Weekend Warcraft Lore General

Horde warriors get completely fucked in Legion
>class hall is vrykul heaven
>artifacts are a human sword, two vrykul swords, and a vrykul shield
>all your followers except for 1 are titan constructs or vrykul

Considering trolls are supposed to be pretty pragmatic, I'd imagine a troll would rock that shit and love every minute of it. With all the tribal conflict and shit, being a slayer of trollkind isn't too out of the question.

The change from great warriors of the past to VIKINGS EVERYWHERE was absolute bullshit. Doomhammer and Lothar tossing bantz while fighting in an arena would've been so much better

Would've been great to show how ethereal the conflicts of the mortal world are. Up in Valhalla, no one gives a fuck anymore.

Exactly; it also would've killed Blizz's strategy which is why they couldn't do it. It'd show the RvB conflict that gets forced in between each new big bad through shit writing, is just shit writing.

Hunters got it a little better, but not by much. Their artifacts of choice are
>Old vrykul gun
>Alleria Windrunner's bow (she says she wants it back)
>Ancestral Highmountain spear

Rogue comin' through with the hottest weapons
>Discount Soul Edge
>The fangs of a dog that a child managed to kill

At least Garona's daggers are kind of lore relevant.

Thal'kiel just says
>It's like every mote of my skull is, at once, at full mast and the size of Gorshalach. I never want this to stop. I will conquer, and fuck, the cosmos!

I'd mention Horde paladins as well, but that seems to go without saying at this point.

Yeah, I was about to say that rogues got it a little weird on both sides. Their artifacts include
>Garona Halforcen's daggers (she doesn't want them anymore)
>Dual swords from some undead Bloodsail pirate (basically not-Cervantes wielding not-Soul Edge)
>The daggers of one of the Legion's single best assassins, made from Sargeras's pet dog

So many of the artifacts are just so fucking bland.

I'd take the fangs more seriously if a child hadn't killed it. I don't give a fuck if he scored a coup de grace or what, it's the fucking hellhound of Sargeras, it should have fucking DR or some shit.

They were such a horrendous idea.

>Human assassination rogue of Stormwind
>Receive the daggers that killed King Llane Wrynn
>From his murderer, no less

>tfw the queen of Stormwind was killed by some peasant hurling a brick at a parade
What a pathetic fucking kingdom.

Just as planned.

At least the priests got a cool knife.

She was standing on a balcony holding baby Anduin during the middle of a Stonemason's Guild protest/riot. An errant rock hit her in the head and killed her. You can fish up the fateful rock from the lake in Stormwind; it still has her blood on it.

what would happen if smokeless powder was invented in warcraft.
Keep in mind smokeless powder is one of the major requirements for automatic firearms

Blood Elves are cute!

Why did they make up the retarded title 'High King' instead of just calling him the Emperor of the Alliance, which is what he literally is.

Literally nothing. Azeroth already has automatic firearms and smokeless powder. Next?

Because Activision-Blizzard are hacks. And Chinzilla being High King of the Kaldorei made sense to them.

>there's a riot going on
>better gawk at it with muh babby
What a dumb bitch.

technology is weird in warcraft

What is with those eyebrows, jesus christ.

It's a reference to Cu Chulainn, the national hero of Ireland. He killed a giant monster hound as a kid.

They're cute like cat whiskers.

I'm aware, but it's a stupid, misplaced reference. It does nothing but diminish the value of the daggers and by extension, the threat the Legion poses.

>Oh check out how badass this nameless child that has been dead for millennia because Sargeras got asspained over his dog is.
What does this accomplish?

Because Varian/Anduin is still only the "King of Stormwind" as a political entity. They tried to explain that the "High King" title was more a military thing.
>The High King of the Alliance is much like the Warchief of the Horde: trying to coordinate the actions of all the races in the Alliance.
>The role is not about faction-wide political control, but something related to military control similar to Anduin Lothar's former position as Supreme Allied Commander. The High King only has control over the forces given to him, and leaders who don't like his calls can choose not to commit their forces. Even so, it proved to be hereditary, as Anduin Wrynn became the second High King after the death of his father Varian.
>Despite criticism, Zarhym [a blue] has said that the position of High King thematically fits the Alliance, because "the Alliance formed an allegiance around human kingdoms."

They are, aren't they? Fuck the haters.

Elves have always had those eyebrows.

The problem here is that the Alliance already had the position of Supreme Commander. Which filled the exact military role they're talking about.

Don't forget they were going to implement an "epic questline" called the Trials of the High King, where Varian (with an Alliance PC joining along) undergoes challenges similar to the Labours of Hercules and systematically earns the respect of each Alliance race and the right for them to call him the High King of their race. Only two of those trials were implemented: one for Tyrande (Varian embarrasses her as a military commander), and one for the dwarves (he embarrasses the Bronzebeards and Wildhammers who backed out by working with Dark Iron matriarch Moira to protect Ironforge from a Zandalari incursion).

>Don't use an existing title that perfectly relates what the position's actual purpose is
That's dumb

>The title is hereditary
Even more dumb
There are roughly how many Alliance characters explicitly more suited to be effectively the Grand Marshall of the Alliance? A dozen?
Genn, Tyrande, Muradin, Trollbane, god knows how many generic Marshall's exist in WoW itself?
Hell, Malfurion and Velen are both probably more suited to it even though they aren't explicitly military leaders.
Shit's dumb yo

>the Alliance that only Stormwind was a part of was formed around an allegiance of human kingdoms
>therefor, when Stormwind, dwarves, gnomes, night elves, and draenei team up they INVENT the position of High King instead of simply using Supreme Commander with was a pre-existing military position that did the same thing
Be honest, you Activision faggot. The only reason they used High King was to fully realize Varian as White Thrall and just literally make him the Alliance Warchief.

As utterly nothing of a character that Varian was, I can more or less accept him as the military leader of the Alliance since being good at fight was the only thing his character was.
Anduin should have been the interim leader of the Alliance for the duration of Legion, and then the final patch following Sargeras' defeat and BfA itself should have shifted the Alliance to being more communally governed since literally every one of its factions is led by either wizened old Kings or by deific Jesus-like figures.

>tfw no love for apocalypse

That's the thing. The early Alliance WAS a communally-governed pact. The leaders of each race would regularly get together for pow-wows about how to move forward. This was different from the Horde, where there was one Warchief who everyone else answered to.

>alduin spent most of his existence lost somewhere in time and/or chilling in sovngarde eating dead Nords
>neltharion just about broke the planet in half and reshaped the entire landscape purely by flying over it

Really makes you think.

Yup, and that's why Activision's changed it to instead simply being an exact mirror of the other faction. Welcome to the glory days where anything that one faction has, the other has to as well.

You know what would make this somewhat interesting?
If in BfA your character was canonically (obviously not in gameplay) weaker than they were in Legion and in some way acknowledge your previous position as [Class]-Jesus as being an interim position.
Reverse the constant Dragonball Z shit that every expansion tries to push.

BFA is including an enormous stat squish. That may well happen

>implying a stat squish will be referenced in-world as a measly attempt at making the world even mildly more interesting
The absolute state of Activision fags.

Post your secret desires regarding the lore.

I want to see a Warcraft space-opera.

Warcraft 40k?

I want it to die. Sort of like how I'm almost thankful for The Last Jedi for letting me let go of even pretending to give a shit about the NuCanon for Star Wars, just killing off Warcraft would allow it to be cozy again as you deal just with material that you like while no longer having to be barraged by constant retcons and increasingly capeshit contrived plots and villains.

TFT-era Arthas coming back
Storyline divergence in WoW Classic

Would be cool, honestly.

Virgin Alduin vs Chad Deathwing.

There's even a mod to make Alduin Deathwing.

It would go really well with Blizzards artstyle. The Alliance Grand Marshal armor just screams to be remade into power armor. Draenei-tau already field literal dreadnoughts with crystal shit all over it and live in a spaceship, battlesuits firing pink lasers isnt that far off. Death knights are fucking metal no matter where you put them and their gear already looks like power armor.

Just make it happen. If nothing else just for the hillarious buttmad from the GW fanbois.

That it stopped being bad. More seriously, I'd have liked to have seen more development of the setting. Instead of having giant world revamps, just update lore-relevant areas with targeted small patches to keep the world feeling alive and updated. That and more focus on the factions themselves and the individuals therein, rather than the story just becoming infrequent arguments between the various faction leaders. Keep them behind their desks doing leader things, not out on the front lines giving dramatic monologues and cleaving six men in a single strike.

How smart are Trolls compared to Humans and Orcs?

Smarter than orcs, dumber than humans. Zandalari are the only faction of trolls that aren't brainlets.

private investigator Maiev when? She needs something to do when she recovers from the throat cancer and she's already sort of a cop

Kaldorei Knowledge Keep, SI:7 equivalent in darnassus

Pretty cunning but wasting all their talent on constant tribal warfare shit.

I want the setting to jump into the future. Lay to rest all the characters around now and give us a fresh take on it. It's obvious that the fans love the setting, I think it would be cool to see it advance into a new Era. Wether that be hundreds or even thousands of years later.

That might be hard when darnassus goes full crispy bbq

Wife Illidan and be a happy mom, she deserves a break.

>BOOM BANG CRASH
>door is kicked down
>several night elves storm the room
>"KKK! Nobody moves!"

sounds perfect

Warcraft > Warhammer Fantasy

Wanna know why? Warcraft has the best fucking waifus. I love Tyrande!

Goblins suddenly become relevant and Kezan becomes a big new zone with subzones. Pretty much shot down forever by BfA.

>Marrying a Virgin NEET with the emotional disposition of a school shooter

She won't be happy, user.

Warcraft: Age of Thrall.

Liadrin is top wholesome waifu.

It's quite obvious she's got reverse Stockholm syndrome. Might as well make it official.

Plus Illidan is as chad as they come, malfurion is the virgin

>Warcraft
>PCs routinely end threats that threaten communities, kingdoms, worlds
>possess many special abilities
>Warhammer
>you roll a shit peddler living in shit
>your chance of saving a penny are 31% because that's the human average, forget about saving anybody else
>orcs and trolls are monsters and not noble savages you can reason with

WC really vastly outgrew the constant comparisons to WH. Hell, when has WH ever been primarily about humans vs orcs and not Chaos conspiracies? Same for SC WH40K.

Blood elves are the eternal side characters. We never get to see them do anything cool

Well, it's not like it takes any effort to beat Warhammer on this particular playing field

Except SC became fucking shit compared to 40k.

>Plus Illidan is as chad as they come
>Betrayed everyone because he got Friend Zoned
>Fucked off to Outland, turned a temple into his NEET basement complete with waifus
>Does nothing but act like a Shadow the Hedgehog-tier tryhard

FRP's misery porn was never canon for Warhammer, and now that it gets a new edition paired with AoS RPG you can forget about it forever.

You could extend that to 40k too.

Basically, Warhammer was made for bitter man-children.

>Wardian Heresy
>Age of Guiliman

Yeah, right. Just because SC2 decided to jump off the cliff doesnt mean 40k isnt already at the bottom of it twitching.

Like all the races except orcs and humans

What about the entirety of TBC? It was "look how badass belfs are: the expansion".

this, the most competent elf

Personalami and Thalyssra say different

Darkspears, too.

FWIW, SC2 is still actually one of the most played online games in existence (there is just no Steam)

I agree that the SC2 lore is retarded, but co-op with buddies is still top-notch and I wish more RTS games expanded this niche. And besides, even SC1 distinguished itself so much from WH40K that I never thought those memes made sense.

>mfw WC4 with SC2-style coop commanders will never happen
>especially not in some retconned environment where WoW never happened and you have shit like Daddy Saurfang (offense-oriented Orc hero who specializes in massing classic WC2/WC3 units like Grunts and Axethrowers) teaming up with Malfurion Stormrage (druid-oriented NE hero who focuses on elites with massive sustain power and his Tree of Life can instantly sprout treants from wherever you have line of sight) to drive Scourge away long enough for the last high elven refugees to escape Lordaeron

>Age of Guilliman

You say like there's something wrong with that.

gnome king is in actual power armour during the broken shore cinematic and he hits a demon with a melta

Trolls are pretty smart, but they're too fighty and ambitious to reconcile their differences and build a civilization together instead of fighting everyone all the time. They're the Sikh of WoW.

TBC was, naturally, the draenei and blood elf expansion (with a minor detour into orc stuff). The blood elves appear on the global scene like "yo, guess who survived Arthas and the Scourge, niggas!" The story of the Azeroth blood elves in the beginning was about two things:
>Finding a truly suitable source of power in lieu of the Sunwell
>Reuniting with their god-prince Kael'thas Sunstrider in Outland
For the whole of TBC, they couldn't fulfill point one, and while they did get to Outland, point two was thrown out the window when they discovered that
a) Outland is way more fucked up than we thought, and
b) holy shit, Kael'thas has lost his arcane marbles and his loyalists are ruining everything.
After putting him down the first time, Kael'thas came back, stole M'uru, ran to the Isle of Quel'danas and brought the Burning Legion with him. They had to put him down a second time and then clear the Sunwell Plateau to prevent the Legion from using it to invade Azeroth en masse. It was only at the very end that the draenei pulled their "YOU GOT PRANKED" master stroke and redeemed the blood elves out from underneath them by reigniting the Sunwell.

Blood elves were driving the story throughout TBC, but the Azeroth blood elves were mostly along for the ride as their ambition took them from revelation to revelation until everything they thought they knew had come down around their ears. Then they got the Sunwell back (even though Kael'thas loyalists were murdering draenei on Azuremyst Isle), and everything was immediately kosher.

It's true that trolls are not famed for living to old age, although they're fairly long-lived given the opportunity. If they're not feuding with outsiders, they're feuding with each other. If not each other, then their gods/loa. If not their loa, then themselves. The only tribes who are shown to have risen above such quibbling are the Darkspears and the Zandalari, and they're about to team the fuck up.

Does anyone here do cross-faction play? Is it fun or worth it when you can't really interact with your main characters? I feel like checking out the Horde feel, atmosphere, and visuals.

>insulting Sikhs by comparing them to meme Jamaicans that have literally lost every conflict they've ever been involved in aside from against bugs
>lost to savage human barbarians, lost to elves, lost to the ocean twice, lost to themselves, lost to their own god, lost to a single traitor troll, lost to adventurers in pretty much every expansion
Trolls are the WE WUZ KANGZ of WoW, while orcs are the Dindus. At best, you could make them Spaniards as a bunch of useless lazy fucks that once had a mighty empire which they lost due to their own incompetence while leaving tribal savages littered across the world.

I want Aysa and Ji to be relevant again.

Fucking why? They were bland nobodies that weren't even relevant in their own expansions.

My main Horde character (and primary overall) was a fem troll shaman learning the ways of the world in light of her new shaman training.
My Alliance characters I saw the most mileage with were a dwarf hunter with a bear companion who was a regular outdoorsman, and a learned draenei mage who was learned and soft-spoken but firm in his knowledge of the Light and the arcane.

Unironically: who?

orcs are Germans