That's stupid. They were just bad dudes. That is why they turned against the Emperor. Trying to justify that is retarded because in the end you will always have to deal with the fact that they betrayed the one guy who was objectively the best leader for humanity.
Why do you guys hate him so much?
Jonathan Ward
Bentley Hughes
>But the forces of Chaos were not quite so easily beaten. The whispered to the Primarchs from the warp, disturbing their dreams with promises of power, appealing to their pride, their martial prowess, and their courage. No single Primarch was wholly resistant to these unspoken temptations. The character of each was sorely tested, and fully half of them failed that test. So subtle was their temptation that they never even suspected how thier own loyalties were changing.
>For example, Mortarion Primarch of the Death Guard Legion fully belived that he was the herald of a new age of justice. Angron of the World Eaters genuinly thought that he alone could save humanity from destruction. Horus too, the greatest Primarch of all, was convinced of the virtue of the martial ideas for which he fought.
The point isn't whether they actually were betrayed but that they thought they were
Matthew Rivera
>Why are you lying so wilfully? The global campaigns clearly showed people don't give a fuck about Chaos OR about the "Chaos is the big bad" narrative. It's literally the disconnected writers clique at GW who want to push that narrative.
No, I didn't lie. I just said that SOC was not meant to end the setting. We have an archive interview of the writer Gav Thorpe telling us that it's not meant to end the setting. It was meant to create the status quo of which 7th ED would be built around.
The SoC was poorly received because some factions got shafted and because of of infamous ending.
Everything else you said is a fabrication and doesn't have any relevancy.
Blake Harris
>Just compare Betrayer or First Heretic to Dark Apostle
Or the night lords trilogy to Lord of the Night.
Joshua Myers
That's from the codex. Off what a burn. Sure showed that guy was talking out of his ass.
Sebastian Morgan
Oh and to add to You CAN'T write your primarchs like those poor misguided creatures who got driven from one abusive master to the next and just want their justified revenge because every plot like that is literally invalidated by all the loyalist Primarchs who lived under the same conditions and didn't fall to Chaos like autists. Trying to justify their fall just turns them from self-determined rebels into weak willed puppets.
Again, Magnus is probably the only one where that narrative works because he actually endured very different circumstances than his brothers and even then he did plenty wrong and is a nuanced character.
>The point isn't whether they actually were betrayed but that they thought they were
It's ridiculous. Moving the decision to fall from the Primarchs just turns them into cardboard pushovers. If ADB wanted to give nuance to the Traitors maybe he should have written them as capable people making their own decision and play up the angle of actual independence compared to the loyalists instead of writing them as emotionally stunted babies who need Chaos plot armour to even wipe their own asses.
ADB's Night Lords are the pirates who don't do anything.
Jayden Stewart
Chaos turned them by playing on the things that made them shitty. Trying to portray that as a justification is retarded because it always comes back to the fact that the Emperor was clearly the best leader for humanity and that if they wanted what was good for humanity they should have followed him. Saying that they thought that betraying the Emperor would "herald a new age of justice" or "save humanity from destruction" just shows that they were either insane or subhumanly stupid, because it was obvious that no leader could be better for humanity than the Emperor.
Andrew Clark
Desu Lord of Night was kino
Owen Rivera
Fuck, to add to that AGAIN:
It was actually the LOYALISTS who were the independent and pro-active party during the Heresy. As soon as the Emps fucks off, the Traitors immediately find a new sugar daddy (or find one as soon as the Emps told him to stop being a retard in Lorgar's case). Meanwhile the Loyalists are intelligent enough to keep doing what they're already doing on their own.
Daniel Stewart
You got to realise that nobody who knew the Emperor personally (before he became all glowy and shiney) liked him. Pius who is the most righteous dude in the galaxy DISTASTES the Emperor and calls him "the thing they call Emperor". If things aren't so dire, he wouldn't waste a second on that bastard. Alivia Sureka sweetest Milf ever to live hates the Emperor for creating the Space Marines in all their monstrosity. Both them sided with the Emperor and helped him to fulfil his quest across the ages because "they" were much worse than him. He is an asshole but the Chaos Gods are on a whole other level. If the Chaos Gods didn't exist or weren't as aggressive, then Alivia and Pius would have probably fought against the Emperor and his evil.