I play Post, and Grixis Delver is easy-peasy. If it was really tier 0 it would be common enough to drive out storm, and post would be tier 1.
David Carter
only if your poor :^)
Nolan Wright
I have lost more to leovold BUG than to grixis delver
Hudson Russell
I'm playing UW stoneblade (without wasteland) and I want to improve my 4c loam/punishing maverick matchup, what's my best sideboard option?
Aiden Ramirez
RIP turns off their Loam engine. not sure if chalice is too much of an issue to you but white has good artifact destruction options. Back to Basics seems like it would be good too. You can work off of mostly basics and they cannot. Beyond that, maybe some extra removal like Path to Exile if their creatures are causing you problems. Could try a spicy equipment option too.
Parker Jenkins
>Path >not STP baka desu famalam
Nicholas Anderson
Not really legacy but >Playing against wife >She is playing blue/green deck with lots of spells that make me return cards to hand or give cards to her >Play black/white, love playing my sheoldred but every fucking time I play it she either unsummons it or steals it from me Anyone know what I should do about this? I have a card that adds protection from blue and green but she would probably just destroy the enchantment on me.
Jack Ward
Anyone liking any cards from Rivals? Was hoping for some neat tech for fish, but none of it fits well.
Adrian Lee
>extra >removal >like >Path I'm assuming they're running 4x STP already familia. It's a stoneblade deck.
Aiden Allen
Wrong thread. It's pretty hard to answer questions about casual because no one knows the exact power level of what you're playing and the most realistic answer is probably don't play bad cards like sheoldred.
Asher Diaz
This honestly, this is the worst thread to be asking these kinda questions.
That said, God's Willing?
Ryan Scott
So I've been playing my Lich deck in xmage. For the most part, it goes a little something like this
I guess any tips for Game 3? Cause after they see me play SnT, it's pretty much a race to remove it.
Angel Thompson
Shouldn't you be thinking about how to win g1?
Sebastian Powell
I do, but that's the usual result, I guess.
Also, I'm probably
Bentley Diaz
I'm probably having a little trouble piloting.
Christopher Turner
Well don't forget that the deck is kind of bad. If I was going to play it anytime soon, I'd probably play something like this: tappedout.net/mtg-decks/lich-and-tell/
Henry Adams
I don't think Grix is Tier 0. Piloting skill has a lot to do with how the matchup goes, and I think plenty of tools are there to beat it. It's only getting easier with cards like Silent Gravestone and Blood Sun. I think it's a somewhat problematic archetype, but I don't think it's at the point that it deserves a ban the way Miracles did. Unfortunately, I haven't had much time to practice lately because I'm in the midst of a move and I don't MTGO.
On a semirelated note, what are good places for Legacy in greater NYC? I'm gonna be living on the Jersey side, so I'm wondering whether it'll take an hour and a half to get to a decent tournament.
Don't load up on high-cost threats. The reason Legacy is predominantly comprised of decks that curve out at 2–3 is that there are 25 years' worth of answers to high-powered cards, so you don't usually want to bank on them when they get answered really easily by free stuff.
Here's another way of looking at it: what took me forever to learn about control in MtG is that though control cards are probably the most potent "interactive" cards in the game, you need at least as many as your opponent has threats to actually stall someone out. So if you're playing a Sheoldred and hoping it'll win you the game, you're open to losing because it gets sniped; if you're playing 16 Bolt clones, your opponent needs to find a ton of counterspells to stop them from getting cooked. That's one reason combo is usually the weakest archetype: sure, what you're doing is better than what they're doing, but if they knock out one block, the whole Jenga tower regularly crumbles.
Monastery Mentor. Seriously, any white deck that's not TurboHatebears and isn't playing that card is doing it wrong.
I don't think the Grix matchup is too bad for Storm. It's definitely harder than any of the other Delver decks or Berserk Poison, but it doesn't play Chalice or Exhume.
Nathan Long
>Monastery Mentor. Seriously, any white deck that's not TurboHatebears and isn't playing that card is doing it wrong. pretty much this. any amount of spells takes over the game.
Xavier Diaz
Im moving to vintage. I lost all interest in the meta decks of legacy. The format could really use a new deck right now. Is there any "please build around me" cards that arent utilized yet?
Liam Roberts
Should I run surgical extraction to attack their Punishing fire/Life from the loams? Currently I run Faerie Macabre as Graveyard hate because it dodges Chancellor of the Annex and occasionally Xantid Swarm, but for Storm I usually pack 2 flusterstorm and 2 aethersworn canonist. I also run 2 back to basics Maindeck, but Abrubt Decay usually kill’s that one after a few turns. Mentor seems like a good addition, I’ll probably add 2 to the sideboard as I currently have 2 free slots in my Sideboard.
Grayson Ward
The vintage meta is definitely more stale than that of legacy. I think you're looking for Modern if you want untamed variety.
Xavier Myers
What's the theme song for your local legacy scene?
>I lost all interest in the meta decks of legacy Have fun playing one of the 6 viable vintage decks.
Easton Lewis
After some goldfishing and tweaking i actually think this list that i posted is kind of alright. Just SnT-ing in a Giselbro or ProG is is alright, and all the individual peices play nice with each other. And in a pinch you can draw a ton of cards with griseldude and draw the game with a big ol sickening dreams
Jeremiah Gonzalez
So if I lose interest in all the meta decks of legacy does it mean I cant have interest in the few vintage decks? I dont think you understood the message right.
Mason Fisher
I did a little bit last night. Took a couple mental notes on the matches, but seems a bit better than the list I've made together
Adrian Bennett
I have the opportunity of buying a BGS 9 graded Library of Alexandria in my city for €800 (or hopefully less considering they're selling online). Should I? It would be my first investment.
Julian Davis
Shit condition ones (dog bites etc) go for 450 so it doesnt sound that bad.
Andrew Price
It's all 9s. I wish it was a 10 though.
Alexander Perez
Is Tin Fins still a thing? I remember it being fun as fuck to pilot years ago
Jonathan Morris
Yes it is
Blake Nelson
What do you see as the essential "good guy" Legacy decks? For me it's something along the lines of Maverick, RUG Delver, Goblins and DnT.
Nathaniel Evans
I'd add Pox and Red Stompy to that list
Jaxson Jones
>turn 1 let's not play magic >good guy Eh, I guess.
Samuel Richardson
Any changes? I mostly play EDH and I know that Aetherflux has taken the place of Tendrils in high-tier lists, dunno if that holds true for Legacy
Owen Nguyen
>i heard you were bullying fair decks with your leovold drs 4c manabase bullshit >not so tough now, eh? Bullying the bully counts as a good thing in my book
Ayden Wright
gonna buy rishadan ports, vials and 2 caverns for DnT any other legacy decks that use ports and vials?
Bentley Thomas
Goblins my man.
Carson Howard
I think it hasn't changed much desu. There's a pretty active thread on the source. Some people have tried Magus of the Will/Mind but I don't think much came of it.
Samuel Johnson
When are they gonna ban gitaxian probe?
Lincoln Martinez
>endless salty tears from dual-lands-playing snobs >not the most righteous thing ever
Hey, Veeky Forums. I asked a question over here though I suppose I could have asked it here - what's your impression of my decks as far as relative simplicity/synergy/fun? Anything I should change out, reasonably priced of course?
Leo Thompson
Not legacy, but if you want cheap fun decks, Pauper is always a good choice.
Give me a interesting card to try to build a deck around
Colton Collins
armageddon
Eli Allen
So ideally you'd want to ramp into that spell that puts lands in the graveyard right? Here let me start your list for you.
>4 Deathrite Shaman
Levi Cook
Literally just Armageddon Stax.
Jacob Hall
what if you ramp with veteran explorer? they'll never see it coming
Aiden Watson
Anyone else that has some insight or advice to give?
Juan Bennett
so what if we... armageddon crucible of worlds eternal witness
Ethan Morgan
buttcoins
Aaron Johnson
Birthing Pod Make a memebrew with some unusual color combination like Temur
Leo Hall
My favorite modern deck is mono u timewalks. Would it be possible to brew a legacy version utilizing FoW, brainstorm and other goodies? Bear in mind that cards like Gigadrowse is a powerhouse that allows me to tap out my opponent's land on their upkeep, and replicate means the copies have to be countered individually lest you trickbind the replicate trigger.
All the free spells in this format make things like gigadrowse a lot less effective. If you werre to attempt something like this. Id start with 4x sapphire medallion and some city of traitors or something. But if all you want it a spicy mono blue deck that does lots of stuff as it goes off, check out high tide.
Ethan Torres
Mirage Mirror
Lincoln Morris
Blue/Red deck around Benthicore and Splinter Twin.
Gabriel Torres
Just play High Tide.
Austin Morris
What if miracles with brainstorm ponder and all the 2-3 birds that have etb of reordering top 3-4 cards of deck?
Julian Myers
How easy it is to make a IE/CE edition to look like a real card? Im planning to use one in cube so wouldnt they look good if just round up the corners and have them in sleeves? Only the backside is golden in some of them.
Jason Lopez
:thinking:
Aaron Brooks
It might work, but how are you going to get the mana to play blood sun and what are you going to use your mana for?
William Wood
Dont know but I think the prices for the lands will go up. EDH will surely use them
Zachary King
Indeed. R.I.P It's not just card availability that's an issue.
Jacob Sanchez
If they would only take duals away from reserved list it would be way more alive.
Henry Lee
ded thread, ded format
Jackson Hernandez
would it be a terrible idea to play DnT if I'm still pretty new to legacy seems stronger than dead guy ale which I'm currently playing. I like DGA but it's super inconsistent
Hunter Reed
Mentor is so much better in a delver shell or something that can reliably cast 3-5 spells in a turn.
Not sure your exact list, and I don't have a ton of 4c loam around here, but containment priest and prelate both shut them down a lot when played right, and can be used against a ton of other decks each.
I feel like you're planning on doing the same thing a big B cabal coffers deck would do, except you're relying on more cards to do it, with the exceptions that /maybe/ you can use more colors. Honestly, look up Train Wreck on mtgtop8 and just make a modern list of that.
Austin Adams
no, you'll just learn the format.
Jace Green
Doesn't work the way you want it to. It's a replacement effect
Henry Miller
Agree with this. Too much of a staple
Noah Powell
Sees play in CG-Post, the swiss army knife of cards there. Activates depths, copies Cloudpost, etc.
Josiah Robinson
it works, Rules Manager says so. twitter.com/EliShffrn/status/949308805313019905 614.12. Some replacement effects modify how a permanent enters the battlefield. (See rules 614.1c–d.) Such effects may come from the permanent itself if they affect only that permanent (as opposed to a general subset of permanents that includes it). They may also come from other sources. To determine which replacement effects apply and how they apply, check the characteristics of the permanent as it would exist on the battlefield, taking into account replacement effects that have already modified how it enters the battlefield (see rule 616.1), continuous effects generated by the resolution of spells or abilities that changed the permanent’s characteristics on the stack (see rule 400.7a), and continuous effects from the permanent’s own static abilities, but ignoring continuous effects from any other source that would affect it.
Caleb Perez
>It's a replacement effect Except no it's fucking not, it's a continuous effect.
Owen Nguyen
the lands have replacement effects. However (and this is actually a recent rules change) blood sun does turn off those abilities, so it does work. It's just probably not good enough.
Tyler Lopez
The card does lots of fun things, but unlike Blood Moon, it cannot end a game on its own so for 3 mana it's just not good enough. I suspect that Wizards knew this so tacked "Draw a card" onto it as compensation for being so bad.
Some of the fun stuff it does include: >City of Brass no longer damages you >Bouncelands become Sol lands >Burnwillows no longer gives your opponent life >Shocklands become dual lands
But by far the single most amusing thing that Blood Sun does: >Equip Basilisk Collar to Dryad Arbor, pass >Opponent plays Blood Sun >Dryad Arbor loses deathtouch and lifelink
Lucas Barnes
>investment
I'm not sure if its a good idea to begin investing right now. Until we see how stable WOTC is after all of their recent political "maneuvers;" as well as some terribly anti-competitive business moves, it would be prudent to be patient. Maybe this one card is fine (decent deal btw), afterwards i would stop for a little bit. See how Dominaria fares. Not being partisan, but if you know anything of the market, its that apolitical products shouldn't move towards politicization. I would recommend we wait and see if they stabilize before investing too heavily.
Joseph Wood
>But by far the single most amusing thing that Blood Sun does... Guess I'll have to reequip it then
Ryan Jackson
So its confirmed bouncelands just come in untapped for 2 mana? Into edgar it goes.
Jonathan Thomas
they're both fine decks. deadguy is a totally legitimate strategy and i think you probably just need more practice to git gud with it.
Jack Carter
Woohoo, first step
Owen Rodriguez
Rate my meme Gonna swap one island for a volcanic soon
Matthew Perez
Sideboard
Brandon Thomas
Seems fair. There's also the new speculation about Hasbro selling WotC that's bothering me. Thanks for the response.
Christian Thomas
6/10 have you considered Parfait my good fellow?
Elijah Lopez
I like permission, plus this way I can switch to miracles if the meta doesn't favour my deck
Aiden Brown
hoping for a drs and brainstorm ban so BGW nic fit is better
Carter Lopez
whats above the RiP's
Jonathan Rivera
Must be energy field
Zachary Baker
Is legacy boggles possible? I think it's there, but no one has taken the time to discover it
Ryder Thomas
we can just hope that the chinese prints get better and better in the future
Josiah Hughes
What would it do better than infect?
Gavin Bell
What's a comfy control deck?
Logan Morales
I think it protects itself better, having a better defense since it doesn't get as wrecked by some of the staple spells of the format. But it'd be pretty much a more punishment-resistant infect. Still good enough to be a deck on par with it, I think, which is reason enough for it to exist.
Austin Taylor
So all these Team Constructed events lately have me thinking about Legacy. Is Legacy Affinity a viable on-ramp to the format, or would I just be wasting my time getting stomped left and right? I've been reading up on it and I suspect that the answer is "getting stomped", but I figure it can't hurt to ask for opinions here.
Parker Torres
I think affinity isn't all that amazing, to be honest. Maybe legacy robots could be a thing, but most cards you'll use in it would be better suited for other types of deck, so idk