! Sure, you'll hate most of the stuff, but I'm sure you'll find one that's a keeper!

If you're going off from a normal weight, yeah.

But he's already fat. Plus even if cutting you work out to mantain.

this wouldn't even be a problem if we just swapped the taste variable on sweets and veggies.

>They also tend to pass those mindsets on to their kids and ruin them as well.

The remaining 20%, after taking into account the 80% heritability, is all unshared environment. Literally 0% of adult obesity is attributable to parenting. Parenting doesn't matter to anything.

The modern obsession with nurture being a central part of personal character came from a good place. When it began, it was even entirely correct to take seriously. Practically, the costs of optimizing child rearing were very small weighed against the tremendous benefit of societies full of fundamentally more functional and decent people. Morally, it would have been irresponsible not to act when we thought, in our ignorance, that there was so much pain we could put at an end.

But we aren't ignorant anymore. We have decades of very solid, well replicated research that all points one way. The research going the other way, which was never great to begin with, has broadly collapsed into vast sinkhole of the replication crisis.

Parenting doesn't do shit.

Or you could develop self control.

Mate, are you actually arguing that if I hit the shit out of my kid and rape her, she won't grow up all kinds of fucked up with mental illnesses that have correlated morbidities such as drug abuse, overeating and self harm?

Nah, my weight's exactly normal. I take no joy in food of any sort.
But the fix for fat people is real obvious.

I unironically started losing weight because I watched Gurren Lagann, so clearly we should strap obese people to chairs and force them to watch uplifting shounen until they decide to live their lifes correctly.

Fuck no, especially not for fatties, who are just physically incapable of genuine intense cardio

My friend started running and playing soccer. I told him it was a bad idea but he didn't listen.
At 350lb his knees are now puree.

>Problem is I cut loose at home and love food
No amount of excersize can overcome this. Teach yourself to eat differently. Instrad of going for fat, salt and sugar to add taste to food, try out different herbs, spices and vinegars or hot sauce.

haha she gay

I am upset by how many people bitch at me using vinegar in cooking when they see me cook, when JUST THE PREVIOUS DAY I served them food (with vinegar) and they fucking loved it.
I am not sure why people are afraid of the delicious power of vinegar.

Has anyone played a fat character before? Or even seen one played? I have only once, and it was in a comedic context

I also do this but primarily because all the really fat fucks I've met have had obnoxious personalities on top of being physically unappealing.

Are you kidding?
Greasy joe is like, one of my DEFAULTS.
That fat asshole can slime his way into and out of any get rich quick scheme.

The simple, unplesant truth of it is that the way a person looks and presents themselves tells you 90% of what you need to know about them. Certainly there are aspects of looks which are more or less immutable, scars, height, facial symmetry. But the way a person dresses, does their hair, and carries themselves offers instant and massive insight into their personality, values, and lifestyle. And you know what being fat says? "I'm willing to give up physical independence and years of my lifespan just to enjoy my meals a bit longer"

Ahhh... a sperglord immediately jumping to extreme examples. So predictable, so pathetic, so ignorant.

The post in question wasn't about parenting studies wasn't about fiends in human shape torturing children mentally or otherwise. It was about the excuses routinely trotted out by people who are obese, drunks, etc., blaming their upbringing for their own poor choices. You're not obese as an ADULT because one or both of your parents are obese. You're not a drunk as an ADULT because one or both of your parents are drunks.

It's incredible that the same adults who bleat so often about how they're individuals and about how their various choices should be respected no matter what also are so quick to claim they've have no control whatsoever over their lives and that they've been "programmed" by their childhood.

Getting back to the OP's question, one of my FLGS has a "sniff list". The Usual Suspects, mostly obese, mostly spergish, must past an odor check before being allowed to play.

I did, twice. First one was based on me. The GM said to make characters who are the fantasy versions of ourselves. As a fat chemical engineering major I decided to make a fat alchemist. It was a fun campaign and a fun character, despite the hindrance being a fatass is to adventuring. Fatigue penalties are a bitch

Second one was for a modern campaign. He was a bipolar middle aged used car salesman from Kentucky whose life was falling apart. He was semi-comedic (Y'ALL COME ON DOWN TO BIG AL'S FOR BIG DEALS! PRICES SO CHEAP I'M PRACTICALLY GIVIN' IT AWAY. Just like my ex wife Trudy. TRUDY YOU FAT BITCH WHY'D YOU HAVE TA LEAVE?!?) but he was also a fast talker, and pretty decent with a shotgun, which turned out well when the campaign took a turn towards horror. He died as he lived: Drunk, yelling, and trying to do right by everyone around him.

I'm not saying adults have no choice you stupid fuck, I'm saying that upbringing has deep effects on your personality and psychology.

It takes effort to change those, and thus unlike the bullshit you spewed: parents SHOULD make a fucking effort.

Here's a newsflash: being a lazy adult is bad, but so is being a shitty parent. Neither should be acceptable.

Anyway, the effects of childhood obesity already carry on to the rest of your life, so it doesn't even matter.

In short: fuck you and your "upbringing has no effect" shit.

You can always tell when using a bathroom after a fatty because it smells like fucking death in there.

A year or two ago I would have said that physical abuse could probably leave a lasting mark, but even *that* hasn't held up well.

You can give her PTSD, which sure as shit can be a serious problem, but more generalized issues? Doesn't look like it anymore. Of course, literal brain damage would be a possibility too.

There's a fundamental problem.

We shouldn't be accepting of everything. Some things people are "accepting" about are just thinly veiled ego-jerks and re-routed pity. It's like "social acceptance" of other people. I could give a shit about where you came from, some of the stories and information is pretty cool, but the second you pull a "middle-aged entitled white woman" or "ultra-cheap brownguy who doesn't understand bartering isn't part of north american society" people should correct you on your behavior until you fix that shit.

I've been pretty fat throughout my life, and I've recently lost over 70lbs this past calendar year. However, you look at some 500lbs hamplanet, and someone who's 400lbs doesn't feel as bad. When someone who's 500lbs sees someone who's 600lbs get a tv show, suddenly they don't feel that bad. It'll continue to escalate until someone puts a stop to it. None of that shit is genetic, and if it is genetic, you have DOCTORS not webmd, not your personal biases confirming the diagnosis, and providing you with treatment. But none of that matters if you're an upstanding productive person.

If you couldn't survive in the wild, or you don't contribute to society, you should be taken out to the woodshed and old yellered. Contributions are relative to capacity, and demeanor should be heavily weighted against it as well, but fuck man who wants to live in a world where entitled fucks with no capacity for self defense rule? They're just elaborate rules lawyers justifying their hellish existence, and until we can confront these people, they'll just continue to rot away. I also believe that you should be able to confront these people in a state sanctioned sparring match for violations of social conduct. If you can't take a shot to the chops, don't walk around like you're hot shit.

edgy.

It's not the actualization of violence, just the threat of it that will get people to shape up or ship out.

For example, do you think crusty old fuckers will be so dickish if they know that minimum wage college student can call them out and fight them for it? Of course not. Do you think people would be so fucking fat if there was a threshold of negligence and an escalation path that started with taking their children away, and ended with a lethal injection? Of course not.

I'd wager the actual number of instances where any of this is applicable is statistically irrelevant, but the social benefit would be huge.

>want a public facing role
>unable to take any criticism

It does taste pretty gross when people just slap it on some French fries after cooking

I feel the same way about mayo. Call it aloi and everyone loves it. But god forbid you put mayo on anything else...

Man salt and vinnegar fries are the shit.

It's never come up, nobody in my groups are smelly, a couple guys have a bit of a beer belly but the "fattest" looking guy is a powerlifter. Then again I don't associate with smelly or morbidly obese people by choice anyway.

Google Sarah Holloway, there's a pic of her lounging about where she literally looks like Jabba in a dress and wig. That's pretty fucking far from a beer gut.

Don't forget
>Ranch
>Blue cheese sauce
>Thousand island
>Honey mustard

>it's another /pol/ thread

Go back

GOTTA EAT BIG TO GET BIG, C'MON

Thousand Island dressing is AMAZING when you mix it with beef. People have no idea, I always call it my secret brew to make you poo, but it's fantastic.

Here's a protip:
>take two eggs, dump them into a bowl
>take ranch dressing, chili-lime sriracha powder, and a handful of cheese
>put that shit in a frying pan, continually whisk with a fork until it's evenly cooked and fluffy
BOOM. Best eggs of your life.

Because people just throw it on something and wipe out the other flavors. Also the smell turns a lot of people off, nd taste is linked closely to smell.

This

Vinager has this tendancy to overpower other foods when not used in moderation

Not if you're a fat newb. A lot of guys will make strength gains on their first cut.

Not liking fat people is neither controversial nor political

Fat cleric of dionysus.

Swimming is ideal for the fat, aged, or injured because you get all the calorie expenditure with zero joint strain.

I applaud and curse whoever came up with naming these things "-phobic". It's devilishly brilliant the way it instantly paints your opponents as irrationally frightened, rather than having legitimate criticism having nothing to do with fear.

That's not what I mean

/pol/ hasn't been about politics in a long fucking time

It's become a board for reddit refugees who were kicked out when whats-his-face deleted a bunch of shitty boards

It's devolved from a board about politics into another /b/, and now it's leaking into other boards

>Parenting doesn't matter to anything.
Bullshit. I've seen 200 pound middle schoolers being led into mcdonald's by their hamplanet minder and showered with three happy meals each. That kid is fat because he's been taught awful eating habits.

How about you just admit you're using it as a scapegoat to avoid any kind of discussion that offends your sensibilities.

You made an absolute claim that parenting does nothing. Any extreme corner case, no matter how contrived, is sufficient to debunk an absolute claim, because by definition an absolute claim must apply to every case without exception.

The takeaway here is that making absolute claims without absolute knowledge of the subject is idiotic, and you need to get off your high horse.

Anyone who links to a news article should automatically be banned

There's like exactly one /pol/ poster in this thread right now, and he posted exactly once in a stupid way.

Inarticulately expressing your disdain for /pol/ out of context is arguably worse because it gives /pol/ credibility to ignore being called out on being /pol/. Kindly, fuck off wherever you came from.