Realistically, how are the Tyranids not going to be the winners of the Galaxy War in 40k?

Because Orks, Necrons and so can be just as much of a threat as the entire Hive Fleet.
Even Chaos might stand a chance.
Elves are fucked, but that is their whole point.
Tau is literally. insignificant

Bullshit deus ex machina.

Because bugs are for weirdos and faggots like you.

I remember them saying repeatedly years ago that orks still outnumber them because there are countless ork empires beyond the known imperial space. One theory is the thing they're running from is in fact orks.

>bringing claws to a bolter fight

Chaos.

So much Chaos fanboy in this thread, wow. How does it feel to be so into something designed for wannabe edge teenagers? Does it sting knowing you have completely shit taste?

Because GW has written themselves into such a corner with Chaos' power level that the only way anyone else wins is through some merciless canon-rape.

This, only losers play Nids, the least interesting faction in the entire game.

Eh, Necrons are on par.

Someone goes for a jaunt into the archives of Mars and finds plans for a weapon that just happens to be the perfect counter to a race that noone at the time had ever seen, obviously

Too many cooks in the kitchen, really. So many groups are at the same time attempting to enact their own endgame that directly contradicts the others, but will join up just long enough if any one faction starts to get too close to theirs.

I wish I kept that experience forgotten. I even completely ignored Andromeda coming out last year.

Except that chaos& the i draws influence from high psychic energy being such as eldar and humans. Without them it wouldn't exist.

Ergo, necrons or nids win. Every time.

How many times have we had this thread?

>Eh, Necrons are on par.

No, they are not.

Wrong. Chaos doesn't need mortals to exist. It's a multiversal scourge. In fact, the ultimate goal of Chaos is the annihilation of all life across all of creation.

The Necrons and Tyranids are finite. Chaos is infinite. Infinite beats finite each time.

Necrons

Guilliman adds the Tyranid broodmind to his growing alien harem

is everyone in the thread fucking dumb? Last time I checked, the fucking Orks are going to win everything once they "remember" all they have to do is whip out there cock and chaos "gods" will have to bend over and take its, Jesus its like you guys cant even doka in here. they fly into the warp with the idea that they will be fine if they roll up the windows and paint stars on the out side. do you guys not even understand? they think they be kangs and they be kangs.

Imperium will win because they're GW's favorite.

>Imperium will win because they're the paying customers favourite
FTFY

A shame really, that ME:A is the game that will be the final note in the Mass Effect universe. What a sour note to go out on.

>they fly into the warp with the idea that they will be fine if they roll up the windows and paint stars on the out side.

There are infinite numbers between 1 and 2 but 3 is larger than any of them.

Nope, Necrons are finite and they cannot recover what they lose.

Tyranids despite their numbers are finite. 12 galaxies worth of biomass and whatever they successfully eat and retained in the galaxy.

Chaos is infinite. They come from a real that doesn't recognise physical limits or time. Their armies are undying and they span the multiverse. What separates them from the galaxy is the crumbling walls of reality and that's ain't gonna last.

> What separates them from the galaxy is the crumbling walls of reality and that's ain't gonna last and that's ain't gonna last.
>Implying Cawl won't go full xenotech and build more pylons

>So imagine if the Imperium as a Whole wanted to crusade agaisnt nids, they would wipe them out.
Aren't the nids extragalatic? Could they really permanently destroy the nids as a species if it means going to other galaxies and killing however the fuck many there are there?

This, at least the Tau have characters the Imperial PC's can actually communicate with.

Prove that Chaos does not rely on life to exist.

The Immaterial is a mirror.

Newest daemon codex says the chaos gods wax and wane in power based on what’s going on in realspace, they most certainly are not all powerful and infinite. It even says that tzeentch saw a string of events that would lead to the downfall of the chaos gods and that’s why they intervened with the primarchs. If the Imperium at peak could defeat chaos, how could it be infinite?

>>Implying Cawl won't go full xenotech and build more pylons
YOU MUST CONSTRUCT ADDITIONAL PYLONS

Addendum, they're the paying customers favourite because they're GWs favourite

Eat shit.

>The warp is an alternative universe inhabited entirely by psychic energy generated by the thoughts, emotions and mental life of the inhabitants of the material universe including the Eldar. These thoughts and emotions cannot die, they are eternal, so that over the ages they accrue and become stronger as they are reinforced by the similar thoughts and experiences of others. Eventually, a single idea or emotion can become so powerful within the warp that it attains a consciousness of its own and becomes a daemon or a god. These daemonic entities are known as Chaos Powers. The most powerful of these are the four Great Powers Khorne the god of war, bloodshed and anger; Tzeentch the god of change, plots and intrigue; Nurgle the god of plagues and morbidity; and Slaanesh, the god of pleasure and personal gratification. Slaanesh is particularly associated with the Eldar, and only came into being with their final Fall. Prior to this time Slaanesh was growing in power but not fully conscious - rather like a sleeping monster bellowing and kicking in its dream- disturbed sleep.

-Eldar 2nd Codex

user, you do realize that GW has already kicked established canon in the teeth enough times already that a 2e citation isn't worth shit, right? Canon is whatever GW says it is, and right now Nids are getting their turn at being wanked.

>Newest daemon codex says the chaos gods wax and wane in power based on what’s going on in realspace

Wax and wane in the Great Game of Chaos and of course the Great Game is being fought in the across multiverse and not just this galaxy. All the daemons that exist, existed, and will ever exist are inside the Warp at the same time. An infinite undying army that cannot truly be stopped.

>If the Imperium at peak could defeat chaos, how could it be infinite?

By safeguarding humanity and preventing their psychic evolution from spelling the doom of all and then using the Webway to wean them off the Warp. Afterwards ward reality from the Warp. Chaos is infinite but it needs a door into reality or else they would hang impotent in the Warp.

And I reiterate, Eat shit. If you disagree with a source bring your sources. Don't bother typing that pointless garbage that you just posted. It's literal non-argument with no evidence or anything. It's just your butthurt.

>right now Nids are getting their turn at being wanked.

The same Tyranids whose Hivemind was likened to a thread before the fire of Chaos and just died in screaming agony during the birth of the Great Rift?

You delusional bitch.

>Setting is a mishmash of stuff by other writers(Tolkien, Herbert, Heinlein,, Moorcock, et al)
>Setting is tongue-in-cheek and hangs lampshades on its grimdark tropes
>Ultimately it's just an excuse for miniature armies to slaughter each other
>Neckbeards still take it seriously and argue about who would win

Why?

It's like they made me1, but did literally everything worse

Gee, Carnac, you seem awfully bootybothered about Muh Chaos. Maybe you should get some rest and some anal cream?

40K isn't tongue and cheek anymore. It evolved into serious setting and the authors really want to tell good stories that reflect on humanity and its struggle against the evil within and horrible unknowns without.

You trying to minimize is into a joke setting for miniatures is disgusting and does a great disservice to the writers and the fans.

>the authors really want to tell good stories that reflect on humanity and its struggle against the evil within and horrible unknowns without.
Ha. Hahahahahaha. If they want that, they suck at it. They write halfhearted schlock at best.
>You trying to minimize is into a joke setting for miniatures is disgusting and does a great disservice to the writers and the fans.
The writers are hacks and the fans are, well, you. Do I need to further explain how awful the setting is if that's the bedrock?

Not an argument.

Your tears are relaxing enough, degenerate.

That's like your opinion, man.

>The warp is an alternative universe inhabited entirely by psychic energy generated by the thoughts, emotions and mental life of the inhabitants of the material universe including the Eldar.
Oh, so they do need the thoughts and emotions of material beings to gain power, thanks for being a retarded faggot and BTFOing yourself. Also this exact fluff is in the new codex, with the exception of that part where thoughts and emotions cannot die. Which even in this context doesn’t mean the chaos gods can never be defeated

Sigh... even on Veeky Forums a question about xenos turns into imperials vs chaos.

Come on xeno-bros... let's go make ourselves comfortable on the bench.

Aren't the Orks already winnin'? The only way the Orks lose is if there's nothing left to fight. Including other Orks.
I bet even if the only thing remaining was one single Ork he'd have some choice words and be in the right mind for a WAAAAGH with that grot.

Blame Carnac. He's the sole reason you can't have nice threads about 40k fluff.

Nope, the text says that the Chaos Gods and their daemons are eternal and cannot die. They don't need mortals to exist just like I said. If you stop trying to "BTFO" and learn to read, then you might understand a few things, you waste of O2.

And you fucking ignored the picture that has Chaos annihilating all life and remaining eternal afterwards.

>chaos gods can never be defeated

They cannot be defeated with force. It's an objective fact.

The thread isn't about Imperials vs xenos. It's about if the Tyranids are going to win or not. Can you not read, you idiot?

Holy shit you're salty. Just because you're wrong, you don't need to be upset.

But you haven't proven I am wrong and saying "you man" is not a refutation. It's clar evidence of your inability to form an argument.

you mad*

Protip: No one gives a fuck who's right. We're just laughing at you for being an autistic fuck who can't stop wanking muh speshul faction for a single thread.

Chaos daemons don't starve. This has been established fact over the entire lifetime of the game and just because you're too big of a noob to know a basic fact of the universe doesn't mean that it's changed at any point.

>YOU GOT PROVEN WRONG
>No, I am I haven't
>NOBODY CARES WHO IS RIGHT

The absolute state of (you).

>necrons cant recover what they lose
>litterally a race that reassembles
>especially on the battlefield
>litterally space robots
>cant make more of them
uwotm8

and the other side of this coin
>realm of emotions and the raw psycik energy potential those emotions contain
>litterally live in a realm of souls
>time has no meaning to a being of pure emotion energy argument.png
>denies that said beings require energy of emotion
>denies that food source of emotions are sentients
>we dun need em
>at the end, when the stars are too far apart to see, and have burned themselves out
>when the last world grows cold, splitting asunder under the powers surrounding it
>as the last human or eldar slowly asphyxiates and starves, ending their life and the future of their species in one move
>in this final vicious moment, when the last emotion is felt, the one greatest sadness at the end of all things is felt
>after this, when there are no emotions
>when there are no more souls
this, my freind, this is when the necrons will win. when everything else is dead and gone too.

Nice to know that there's one ass blasted chaos fanboy shitting up this entire thread because someone had the audacity to say that a race the GW itself has said presents a massive threat to the galaxy.

Dude, from one person that cares too much about things to another, just let it go. Your faction already has a cool theme going for it and is the primary antagonist for like 75% of all shit going on in the 40k universe. Let races like Nids and Orks have the ability to win this setting by having sheer numbers.

Chaos doesn't need another reason to go "look at us, were so much more of a threat than you".

Do you know what you come off like when you do shit like this? You sound like that guy that always has to one-up the story that someone else told. If someone just found $5 on the ground earlier today you're the guy that found $20 and some weed in a hidden dropoff bag. If one race threatens to drown the universe due to their sheet numbers then your race's numbers of "infinite" and so much more powerful.

Honestly, it's kind of pathetic. There's a reason that people that do constant oneup-manship are constantly avoided.

Source on that hive mind thing? It ain’t dead bruv. And isn’t it supposed to be a massive psychic force?

>>cant make more of them

They cannot make more Necrons. There are only the Necrons that were created during the biotransference. Necrons being andriod bodies in which the Necrontyr poured their essences/minds in. There are no more Necrontyr and Necrons cannot reproduce and their methods of self repair is not infallible. The fluff states that should a Necron fail to phase out, then it self destructs. The destroyed Necron is forever lost to the Necrons.

Tons of tomb worlds were and are destroyed. All these trillions of Necrons are gone for good. As the fighting goes on, the metal mountain of the Necrons will be eroded to nothing.

>>time has no meaning to a being of pure emotion energy argument.png

Yes, time has no meaning for the beings of the Warp. There is no before or after. Only now and now forever. The Warp sees all, from the past and the future. They already have seen the end of the universe.

>this is when the necrons will win.

Actually, the Necrons are dying in their own way. Assuming that they survive the wars and whatever, their minds will ultimately break down into madness and hollowness. Fates worse than death.

Devastation of Baal.

The birth of the Great Rift had a wave of Chas energy crashing against the Hivemind which temporarily killed it.

"Lets ignore the lore and decent fluff discussion to pander for my ego". You are pathetic.

>Realistically, how are the Tyranids not going to be the winners of the Galaxy War in 40k?
If their numbers aren't high enough, concentrated enough or adaptable enough to be able to overwhelm the rest of the galaxies ability to defend planets & fight back. The fluff shows that Hive Fleets are consistently broken or outright annihilated when factions put enough firepower together.
40k isn't a book series that has a start, middle & finish, it's a living setting to support a wargaming franchise.
It's like asking "realistically how are the White Walkers not going to be the winners of Game Of Thrones". At this point, no-one knows if they will or won't because the author hasn't finished that story.
40k's story is never going to end with the Nids either winning or losing unless GW wants to totally destroy 40k like they did with AOS by rebooting it.

You can kill hive fleets with poisons.
As soon as nurgle decides he wants the tyranids fucked over he'll start dumping viruses and poisons on them

Any prior reading for that book? Or can I just jump right in?

Read "Dante" and then jump to "Devastation of Baal" since DoB acts as sequel to Dante.

>immortal
>more numerous than anybody
>everywhere already
>best technology
>did I mention immortal?

Yeah, they're as bad. Chaos is more boring, like CRAZY more boring ("they just can do whatever", just look at - they don't have the basic requirements to be interesting, namely any form of challenge or question of what's gonna happen) but the powerwank is comparable

>decent fluff
it might very well be the lore but it is the exact opposite of decent, it's the absolute definition of bad writing for a wargame

>more numerous than anybody

Stated to be as numrous as humanity if they fully awake. That puts them lower than daemons, Tyranids, and Orks.

>immortal

Can and have been killed off permanently by the billions. Of the big three, Necrons come off as the weaker since whatever they lose cannot be replaced.

Realistically, how are the OP not going to be the winners of the Galaxy Cocksucking Contest in IRL?

Random question Because you Seem to know your black library stuff. Is there any prior reading for dark imperium? Or does it just explain the whole gulliman being alive thing in the book

"Dark Imperium" is a good spot to get introduced to the current Dark Imperium era of 40K. It glosses over Girlyman's revival so if you want to read about it in full detail you should read GS3.

>Nurgle
Yeah, about that, Tyranids can out-toxin Nurgle himself.

Also on shadowbrink the Tyranids were adapting to every disease Nurgle threw at them. Nothing Nurgle does is going to work more than one time.

I thought they were stated to be more numerous as humanity.

But if what you're saying is true, I would classify Necrons as fine and kinda exciting then, only Chaos remains as narratively tone deaf.

Their population is the same as humanity, but each and every one of those is at least a necron warrior capable of fighting in war while the vast majority of humans are just manufactorum workers living in hive worlds. The necrons probably have as many elite troops as there are guardsmen

is not even a question of new codex, it has been stabilished on the Horus Heresy as well.

The fucking Kabal has shown Alpharius the Chaos WOULD HAVE DIED if horus heresy went unopposed, Chaos only thrives because the galaxy is in flames and that feed them emotions. if the galaxy burned out Chaos would be destroyed.
Chaos cannot outlive psych able creatures, they need emotions, aka eldar and humans, their only victory condition is breaking reality before humans and eldar go extinct. the Kabal have shown that to Alpharius and that was also the plan of the emperor, starving it and waiting for it to collapse.

which again is supported by the codex where they say Chaos was aware it was being starved if the emprah got his way with his primarchs.

not the guy you are hinting at, but honestly fuck off the thread. the chaos posters are better than you because at least they know what they talk about, kys nigg

If a serious force of Nids show and the current Hive fleets were just "scouts", then probably so.
But until the hive mind can think of a way to counter Chaos bullshittery, Heroic Deus Ex's and Necrons / anti-psykers existence they will always have a glaring weakpoint that will always be exploited after however many planets are consumed and cause the fleet to be destroyed.
Granted that universe doesn't just implode before then. Sure Tyranids have massive forces by a long shot (with likely entire other galaxies consumed) but they don't warp jump, so most of those are still in transit... and could be for a very very long time, even by 40k standards.

Because it is all part of Belakor's plan to weaken the other chaos gods so he can surpass them

>implying belakor is anywhere near the chaos gods
The newest fluff says belakor is literally a slave to the gods and fully serves their ends but he’s too retarded to realize it. Anytime he fights against the servants of one god, the rival god is just taking his turn using bellacuck as a puppet

Orkz ya git

>endless swarm requires biomass to function
>enemy with no biomass, whose weapons deny you your own biomass

>imperial victory always starts with victory in space before ground assult
>necron have faster and more powerful navy

Actually, one should read Shield of Baal campaign as well, i suppose. And "Word of the Silent King", which describe respectively a) how war to delay Tyranid arrival at Baal b) how come Blood Angels allied with Necrons for that

so basically the catholic devil

Even if biotransfered Necrons cannot be replaced if completely lost, that does not mean much
Necrons can function with their personalities erased (see: severed), and they can manufacture new shells as needed. That's probably their end - loss of everything that separates them from simple Canoptek constructs (which they also can manufacture as well)

>an in-universe faction of lying schemeing eldar said this, so it must be true!

Emps reviving, deus ex, everyone buddying up because tyranids/chaos are only unreasonable ones, whacky shenanigans where all the tyranids are directed into the warp/a black hole

found carnac

Because orks are too hard to exterminate and there been cases of them kicking nids ass. And orks are not even united, if they are, well...They are capable of nuking hive fleats with fucking attack moons

>how are the Tyranids not going to be the winners of the Galaxy War in 40k?
if only there was a race of people with no biomass to add to the tyranids while having stupidly overpowered weapons capable of exterminatusing planets whenever they want

And that's exactly why it's going to be severely weakened two years from now through the use of this superpowered weapon called retcon.
Because doing chaos as you described it has a name : writing oneself into a corner.

Except you know...there only weapon that could do it (that is not destroyed) is right now being looted by orks

Holy fuck, you're becoming more violent at every thread I see.
Hopefully one day you'll learn your lesson and stop posting here.