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She'll never choose any of them. Tools might be interesting, but they are never worthy.

All women are queens!

Go back to r9gay

thats the problem. princesses are better.

And if she's as competent as she appears to be the moment they stop being useful, she'll kill them all.

If she BREATHES, she's a THOT!

Killing people who did a good job for you is a great way to make people not help you, ever.

women ARE capable of being good, before they turn into women. pedoforce!

firing people only when they stop doing their job is a good way to make sure people will continue doing a good job.

No, she won't. I made her not to be total evil incarnate which may have been the problem. She just firmly believes those with talent have the right to exert their will over others. Also I didn't mention but her basic explanation for drafting peasants was basically something to the effect of "Why cry over the life of a peasant? They are but commoners who live off the land, having most of their work taken from nobles anyway. With these wars and drafts they have a chance to rise above their station and gain riches from pillaging the other lands. Besides, we have had a population surplus problem anyways."

As long as the party doesn't disrespect her or plan any shenangians she's willing to give them titles and such. I'm willing to give her ass to the one of the party provided he can entertain her and be interesting.

Honestly I might as well make best of the situation and introduce other villains. I don't feel like constantly trying to enforce SHE'S EVIL REBELS ARE GOOD because that's poor narrative.

Dude, you're the DM
Just have the THOT Queen royally betray them all right after they eliminated the resistance against her. Make sure she gets them while they are feasting without their weapons with crossbowmen on the balcony Game of Thrones style with poison in their meal slowing them down. Put them in a hopeless position, kill them all as the queen mocks them. Explaining that she was aware of they're pathetic desires to marry her.

They represent a threat to her authority. If they did a good job rooting out her enemies, they can undermine her as well. She might try to nip that in the bud once they've served their use.

Fair enough. I'm still of the opinion that she'd rather leverage marriage for political advantage, but if everyone's having fun, then roll with it. It's your show.

The queen is basically Bismarck-dono but less sexy due to the lack of prussian mustache. She may not be the ruler we want but she is the ruler we need. Glory to the thot queen.

Not the DM, but dude. She has a harem of hunky, powerful men competing for her favor, who are okay with her picking any one of them. That's an ideal setup for her, even a Queen wants to get properly laid now and again.

Not everyone suffers from the compulsive urge to betray. Evil can reward just as lavishly as Good.

>Provide incentive to follow a certain path
>Intend to follow through with said path
>In fact do follow through with it
>"REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE why did my players follow that path????"

Did you somehow railroad yourself? kek

Stalin also did things like that. He ended up having a heart attack. His underlings were in the very next room, and they could easily save him, but nobody lifted a finger.
We could all learn from Stalin's example.

Nah man. She marries for politics. She keeps them around for fun.

>Not using your personnal broforce of hero husbandos as a way to usurp the lesser lords titles by giving them rewards
>Not hugely increasing your personnal power through such centralization
>Not marrying THEM to the other kingdoms heirs
>"B-But user what if said heirs are males ?"
>1)Male princesses are the best princesses everyone knows that, faggot
>2)Your children will basically inherit everything in such a situation

I would find it kind of hot. I wasn’t interested in thot queen up to this point but a betrayal that good catches my interest. I would betray my party and kill them. Don’t even care if the queen wants to marry betrayal sex is the best lol.

Sounds fun desu

She keeps invading everyone under the sun with the help of her harem of awesome handsome bishounen warriors of death. The second she gets married you are guaranteed to get litterally cucked into oblivion by them or you risk a litteral treason from the harem of death itself.

They were neutral good man. Up until the point they refused helped any peasant in need and scoffed at guards who would eye them suspiciously every time they came to a new town. When old man Higgins was saying how hard it was to keep his farm-work because all but one of his sons/daughters were drafted, and a young drafted soldier was seen crying as he was sent to the front lines, they would join the rebels.

>getting swayed by pussy
>falling for the obvious lie
They deserve the backstab that will follow

>His underlings were in the very next room, and they could easily save him, but nobody lifted a finger.

No, they couldn't have. He'd told them not to disturb him and heavily implied threats if they did. This also wasn't the first time he'd disappeared for over a day. At the beginning of the Nazi invasion, he'd disappeared for days to get smashed and cry (well, maybe not cry, I made that part up - he was definitely drinking though) by himself in his room. So, they didn't necessarily know he was dead or dying, but they did know that if they entered his chambers without a damn good reason then they'd be dead or dying.

>a young drafted soldier was seen crying as he was sent to the front lines

These were indeed tears of joy as dying for the fatherland is the biggest honor there is. And old man higgins is a faggot for not realizing that he will make a shit ton of cash due to the spike in agricultural prices.

Yeah, they sound more like Lawful Neutral now.

The more I think about it, the more fun harem enforcer bro-squad sounds.

Shame they never made a second season of that anime.

>He'd told them not to disturb him and heavily implied threats if they did.
And we know it, because they told us so, right?

Because it is common basic knowledge that Stalin was paranoid as shit and would deport you for almost anything and everything as based on every fucking account of him ever by everyone ?

we know that he would have killed loyal hanchmen over a simple disturbance the same way we know he killed usefull people because they posed a threat to his authority.

>I gave my players the opportunity to become king
>now they want to become king

What did you really expect, OP?

Everytime I see that I think it's a haiku and count the first lines syllables

That's the point, he was so paranoid that he made it impossible for anyone to support him no matter how loyal they were.

The only THOT worth pursuing is when you know That Guy is totally trying to hit on the girl player by wooing her PC, so you quietly hint that the funniest way to fuck with him (once she vents to you about said That Guy) is to quietly hint at something more between your characters and make him lose his shit each time it grows more clear her PC sees him as "a good friend".

It's fucking delicious.

The last time there was a girl at our tabletop I drawed everyone character and of course she had a sexy wood elf and in the end 2 years later she tried to blackmail me to fuck me and she was one of my friend's girlfriend. Don't ever play with girls. Don't ever approach them actually.

how do you know he was paranoid? his underlings told us?

You threw pussy on the table, user.

What did you think was gonna happen?

>casually also mentions if she finds someone worthy and interesting she'd be willing to let him be king regardless of status
>suddenly, party is full law enforcer

Queen Elizabeth's entire game plan.

No OP, (You) hate women.

I don't see the problem, the only issue seems to be that you don't like that players aren't following their alignments? (fuck alignments anyway)

Although I say fuck alignments, I can understand if you don want a murderhobo campaign.

Is it that you feel the players don't have good motivation for following the queen? Talk to your fucking players.

You could also have nobles join the rebellion. If the harvests are bad, there could be famine and pestilence may follow. Perhaps a plague brought back from foreign lands. There could be growing discontent from provincial nobles that aren't seeing the benefits that the nobles in the wealthier core lands are seeing. Could be backed up by a foreign power or even invasion. One of the players is a cleric, what does the clergy think about all of this? Are there rival factions? Do any other players have links to political or economic factions with vested interests in this conflict?

You mentioned technological benefits. What technology is that?

Whats the system and setting? D&D? Homebrew setting?

Normally I don't condone this sort of thing, but you should totally reward your party's efforts with the queen choosing to hook up with either a woman or, a black guy, or the closest thing the setting has to a black guy just to crush their little beta souls for flip flopping so hard. Then when they inevitably throw their autistic tantrum and try to turn to the rebels to dethrone her have said rebels remain hostile as all fuck regardless of what they try while also having the queen find out and set a bounty on their heads for treason. Let the cunts see what their stupidity has wrought and be sure to post the story here if the reaction is good enough.

someone is bitter.

looks fine OP.

>planning for the characters to take a course of action

Horrible DM. Only plan for the actions and beliefs of NPC's instead of a series of events (Which never happens according to plan). This way you could have something going no matter what they choose and not have one side be the "Obvious choice" that you're trying to railroad them into

To have a party that up until that point seemed to be made of well adjusted and relatively normal people immediately turn around and start murdering people that are more or less begging for their lives and trying to explain the situation for a *chance* that one of them will get some ass and a royal title from a tyrannical queen is retarded. Especially when you factor in their alignments being or at least leaning towards good.

There is more than one pattern of haiku user.

Just sounds petty if you ask me. At best, the players just sigh and half-heartedly join the rebellion and everyone (including OP in a way) just feels railroaded. At worst, the players sperg out like you hope and OP loses his group in exchange for some minor schadenfreude. Either way, OP and his group suffers.

It's sort of weird, but this just doesn't come off as a "righteous divine justice from the DM" situation to me. Even though the players are pretty much doing the wrong thing for the wrong reasons, it just doesn't seem like they really deserve the fire and brimstone and cuckoldry to me. Maybe it's the civility of their bro-code approach or the relative one-dimensionality of OPs original plot.

Well, they're rebels. You can't really call foul and murder when the peasants take up arms against you.

Never try to "predict" what players are going to do, it doesn't end well

>queen sends them on a mission
>one of them has to die to fulfill the mission
>party realizes the queen doesn't care about them
Either they tear each other apart or they focus their attention on getting payback for being played. Or you could just have them follow this through to the end, your choice.

Sounds perfectly sound to me. I'd be inner service too, regardless of marriage, because I agree with all of her reasons.

Is it the rumored beta angst ?

She's sounds like a pretty good antagonist, one that you can oppose on a basis of beliefs and not because she's just cartoonishly evil. Sucks not a single one of your players has the sense to say "BEGONE, THOT".

Literally the first time I ran something was this weekend and I had a blacksmith that was just supposed to be this place to buy a weapon, but because I mentioned it was the only building made of stone in the town, my friend grilled the blacksmith about the building, went upstairs to his living area and broke his chair.
He never rolled above a 3 on all his skill checks.

It's just interesting how 'unique stone building' = 'broken chair and annoyed blacksmith'

You can when said peasants do it in retaliation to being treated like shit

Enlighten me user, what's beta about not dropping your sense of decency because some chick said she *might* bed and wed someone she finds worthy. Not you specifically mind, but someone. Or are you too enamoured with the idea of imaginary royal ass to see the issue here?

Sperging about a certainly made up OP session involving reverse harem pragmatic waifu-thot and broforce party to the point you advocate cucking the players with a nigger on a glue sniffing swazilandian blog comment section is litterally what an angsty beta would do.

My players' party is on buddy-buddy terms with the five most powerful personages of a magically and technologically advanced, totalitarian state in the Plane of Shadow.

It was blatantly obvious that the country these NPCs ruled was a nigh-parodical autocracy with heavy heapings of mass-propaganda (government-broadcast-dedicated magical screens across every inch of every town and city), mind control, secret police, and souls being bound into incorporeal undead servitors. However, I made these five NPCs cute anime girls who were friendly, quirky, and nice people to be around on a person-to-person basis.

The party is all-good-aligned.

Is this reasonable GMing? Will anything be forgiven as long as a cute anime girl (or trap) is behind it?

Or are you too enamored with the idea of administering divine justice to see how petty it would be?

As opposed to breaking the cardinal rule of not giving attention to thots? It might not be a pleasant outcome but it's definitely a realistic one. The queen in OP's story was not specific as to who she would end up with, are you really going to tell me that the salt generated by the players after having their character's efforts met with little more than a pat on the head from the queen and Tyrone/Chad wouldn't make for a good read? Is this really how far Veeky Forums has fallen?

>Is this reasonable GMing? Will anything be forgiven as long as a cute anime girl (or trap) is behind it?

Its silly but why not? I'd try to make them squeamish about the whole thing just to see if they would falter at some point.

Did they move on from the shadowfell? Or are they still in there soiling their souls with association with the wicked?

White knighting so hard it overrides your thot slayer status is also beta angst. Advocating cucking in any form is also a severe symptom of it. How far has Veeky Forums fallen indeed.

>"The things I'd do for love"

As a famous sister fucker once said.

Honestly, the players seem bizarrely civil given their circumstances. Most parties in their shoes would've almost immediately ripped each other to shreds in order to claim the prize, but these guys took a bro-code approach instead. They very well might not have a le ebin greentext-worthy sperg out like you're imagining. But you're already too infatuated with your justice cuck porn concept to consider that, aren't you?

>I'd try to make them squeamish about the whole thing just to see if they would falter at some point.

At one point, there was a very gruesome public execution wherein a traitor to the state would be eaten alive by knife and fork, bit by bit, and their pained thoughts would be telepathically broadcasted across the nation's screens.

The party convinced their NPC friends to stop this and have the traitor be mentally reprogrammed instead, which, to be fair, was something the traitor was trying (and failing) to request in the first place.

The party has been making genuine progress at instilling some empathy in these NPCs, at the very least.

>Did they move on from the shadowfell? Or are they still in there soiling their souls with association with the wicked?

They are still in the Plane of Shadow, mostly by circumstance. They are currently solving a nasty Groundhog-Day-style time loop.

>Players don't go the way you expected them to go
>You're choosing to roll with it

yer a good lad, OP

Honestly, they might just have figured "well, it IS the plane of shadow after all". Sort of like how even the smitiest paladin might dial it back a bit when he's forced to travel through the lower planes for one reason or another. Or, perhaps more relatably, like being a tourist in North Korea. It's beyond your power and being pissy is probably just going to get you killed, so you might as well be civil and try not to think too hard about what's happening around you.

What whiteknighting is taking place exactly? The characters go from relatively bro tier to dickheads because a woman more or less says she's single and fairly open to who she chooses to hook up with. Wouldn't that be infinitely more beta? Never was it established that the one she chose would be one of them so it's a very real possibility that they'd get nothing beyond the standard monetary compensation for the sudden moral shift. At this point it just feels like you're chucking out buzzwords for the sake of it.

The funny thing is that I'm less interested in them getting cucked and more interested in them realizing they were dicks to the rebels that tried explaining the situation that they were already partially aware of only to realize that the prize they sought was a hypothetical. The cucking just seems like a nice little sting to add on.

>relatively bro tier to dickheads

>"Ho no they don't want to start a transgender anarcho-communist revolution in the name of mother nature against this evil, EVIL, pragmatic leader !"
>"Better make the queen fuck a nigger with a 25inch bbc in front of them that will teach them !"

This is your brain on white-knighting. Never start, kids.

>Plane of doom and torment
>Everyone still has a gueninely nice waifu of his preference who is a nice person

It is already a miracle there are 5 good persons in the whole thing might as well try to tamper down the local evilness than just going outright retarded against it.

The Shadow is doom and gloom but NOT necessarily evil my good man.

>The cucking just seems like a nice little sting to add on

It's little touches like that that make a compelling case for you being a bitter beta.

Alright you're shitposting, got it. You could've said something sooner rather than giving me the run around you know.

I mean hey, if you genuinely think that failing to see the logic in a good aligned party and fucking up a bunch of peasants rebelling against a tyrannical ruler for the chance of ass and wanting to see the piss being taken out of them makes someone a bitter beta then that's your prerogative.

>when you actually post something so retarded that ironically showing your stupidity in greentext amounts to shitposting

I hope I had a fitting reaction image.

Honestly, I don't really understand the whole 'rebels are always right' thing. Nowadays, I'm more like "Man, fuck the peasants."

As a PC, I've hauled myself up by my bootstraps. By this axe I rule. I'm not going to help the unwashed masses, because there's nothing virtuous about them.

>I mean hey, if you genuinely think that failing to see the logic in a good aligned party and fucking up a bunch of peasants rebelling against a tyrannical ruler for the chance of ass and wanting to see the piss being taken out of them makes someone a bitter beta then that's your prerogative.

The peasants are there to be fucked up. No-one wants to help the communist revolt, it never works out. Sure, doing it for ass is a poor reason, but whatever floats your boat. Since the PCs are pretty high-level, the Queen will probably just pick one at the end.

You didn't really paint her as evil, unless there is more to her oppression than the draft and higher taxes.

What did you show/tell them to paint her as being the evil bitch queen you clearly wanted?

I don't get why this guy broke the blacksmaith's chair, though...

I never expect shit from players; a gaming group is a nonlinear system and I can only be prepared in a general sense for what will happen in play.

In any case, how do you handle alignment? Players pick alignment, play in a way that conforms to their pick?